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iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
December 07 2009 13:02 GMT
#481
On December 07 2009 12:13 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 06:35 Foucault wrote:
That hold lurker by Jaedong was pretty lame and game deciding


There's nothing lame about hold lurkers.


Agreed, in fact I find it awesome.
Xellos <3
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 07 2009 13:09 GMT
#482
stop lurkers are one of the best things to watch in starcraft wtf are u all on.

watch this



<3
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17432 Posts
December 07 2009 13:25 GMT
#483
On December 07 2009 11:38 Xiphos wrote:
Guys come on do we really have to 'hate' on player or something.


I do hate Flash and Effort. It can't be helped.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
December 07 2009 17:59 GMT
#484
On December 07 2009 18:23 cokencheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 17:55 Elroi wrote:
On December 07 2009 13:11 cokencheese wrote:
I'm just glad Fantasy lost.

For a dude who has won nothing but silvers he is even more arrogant than Bisu.



I really don't get that for two reasons. 1. In the pro interviews every one here whines of one out of two things: either the Koreans are very humbel and just gives generic responses. Then most people think they boring. Or they give some kind of personal respons and say what they acctually think/ hope about their performance. Then people think they are arrogant. wtf?

2. Why is everyone hating on Fantasy? As a JD fan and a zerg fan i should have lots of reasons to hate him, but the truth is that he is one of the most interesting players to watch. And I think that everyone that knows something about the game got to agree with me here.


Sure, he's had some considerable success, but what irks me is that he seems to have let his own hype get in his head. In interviews he talks about fully expecting to win entire leagues and then dropping out in "unexpected places" (like Jaedong, Bisu, Stork = all of whom he isn't exactly the favorite against), and says things like "I will teach Stork to get intimidated by me" in All-Stars. Fantasy is good and entertaining, but he isn't really qualified to talk shit yet. If Bisu is getting arrogant, it's fine considering how much success he's had (though he shouldn't let himself lose because of it). If a guy like Fantasy who doesn't even have a 60% win rate goes around thinking that he's the shit, then that's a bit different (and I also happen to think that it's affecting his recent performance).

EDIT: Aso, IMO.

I like watching Fantasy play, and I don't take his position as Boxer-Oov's apprentice against him, but he is still very inconsistent and he shouldn't think of himself too highly as of yet. Also, I would like to mention that I could't recall a single impressive Fantasy interview.



The only one player that I really hate for that reason is FBH. It's not like some one will find Fantasy's trash talk offensive. It's just a show. You just take any excuse to not like him
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
December 07 2009 18:32 GMT
#485
lol this ahs became a metaphysics talk...
on that subject the only player i hate is FBH, but i dont find any plasure seeing him lose, also he is in one of my favorite teams..
Stork FAN!!!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 07 2009 18:50 GMT
#486
On December 08 2009 02:59 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 18:23 cokencheese wrote:
On December 07 2009 17:55 Elroi wrote:
On December 07 2009 13:11 cokencheese wrote:
I'm just glad Fantasy lost.

For a dude who has won nothing but silvers he is even more arrogant than Bisu.



I really don't get that for two reasons. 1. In the pro interviews every one here whines of one out of two things: either the Koreans are very humbel and just gives generic responses. Then most people think they boring. Or they give some kind of personal respons and say what they acctually think/ hope about their performance. Then people think they are arrogant. wtf?

2. Why is everyone hating on Fantasy? As a JD fan and a zerg fan i should have lots of reasons to hate him, but the truth is that he is one of the most interesting players to watch. And I think that everyone that knows something about the game got to agree with me here.


Sure, he's had some considerable success, but what irks me is that he seems to have let his own hype get in his head. In interviews he talks about fully expecting to win entire leagues and then dropping out in "unexpected places" (like Jaedong, Bisu, Stork = all of whom he isn't exactly the favorite against), and says things like "I will teach Stork to get intimidated by me" in All-Stars. Fantasy is good and entertaining, but he isn't really qualified to talk shit yet. If Bisu is getting arrogant, it's fine considering how much success he's had (though he shouldn't let himself lose because of it). If a guy like Fantasy who doesn't even have a 60% win rate goes around thinking that he's the shit, then that's a bit different (and I also happen to think that it's affecting his recent performance).

EDIT: Aso, IMO.

I like watching Fantasy play, and I don't take his position as Boxer-Oov's apprentice against him, but he is still very inconsistent and he shouldn't think of himself too highly as of yet. Also, I would like to mention that I could't recall a single impressive Fantasy interview.



The only one player that I really hate for that reason is FBH. It's not like some one will find Fantasy's trash talk offensive. It's just a show. You just take any excuse to not like him

And FBH's ceremonies and shit aren't just a show?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
December 07 2009 19:00 GMT
#487
I'd rather have a guy that speaks his mind and is an asshole. Than some hypocrite that boasts just 'for the fun of it'.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
December 07 2009 19:38 GMT
#488
On December 08 2009 04:00 Cloud wrote:
I'd rather have a guy that speaks his mind and is an asshole. Than some hypocrite that boasts just 'for the fun of it'.


I think its pretty ridiculous all the small things people get worked over. go.go builds a CC next to someone's base, FBH humps some air, a zerg does some CC infesting, and then some people go nuts with rage. WTF is the big deal??? That is something I will never understand. The only used argument I hear is that its really BM. It's not, maybe a tiny bit, but really?????? I want someone to explain to me how a manner hatch or CC is rude in words.

You know you are way to into this when you feel anger and hate over some in game BM or ceremonies.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 19:48:14
December 07 2009 19:44 GMT
#489
On December 07 2009 18:45 cokencheese wrote:
I enjoy talking shit and being a windbag too, but I manage not to get misunderstood even by people who hardly know me. It's actually a huge part of my charms too, I make a lot of friends by knowing how to be pleasantly arrogant in person.

I understand that what you are saying about Fantasy could very well be true. If it is, then he should probably try to project his intentions better, from what I can see. It's quite obvious that he isn't a very popular pro-gamer.

You're reading a translation of a transcription of an interview. Sure, when you're TALKING to people who hardly know you, they don't think you're being arrogant, but how do you know that if someone wrote down what you said, and then translated it to Korean, that a random Korean person reading it wouldn't think you're arrogant?

Quite frankly, I'd trust the opinion of someone who can actually understand the straight Korean (not just the words being said, but also the nuances of how its being said) more than an interview that's lost it twice over. And I don't see any of the translation crew stepping in to talk about Bisu's arrogance.
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Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
December 07 2009 20:22 GMT
#490
I'm SKT fan and I like Canata (see my sig) but good game is a good game. JD vs Canata has 2 great moments, watch this game.
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 20:35:40
December 07 2009 20:35 GMT
#491
On December 07 2009 22:25 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 11:38 Xiphos wrote:
Guys come on do we really have to 'hate' on player or something.


I do hate Flash and Effort. It can't be helped.

how can you love the game (i assume you do) but hate the best terran player?
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
December 07 2009 20:46 GMT
#492
On December 08 2009 05:35 dibbaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 22:25 Manit0u wrote:
On December 07 2009 11:38 Xiphos wrote:
Guys come on do we really have to 'hate' on player or something.


I do hate Flash and Effort. It can't be helped.

how can you love the game (i assume you do) but hate the best terran player?

How can you love the game but hate the best Protoss player?
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-07 20:53:26
December 07 2009 20:52 GMT
#493
edit : nvm.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
December 07 2009 21:06 GMT
#494
On December 08 2009 05:35 dibbaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 22:25 Manit0u wrote:
On December 07 2009 11:38 Xiphos wrote:
Guys come on do we really have to 'hate' on player or something.


I do hate Flash and Effort. It can't be helped.

how can you love the game (i assume you do) but hate the best terran player?


Edited for truth.
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 07 2009 22:03 GMT
#495
On December 07 2009 08:34 BanZu wrote:It's nerdrage when we defend ourselves?

Lmao, nice double standard. I'm pretty sure everyone "nerdrages" when their team loses.


No they don't. Not like this.

This is glorious ^_______^
The original Bogus fan.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 07 2009 22:44 GMT
#496
Yeah, when SKT T1 loses, their fans aren't used to any trashtalking. ^^
Jaedong
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 07 2009 22:50 GMT
#497
On December 08 2009 07:03 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 08:34 BanZu wrote:It's nerdrage when we defend ourselves?

Lmao, nice double standard. I'm pretty sure everyone "nerdrages" when their team loses.


No they don't. Not like this.

This is glorious ^_______^


On December 08 2009 07:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, when SKT T1 loses, their fans aren't used to any trashtalking. ^^


You do realize that the only reason why there's "nerdrage" in every SKT thread is because of all the BS that other fans bring up right?

We're not the only ones to blame, which is why I asked "It's nerdrage when we defend ourselves?".
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 07 2009 23:03 GMT
#498
This all started because TheYango asked why people hate programers, he cannot comprehend this because it has not affected him enough because SKT usually rape shit up. I'm referencing the very existence of your debate, not its contents.
Jaedong
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 07 2009 23:04 GMT
#499
Look, not all SKT fans are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. But even a cursory tour of the LR thread for the last Proleague grand finals proves that there are enough of them who are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic for them to gain a reputation, however unjust it may seem to you, as being insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. So either you keep complaining and make the image of T1 fans look even worse, or you just man up and accept that a certain degree of gloating comes with a decisive defeat of a team as talented, respected, and dripping with arrogance as SKT1. You know, "taking one for the team."
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
December 07 2009 23:30 GMT
#500
On December 08 2009 08:04 EvoChamber wrote:
Look, not all SKT fans are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. But even a cursory tour of the LR thread for the last Proleague grand finals proves that there are enough of them who are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic for them to gain a reputation, however unjust it may seem to you, as being insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. So either you keep complaining and make the image of T1 fans look even worse, or you just man up and accept that a certain degree of gloating comes with a decisive defeat of a team as talented, respected, and dripping with arrogance as SKT1. You know, "taking one for the team."

Did you see the stuff Oz fans were saying after Jaedong's match with Effort in the Oz vs. CJ playoff thread?

Every team has its haters and trash talkers. Don't chalk it up to just SKT1 fans, because there are haters in every single team. I can name a few TL members off the top of my head who have Oz tags who troll and flame other users on a regular basis.
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