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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
December 20 2009 09:02 GMT
#21
No scan... wowowowo dt all day long.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
December 20 2009 09:29 GMT
#22
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I guess I can address a couple of points:

Handicaps too weak - I guess you're right. As he didn't lose I will take the blame for not being able to weaken him. I do disagree that they had no effect at all - there are ways to exploit them - I'm thinking cloaked Wraith in the last TvT with no Scan? We could have a low-rank prerequisite but too many people just don't show up. From the 60 people who enlisted only 6 got to play. Over 50 people did not show up. It's quite sad but I can't help it and will have to resort to letting Ds in.

Commentators clusterfuck - Thanks for pointing this out, we'll definitely work on it. Our original guest caster, unfortunately, couldn't make it (bad weather killed his internet) so we had to improvise a bit. I guess it didn't go as smooth as we'd liked it to be. But yeah none of us are pro caster or anything, please don't critique that, we just try to provide some audio for a fun event

Beetlelisk, I like enforcing the TL Handicap for last game if it hasn't come up, excellent idea

People abusing chat - This made me really really sad. I'd originally wanted to turn off the chat but some LS malfunction wouldn't let me. In my experience LS chats are filled with idiots so on the one hand I reasoned go-here-on-own-risk and use zeroboy if it annoys you. There were however some very abusive people that I did try to ban but LS wouldn't let me for some reason (I'm emailing them about that). The same happened with people joining our games unwanted.
Both these things pain me enourmously. I remember the first show where about everyone in the chat room knew the game name / pw and they all stayed away and later even offered to make games etc. We don't want to have to mess about with having to keep them secret. After this though I'll have to get both an iccmod and a chat moderator (which sucks, my idea is to keep the show a small as possible so I can do it as often as possible) for next show.
Let it be know I am NOT lenient though. Incur my wrath and feel the consequences! (if LS lets me :/) I have no problem banning you from watching and I will see if actions can be taken against the abusers.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 20 2009 09:55 GMT
#23
On December 20 2009 12:41 beetlelisk wrote:
I am really looking forward to the next TL Arena do not fear to make mistakes!
If anything went bad you know what to avoid or make better next time!


My 2cents:

Chat annoyed me in 2 ways and there is, in my opinion, simple solution to this.

Those problems are: 1 - I don't know if spamming and bashing is supposed to be funny but I think there were many people who didn't got banned because Pholon and other mods wanted to avoid scrubs crying about their rights to state opinions or some other bullshit. There is 10th TL commandment that handles this situation very well and it should be applied here.

I have no idea how this works but 2 - chat spamming (or just many people chatting) makes not only video to lag (audio including caster commentating isn't altered thank god) but many, many other things lag too - switching to and from full screen, even waiting for bottom bar to appear (when I want to for examle glance at chat or change volume), doing anything in browser, browser (IE, Mozzila, Opera) crashing.
I missed the nuke entirely during the game on Longinus, only thanks to Pokebunny I know what was hit and died.


Solution would be to make 2nd stream with the 1st having chat cleared and disabled, with the only text from TLA crew member where to chat and why.
This would be a solution to something not as important too - the music.
I really can and do listen to anything from kpop to death metal but this is about free choice and NOT just about listening to or not but even volume of it - most people including me will listen to whatever you propose anyways but it doesn't hurt to make it this way.

This would kill 2 birds with 1 stone and is no problem for my, one of the lowest here, ~120 kB bandwith (I think both streams would use less than 60 or even 50).


No Siege should be auto-chosen for last game if it isn't earlier


why not just go c.zeroboy.net/pholon ?
beep boop
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 20 2009 10:30 GMT
#24
Imho let the players choose which handicap they want.

Fx they could choose no marine range and then abuse it according to their game plan (like 3 hatch muta vs no ranged marines would be fun to watch =))
In the woods, there lurks..
toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
December 20 2009 11:20 GMT
#25
woot awesome fun guys.
great game. i will definitely sign up officially for the next tl-arena.
DIE!!!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 20 2009 11:52 GMT
#26
As Pholon says they tried to turn off the LS chat. But i dont get why anyone complains about harassment in chat, LS chat is like the youtube comments of chat clients. Anyone sane ignores what people say in LS chat and just logs onto irc / iCCup and talks there, because the fucktards screwing up livestream fortunately don't know how to use irc.
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Slugbreath
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden201 Posts
December 20 2009 12:32 GMT
#27
It was an awesome event and I had a lot of fun watching it.

Also, I must say that pokebunny's commentary greatly impressed me.
WheelOfTime
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada331 Posts
December 20 2009 13:21 GMT
#28
Lame. None of the handicaps were interesting.

What happened to no siege? Now that's something I want to see in a PvT.

I guess it's impossible to win as anyone who's D+ and has mildly decent macro will just mass dragoons and form a nice arc outside T's natural and 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a when T tries to move out.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 20 2009 13:24 GMT
#29
This was great fun, tx guys.
觀過斯知仁矣.
natturner
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
342 Posts
December 20 2009 19:14 GMT
#30
nyoken actually built a comsat station in the last game, i dunno if he used it though, so he might not have broken the rule
This nigga done stole my bike.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 19:40:05
December 20 2009 19:36 GMT
#31
i apologize for any comments that were made in my name, but somebody hijacked my username and was... well... derogatory -_-

please don't think i'm a complete douchebag, even though i am a bit of one. I accept responsibility for those comments as, well, not much I can say otherwise to profess my innocence in this manner.

As for the casting itself...

the mg. team did a good job providing insights, although a lot of people were tuned off by pokebunny's voice for some reason. i think it has more to deal with the fact that people just wanted to troll (like I did, but mostly due to the fact that he bans me in channel all the time) and decided to jump on poke's voice. It wasn't at all as bad as many people said it was.

I think that, to be honest, the event was as organized as it could have been, given all the conflicts and chaos and the numerous people participating. However, the chat was a bit of a problem. Pholon if you put on procaster you could probably have banned everybody (including whoever I was) no problemo. Even though it's bad when it comes to SC, its good for banning.

Once again, thanks to all for hosting, thanks to pholon for putting up with the chat, and hope that I can be of assistance in organizing any future ones.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 20 2009 19:59 GMT
#32
Wow! I'm surprised he didn't lose.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 20 2009 21:13 GMT
#33
On December 21 2009 04:36 Caller wrote:
Even though it's bad when it comes to SC, its good for banning.


lmao
hahaha
<3 caller
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toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
December 20 2009 22:06 GMT
#34
so whens the next tl-arena guys? im down like a flat chested girl at a wet t-shirt contest.
DIE!!!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
December 20 2009 23:01 GMT
#35
I don't think the handicaps weren't crippling enough, it was just that the players just sucked so much that they couldn't properly capitalize on the handicaps -_- handicaps were difficult enough to deal w/ imo, just find some slightly better players.
Writerptrk
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 20 2009 23:09 GMT
#36
No scan? I hope TSL-ton DT rushed. Clearly it didn't work though if done...
ToN
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada245 Posts
December 21 2009 00:06 GMT
#37
haha well after no scan was chosen I really was just really nervous about playing nyoken and as I've never rushed dt before I figured I'd just try to play standard and pray I could fend off the 2 fact but alas it did not turn out to well... ^^ gg and thanks everyone for there work.
TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
December 21 2009 01:10 GMT
#38
Arena 3 was very fun to watch,though how others have stated, I felt that Arena 2's handicaps were far worse.
Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 21 2009 02:05 GMT
#39
Nyoken is a beast!
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 21 2009 04:35 GMT
#40
On December 20 2009 14:30 annYeong(o11) wrote:
beetle, I had very little lag even with all the chat happening, the problem is probably on your end.

critiques:

Pholon: there were a couple people there who were clearly only there to cause trouble and ruin other's good times. you kept saying you were going to ban them and even after repeated warnings you didn't follow through. I like your idea of having bonefide mods there next time so that you don't have to waste your time policing us and we can enjoy the game.

Commentating: I didn't mind pokebunny's voice after awhile no real complaints there, but he seemed to have a disproportionately large air time, one moment in particular stood out when he was struggling to describe Crystalized, and I kept thinking "We have the map creator commentating, why doesn't he do it." Another thing was the commentators kept stumbling over each other, trying to describe the same thing, maybe in future have two minute segments so you know who should be talking when, or just commentate more and learn when to pick up and trail off.

I was actually trying to butt in and say some more things, but it felt like Pokebunny was always talking(no offense poke lol) and I was having a hard time trying to jump in without us stumbling over eachother. That was one of my bigger issues too lol.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
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