EPT[OSL] Ever OSL - Ro8 Week 2 - Page 140
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On December 26 2009 10:38 QuakerOats wrote: Wait what? Cancelling the hatch is basically autolose. At least there was a chance Flash could have fucked up micro and failed the bunker rush. it didnt really matter. either path jaedong chose flash would have killed him. cmon man, flash is known for his macro (although his micro is always good as well), but in a game where he barely has to worry about macro because food supplies never breach 30, he can put all that effort into micro. if JD doesnt cancel hatchery: flash's bunker goes up, everything jaedong has dies if JD does cancel hatchery: he retreats to his main, a supply depot goes up in his choke and he has to 1 gas lair to do anything... lol btw, if stork was a better PvZer, he wouldve won. its his fault for losing. top progamers know that zergs do this stuff. just look at hoejja doing his zergling hop on destination to bisu (i think he even did it twice to him in separate games). being unprepared for unusual plays is being unprepared. still, i think shine represents the part of the zerg race i hate. him, like so many other zergs that have recently popped up, seem to only be able to vP really well. if you put this guy up against light, hwasin, sea (and other good TvZ players), where would he be? look at by.hero, who is the same, able to beat top protosses over and over again, but when its time to vT... it seems like some of these zergs just put all their effort into the naturally easier matchup, and dont focus on their other one. this is why it makes it frustrating for me to see them beat the good protosses who are good in all 3 matchups. regardless, thats the name of the game, and stork brought it upon himself | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
Of course, I could be completely wrong, but that's my completely unprofessional attempt at psychoanalysis. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
"Maaaaan, yeah Flash beat JD straight-up, but he's just so boring...he does the same things over and over to win, it's just not any fun to watch...." Then after this game: "WTF FLASH YOU CHEESING NOOB FUCK I HATE YOU" Also, am I to understand that some people here believe that no matter what Jaedong did, he would have lost to 7rax? Well then I guess we'll be seeing every Terran ever 7rax on New HBR from now on, right? I mean, according to you all it's basically instant win against Zerg. Or did you mean that it's instant win if Flash does it, because he's so good? | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:00 nebffa wrote: look at by.hero, who is the same, able to beat top protosses over and over again, but when its time to vT... I know this is kind of irrelevant but... do you not remember that in the OSL where Hero knocked out Bisu he also beat Ruby, Leta, Fantasy, and Hwasin before Jaedong beat him? | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:17 Hinanawi wrote: Ahaha, Flash just can't catch a break. I remember in the last thread for Game 1: "Maaaaan, yeah Flash beat JD straight-up, but he's just so boring...he does the same things over and over to win, it's just not any fun to watch...." Then after this game: "WTF FLASH YOU CHEESING NOOB FUCK I HATE YOU" Also, am I to understand that some people here believe that no matter what Jaedong did, he would have lost to 7rax? Well then I guess we'll be seeing every Terran ever 7rax on New HBR from now on, right? I mean, according to you all it's basically instant win against Zerg. Or did you mean that it's instant win if Flash does it, because he's so good? Pretty much, Jaedong always had the most raging fangirls (along with Savior). | ||
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s4v4nt
Germany28 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:28 s4v4nt wrote: the hate and angry of all the flash haters make me like flash even more. Everyone likes an underdog | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Lol that's not an underdog, that's a villain. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
notice I didn't say one word about flash v jaedong in this whole thread the fact that he rushed gave jaedong a bigger chance than if he'd gone vanilla standard, and this isn't fan blinders talking | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:17 Hinanawi wrote: Also, am I to understand that some people here believe that no matter what Jaedong did, he would have lost to 7rax? Well then I guess we'll be seeing every Terran ever 7rax on New HBR from now on, right? I mean, according to you all it's basically instant win against Zerg. Or did you mean that it's instant win if Flash does it, because he's so good? Nobody said this... people said that after killing the overlord Flash would end up ahead, including almost guaranteed win vs 12 hatch, or at worst about even no matter what JD did (barring maybe 4pool). You can't really disagree with that. Personally I've always wondered why Terrans don't 8rax/bunker rush more often, although as a Zerg player I'm thankful. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:39 BlackMagister wrote: Lol that's not an underdog, that's a villain. I mean underdog cause Jaedong has x10 more fans | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:47 Zoler wrote: I mean underdog cause Jaedong has x10 more fans On TL maybe. Not sure about South Korea though. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:52 Kyo Yuy wrote: On TL maybe. Not sure about South Korea though. No idea. Most people here don't live in SK tho | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On December 26 2009 11:21 Rostam wrote: I know this is kind of irrelevant but... do you not remember that in the OSL where Hero knocked out Bisu he also beat Ruby, Leta, Fantasy, and Hwasin before Jaedong beat him? actually yep, vs hwasin in the Ro8 hwasin pulled off a 14cc and hero still overpowered him with great mutalisk micro. it was pretty impressive, but since then, hero hasnt really performed in the vT matchup i think. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On December 25 2009 23:50 StorkHwaiting wrote: It would give me fierce delight to see Flash wipe the FUCKING FLOOR with Shine's ugly face. qfft - quote for fucking truth! On December 25 2009 23:50 StorkHwaiting wrote: Then people can talk all they want about the intelligent, clever, aggressive, stylish, play that Shine has, since Shine is apparently this master strategist who just outplays Stork and knows the perfect moves to make. yes - a-move. XD" the difference between flash bunker rushing jd and storks loss in game 3 against shine imho was that jd could have easily prevented that loss by not going for a risky, greedy build on a cheese-prone map. stork on the other hand had to handle pretty much 3 different types of shit thrown at him at once. u cant prevent ling runby, ling backstab, cannon up ur main against mutas, prevent the choke from getting overrun by hydras AND simultaneously keep up economically with a 3 base zerg. what shine did there was intelligent, well-executed, but still game 1 and 3 against stork were the pinnacle of zvp gayness. he defeated bisu, fantasy, effort and stork, so he deserves to be where he is right now. but still, his play has been disgusting. all he did basically was exploiting early-game zvp gayness on imbalanced maps and capitalize on fanta´s and effort´s weakness. actually i even want him to beat movie, just so i can see him getting his ass raped to shreds by flash in the finals. i cant understand the crying about the fucked up matches though. sure, flash looks like the definite winner right now, but its a long time till the finals are over and his form can deteriorate until then. and both flash vs calm and movie vs shine sound like interesting semifinals to me. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On December 26 2009 12:06 Black Gun wrote: qfft - quote for fucking truth! yes - a-move. XD" the difference between flash bunker rushing jd and storks loss in game 3 against shine imho was that jd could have easily prevented that loss by not going for a risky, greedy build on a cheese-prone map. stork on the other hand had to handle pretty much 3 different types of shit thrown at him at once. u cant prevent ling runby, ling backstab, cannon up ur main against mutas, prevent the choke from getting overrun by hydras AND simultaneously keep up economically with a 3 base zerg. what shine did there was intelligent, well-executed, but still game 1 and 3 against stork were the pinnacle of zvp gayness. he defeated bisu, fantasy, effort and stork, so he deserves to be where he is right now. but still, his play has been disgusting. all he did basically was exploiting early-game zvp gayness on imbalanced maps and capitalize on fanta´s and effort´s weakness. actually i even want him to beat movie, just so i can see him getting his ass raped to shreds by flash in the finals. i cant understand the crying about the fucked up matches though. sure, flash looks like the definite winner right now, but its a long time till the finals are over and his form can deteriorate until then. and both flash vs calm and movie vs shine sound like interesting semifinals to me. lol what If 12 hatch, by far the most standard and normal ZvT build, is a "risky, greedy build" then surely Protoss FE is too? Stork wouldn't have had to worry about ling runby if he went one base, so he could also have "easily prevented that loss." | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On December 26 2009 12:20 QuakerOats wrote: lol what If 12 hatch, by far the most standard and normal ZvT build, is a "risky, greedy build" then surely Protoss FE is too? Stork wouldn't have had to worry about ling runby if he went one base, so he could also have "easily prevented that loss." using a build that will probably fall to any kind of very early aggression on a 2 player map that is quite strongly in favor of ur race when he is 1-0 ahead in the series indeed is risky play. the whole situation was absolutely calling for a cheese by flash, yet jd neither saw it coming nor had any proper response prepared. even though i can understand if his practice partners cant execute such a bo as perfectly as flash does, thats still no excuse for jd not knowing that his OL is a free kill if flash goes for any kind of early rax build. thats something he really should have known from his practice games. 12 hatch might not be risky or greedy under arbitrary circumstances, but under the circumstances given here, it was. | ||
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