EPT[SPL] Hwaseung Oz vs SK Telecom T1 - Page 26
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: This all started because TheYango asked why people hate programers, he cannot comprehend this because it has not affected him enough because SKT usually rape shit up. I'm referencing the very existence of your debate, not its contents. Uh... wait... is it wrong of him to ask something like that? Every person is going to feel differently about various things. TheYango was asking an earnest question because he, personally, couldn't understand why people felt a certain way. Like right now, I really can't comprehend why his question seemed to rub off the wrong way for the other people in this thread. Would it be wrong for me to ask why that happened? What's wrong with an earnest question? | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:04 EvoChamber wrote: Look, not all SKT fans are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. But even a cursory tour of the LR thread for the last Proleague grand finals proves that there are enough of them who are insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic for them to gain a reputation, however unjust it may seem to you, as being insolent, snide, thin-skinned, and idiotic. So either you keep complaining and make the image of T1 fans look even worse, or you just man up and accept that a certain degree of gloating comes with a decisive defeat of a team as talented, respected, and dripping with arrogance as SKT1. You know, "taking one for the team." Well, the only reason I began posting was because many anti-SKT people posted completely skewed and unreasonably biased posts. Not really so much because of the hatred. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On December 08 2009 08:40 Avidkeystamper wrote: ...and thus there are people to love to see Oz lose. We can accept that. Why can't you? I love to see CJ and MBCgame lose, but I don't rub it all over their faces when they do. I find it's in poor taste to do so- but this being the internet, you can usually expect someone to do so. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
for Banzu On December 06 2009 14:09 d_so wrote: i love watching skt lose KT fan. On December 06 2009 14:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Bwahahahahaha owned SKT1, die scum! STX fan. On December 06 2009 14:10 alffla wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOL SKT1 CJ fan. On December 06 2009 14:12 Slow Motion wrote: SKT1 are like the Yankees of starcraft, everyone that's not a T1 fan is so happy right now Wemade fan. On December 06 2009 14:24 Holgerius wrote: All games should be recommended IMO. Watching SKT players lose is a treat.  Khan fan. On December 06 2009 14:38 Gumbo wrote: Hahahahaahahahahahaha, I love when SKT1 get 3-0ed and even MORE when its from my favorite team! Oz fan. On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote: I love bisu fans crying. Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player. I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend. (oystein I still love you) Oz fan. On December 06 2009 15:09 Kyuukyuu wrote: Who said they deserve to lose? We just like to see them do it. Logic does not factor into this at all CJ fan. On December 06 2009 16:21 samachking wrote: So when I lose faith completely in Oz + Khan(my 2 favorite teams) in FPL they start raping shit up. Who cares about FPL anyway? FUCK YEAH OZ RAPING 3-0d die SKT Khan fan. On December 06 2009 16:59 TwoToneTerran wrote: Because SKT is the New York Yankees of progaming, proving that the longest standing and best funded team gets you further than anything else. People LOVE watching the Yankees lose. They just don't do it a lot. KT fan. On December 06 2009 16:59 Julmust wrote: You wanna know WHY people react that way Ecrilon? Cause SKT fans are the funniest when they get butthurt, seriously if you succuessfully manage to troll a SKT fan they'll cry harder and longer then anyone else. And yes, I do love the fact that SKT lost simply 'cause I don't like the team. I AM ENJOYING THIS! MBC fan. On December 06 2009 23:40 Jackal03 wrote: i have nothing against bisu, the real player of skt that i really don't like is canata (he's so boring...). but i find it funny when skt loses because of the nerd rage that happens CJ fan. On December 07 2009 00:00 Holgerius wrote: This thread is pretty lame now; in one corner we have a malicious group of smug haters (including myself) and in the other we have some butthurt fanboys who whine about how unfair the hate is. + Show Spoiler + I'm loving it!  Khan fan. So basically we have a coalition of the illing. Okay. Starcraft is a game. In a game, there are winners and there are losers. Someone winning necessary implies someone had to lose. You are emotionally attached to the success of player X or team Y for...whatever reasons. You like it when X or Y wins and you dislike it when X or Y loses. Your appreciation of the game is necessarily biased, skewed, whatever, because that's what cheering is ABOUT. SKT T1 wins a lot of proleague matches. Several players on SKT T1 win a lot of individual league games. For every win they earn, another team or player has to lose. If people cheer for the team or player that loses, then it's not exactly a leap across the Grand Canyon for them to dislike SKT T1 and/or SKT T1 players, since SKT's wins are necessarily their favorite team/player's losses. The more a team wins, the more dislike they receive from fans of other teams. This may not be "reasonable" (what the hell does that mean when it comes to cheering), but it is natural. Questioning its presence is like questioning the presence of tides or constellations: it's pointless and it's inadvertently funny to everyone else but you. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 08 2009 09:22 EvoChamber wrote: Greatest Hates for Banzu KT fan. STX fan. CJ fan. Wemade fan. Khan fan. Oz fan. Oz fan. CJ fan. Khan fan. KT fan. MBC fan. CJ fan. Khan fan. So basically we have a coalition of the illing. Okay. Starcraft is a game. In a game, there are winners and there are losers. Someone winning necessary implies someone had to lose. You are emotionally attached to the success of player X or team Y for...whatever reasons. You like it when X or Y wins and you dislike it when X or Y loses. Your appreciation of the game is necessarily biased, skewed, whatever, because that's what cheering is ABOUT. SKT T1 wins a lot of proleague matches. Several players on SKT T1 win a lot of individual league games. For every win they earn, another team or player has to lose. If people cheer for the team or player that loses, then it's not exactly a leap across the Grand Canyon for them to dislike SKT T1 and/or SKT T1 players, since SKT's wins are necessarily their favorite team/player's losses. The more a team wins, the more dislike they receive from fans of other teams. This may not be "reasonable" (what the hell does that mean when it comes to cheering), but it is natural. Questioning its presence is like questioning the presence of tides or constellations: it's pointless and it's inadvertently funny to everyone else but you. Sorry, but, what I posted was just asking what's wrong with TheYango asking his question (which just needed some answers, not flaming against him). I wasn't asking the same question. EDIT: Just to clarify, it's expected that people would say some smack talk after the games but that's not what I have a problem with. It's when certain people keep bringing up stuff like Bisu being arrogant and constantly "bitching" about maps that pisses me off. It's like they can literally read any reply regarding maps from Bisu, no matter how humble or arrogant, and still interpret it as complaining when clearly they're the only ones seeing it that way (and not in a reasonable way either). | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
And yes, Bisu complains about maps. Don't try to deny it. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 08 2009 09:29 EvoChamber wrote: Nothing's wrong with asking a question, but nothing states that you'll find the answers agreeable. He didn't find the answers agreeable and was somewhat nonplussed. To like a player is to dislike the players who stand between that player and victory. End of story. And yes, Bisu complains about maps. Don't try to deny it. Yes, that's the problem, you think that you're so right. Why is it that every time I read his interviews I don't see squat about complaining? Obviously I'm going to be biased and you're going to be biased but in some interview threads for SKT it just goes way too far. With no indication of complaining from Bisu, some idiot said that Bisu was bitching about maps again. EDIT: Hm... I went back to check his replies but he didn't seem all that nonplussed to me. :/ | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On December 08 2009 09:22 EvoChamber wrote: So basically we have a coalition of the illing. Okay. Starcraft is a game. In a game, there are winners and there are losers. Someone winning necessary implies someone had to lose. add hite fan ;d i simply like seeing skt lose because of how overrated everyone in skt is, except for BeSt and Bisu | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 08 2009 09:29 EvoChamber wrote: Nothing's wrong with asking a question, but nothing states that you'll find the answers agreeable. He didn't find the answers agreeable and was somewhat nonplussed. To like a player is to dislike the players who stand between that player and victory. End of story. And yes, Bisu complains about maps. Don't try to deny it. Again, I think that it's a load of horseshit. Liking a progamer doesn't mean you have to hate their rivals. I like watching Bisu play, but that doesn't mean I hold any ill will for Jaedong or Flash. I don't hate the mediocre progamers that eliminated Bisu from individual leagues--I like Guemchi's play and I think Shine has a lot of promise. While I'm sure not every Bisu fan shares these opinions, I'm sure there are plenty who do (and by the same token there are plenty of reasonable fans of other players and teams). I don't think hate is required, and to pretend so is silly. I guess I was just curious why there needs to be hate at all. Hating players is in no way required to enjoy professional Starcraft, and I think it's pretty stupid to say that it increases your enjoyment to hate players (at the very least, hate is a very silly and base way to find enjoyment). I think I got my answer in a sense. Thanks to those who indulged my curiousity, and sorry for whatever flame war I incited. On December 08 2009 09:45 saltywet wrote: i simply like seeing skt lose because of how overrated everyone in skt is, except for BeSt and Bisu Wait, what? The only player on SKT that's even arguably overrated is Fantasy. Even SKT fans think Hyuk is terrible (any "Hyuk bonjwa!" comments are pretty obviously joking). Canata is boring to everyone, and even some SKT fans groan when he's in the lineup (especially in TvT). And...Boxer? Well, it's Boxer. Some respect to old progamers is due (its not like you see any less hype for Yellow or Reach). | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
I would like to thank all my friends who supported me and helped me achieve this victory. Also a special thank you to my family whose faith in me was a huge help. And a shoutout to all my fans out there; I would never be where I am now without you. I hope I will be able to continue on this path and make more great hates in the future. God bless America! Peace out! | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
I hate you, you hate me. We all love each other in the end. So can we just let this die? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Oz vs SKT is quite a rivalry. But ya, this thread should rest in peace now. | ||
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ProbeSaturation
Canada292 Posts
Bisu is the player who is worth the most, and is worth investing in the most. If progamers were girls, Bisu would be the hottest on the market. Jaedong is like the girl who puts out alot. HAHAHA Bisu also gets paid more so, he wins! | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
On December 08 2009 11:41 ProbeSaturation wrote: Bisu makes more money than jaedong, flash and whoever other progamers you guys fanboy for. Bisu is the player who is worth the most, and is worth investing in the most. If progamers were girls, Bisu would be the hottest on the market. Jaedong is like the girl who puts out alot. HAHAHA Bisu also gets paid more so, he wins! So you are saying Bisu has a job on the side? | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
On December 08 2009 11:41 ProbeSaturation wrote: Bisu makes more money than jaedong, flash and whoever other progamers you guys fanboy for. Bisu is the player who is worth the most, and is worth investing in the most. If progamers were girls, Bisu would be the hottest on the market. Jaedong is like the girl who puts out alot. HAHAHA Bisu also gets paid more so, he wins! hmmmm, you remind me of a thread of progamers being the guys in porn films..... that was awesome | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 08 2009 10:31 Holgerius wrote: Yay, I made it into the Greatest Hates! I am thrilled at having my dream turned into reality. Although there were many hardships along the way, since I never thought of giving up and since I had an enjoyable time, I was able to obtain my goal. Most people thought that I wouldn't make it and even I thought that I would have to practice very hard just to make the probability a 50/50 chance. I gave it my best and thankfully it was enough! I would like to thank all my friends who supported me and helped me achieve this victory. Also a special thank you to my family whose faith in me was a huge help. And a shoutout to all my fans out there; I would never be where I am now without you. I hope I will be able to continue on this path and make more great hates in the future. God bless America! Peace out! Hold up, hold up... This reminds me of another post. Was that you too lol | ||
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cosiant
Canada616 Posts
Though it is still funny how even if he didn't play, people still bash him. | ||
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