EPTAs a spectator, I would prefer a tight series decided by the last game, full of pimpest plays. But I don't think that it is the progamers' responsibilities to hold back on crushing their opponents utterly to advance in the tournaments to give me those series.
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
As a spectator, I would prefer a tight series decided by the last game, full of pimpest plays. But I don't think that it is the progamers' responsibilities to hold back on crushing their opponents utterly to advance in the tournaments to give me those series. | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On December 26 2009 05:06 abascus wrote: Shine is looking to be quite a player in my opinion. His aggressive style is really fun to watch His aggressive style is effective ZvP only and to a lesser extent ZvZ. ZvZ is a coinflip with mechanics giving a bit of an edge (and Shine is no doubt good at this), but then again HyuK owned JD and EffOrt back to back, so statistics mean very little there. ZvT is where things like management and macro are really important. If Shine improves this MU, he might become something special. Until then, he's a one MU wonder, another fake-yellow finalist to be curbstomped once he reaches his weak MU (42.42%) against a superior player. I hope he will prove me wrong and give a magical run that will take Flash to the limit of his abilities, but I doubt it. After winning game 1, Shine's victory was nearly assured - if he had only a 30% chance to win each game, it was a 51% chance of victory in the series. Considering HBR's track record (overall about equal, in the past 50 games or so overwhelmingly Zerg favored) and Shine's good ZvP, I'd put him at 45%, that gave him a 70% chance of winning. I hoped Stork would overcome those odds for the sake of an epic final series, but I wasn't optimistic. I don't see Movie beating him with g1 and g5 on El Niño (a map he avoided vs. ZerO) playing against a ZvP specialist. So we can say it now - the "real" finals, just like last season, is Flash vs. Calm (instead of JD vs. Fantasy), and the Ro4 is quite dull overall - but at least it has members of each race, so it's not all bad. Flash vs. Movie is on Flash's "weakest" MU (which is the best TvP of all times, to go with his best TvZ and TvT of all times), but also Movie's by far. Ideally, if we wanted a good finals, ZerO and Stork would have made it much more interesting (if ZerO would just get into one of his hot streaks again). ... Well, at least the MSL still has a chance for an interesting finals. | ||
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mmgoose
769 Posts
my solution is, stop sucking. quit making yourself susceptible to cheese by preparing properly. jaedong got careless, he for some reason was absolutely sure flash won't make a tactical play and paid for it. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 26 2009 12:06 Black Gun wrote: stork on the other hand had to handle pretty much 3 different types of shit thrown at him at once. u cant prevent ling runby, ling backstab, cannon up ur main against mutas, prevent the choke from getting overrun by hydras AND simultaneously keep up economically with a 3 base zerg. what shine did there was intelligent, well-executed, but still game 1 and 3 against stork were the pinnacle of zvp gayness. he defeated bisu, fantasy, effort and stork, so he deserves to be where he is right now. but still, his play has been disgusting. all he did basically was exploiting early-game zvp gayness on imbalanced maps and capitalize on fanta´s and effort´s weakness. actually i even want him to beat movie, just so i can see him getting his ass raped to shreds by flash in the finals. i cant understand the crying about the fucked up matches though. sure, flash looks like the definite winner right now, but its a long time till the finals are over and his form can deteriorate until then. and both flash vs calm and movie vs shine sound like interesting semifinals to me. This is probably the most reasonable Shine hate I've seen that hasn't regressed to nerdrage. On December 26 2009 12:32 Black Gun wrote: using a build that will probably fall to any kind of very early aggression on a 2 player map that is quite strongly in favor of ur race when he is 1-0 ahead in the series indeed is risky play. the whole situation was absolutely calling for a cheese by flash, yet jd neither saw it coming nor had any proper response prepared. even though i can understand if his practice partners cant execute such a bo as perfectly as flash does, thats still no excuse for jd not knowing that his OL is a free kill if flash goes for any kind of early rax build. thats something he really should have known from his practice games. 12 hatch might not be risky or greedy under arbitrary circumstances, but under the circumstances given here, it was. Agreed. The situation entirely dictated that Flash should cheese. That Jaedong didn't prepare for such is his own fault. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
Oh well atleast Flash Advanced And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses. | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Netizen This game was almost as disappointing as the infamous 3 Bunker Rush Netizen As a Fantasy Fan, I found game 2 the most refreshing thing to watch | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
Oh god the second one hahahaa | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
On December 26 2009 13:38 MrHoon wrote: And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses. | ||
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NeVeR
1352 Posts
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Draffut
United States128 Posts
On December 25 2009 23:22 timmeh wrote: Loving all the Shine hate. Apparently he sucks so much, yet he beat the supposed much better player that is Stork. I wonder who played the better game? Stork did, 3 times. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On December 26 2009 13:38 MrHoon wrote: FUCK STORK IS OUT WTF Oh well atleast Flash Advanced And please jaedong fans, don't talk as if Jaedong never ever cheeses. Yeah but Flash almost always cheeses Jaedong in leagues at least 1 game . | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2229 Posts
No, he didn't. He may have played game that is better for your eyes, but better game is decided by result, thus shine's play was superior | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On December 26 2009 16:14 Chen wrote: I going to laugh if Flash bunker rushes Zero out of the MSL as well Zergs everywhere would shit bricks 24/7 when facing Flash. Before it was "Oh Flash can beat anyone with straight-up play, so why would he cheese? I'll 12hatch, he won't do anything cheesy since he doesn't have to..." Now it's "Oh man, I really, REALLY want to 12hatch because Flash is a macro monster and I need as much of an eco advantage as possible, but what if he bunker rushes me? | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On December 26 2009 16:20 johanes wrote: No, he didn't. He may have played game that is better for your eyes, but better game is decided by result, thus shine's play was superior so if i 4-pool a C player on ICCUP, dont control the lings at all and he does excellent micro killing all but 1 ling before barely falling short and losing, does that mean i played a "better game" because i won? Its possible to play better and lose. | ||
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remembervhs
11 Posts
Revenge for 4 pooling fantasy back-to-back in last season's osl imo. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On December 26 2009 16:30 remembervhs wrote: 8 raxx was the obvious move in a bo3 when he's up by a game. If it were fantasy or boxer, people would expect cheese. It's just because it's flash, who always plays high econ builds, that we didn't see this coming. Revenge for 4 pooling fantasy back-to-back in last season's osl imo. 4 pool followed by 9 pool. No one is insane enough to double 4-pool. btw, does anyone remember if Fantasy had a bad wall, or if Fantasy's spawn location couldn't be walled off? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 26 2009 16:20 johanes wrote: No, he didn't. He may have played game that is better for your eyes, but better game is decided by result, thus shine's play was superior Go read the post made a while back (this page or the page before), it's one of the really long ones talking about Shine vs Stork. I find it to be very true. | ||
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