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ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 08 2009 04:10 GMT
#521
People bash Bisu because he is better than their favourite player in talent, skill and overall accomplishment. Plus he plays the weakest race, which makes him even more awesome.





Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 04:15:23
December 08 2009 04:13 GMT
#522
And remember, the more hate your favorite team gets, the more fun it is when you gloat after they beat a hater's team.

Edit: This thread is so entertaining starting on page 15.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 08 2009 04:22 GMT
#523
On December 08 2009 12:41 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 10:31 Holgerius wrote:
Yay, I made it into the Greatest Hates! I am thrilled at having my dream turned into reality. Although there were many hardships along the way, since I never thought of giving up and since I had an enjoyable time, I was able to obtain my goal. Most people thought that I wouldn't make it and even I thought that I would have to practice very hard just to make the probability a 50/50 chance. I gave it my best and thankfully it was enough!

I would like to thank all my friends who supported me and helped me achieve this victory. Also a special thank you to my family whose faith in me was a huge help. And a shoutout to all my fans out there; I would never be where I am now without you. I hope I will be able to continue on this path and make more great hates in the future.

God bless America! Peace out!

Hold up, hold up...

This reminds me of another post.

Was that you too lol

Yes indeed. Copy+paste is a very useful talent toi have.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 08 2009 04:27 GMT
#524
Personally I like a bit of rivalry and back and forthing in sports. SKT fans are oversensitive. When we say we hate your team it doesn't mean we really hate your team so no need to get so upset.
It just means we like seeing your team lose. And, even more, we like seeing your team lose badly.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 04:32:31
December 08 2009 04:31 GMT
#525
EDIT: Double post
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 04:33:03
December 08 2009 04:32 GMT
#526
On December 08 2009 13:27 tomatriedes wrote:
Personally I like a bit of rivalry and back and forthing in sports. SKT fans are oversensitive. When we say we hate your team it doesn't mean we really hate your team so no need to get so upset.
It just means we like seeing your team lose. And, even more, we like seeing your team lose badly.

The feeling isn't reciprocated. I feel no joy from seeing Oz lose to some team other than SKT1, while it's fairly clear that fans of every other team have chimed in expressing their enjoyment of SKT1's loss, which is what sparked my original line of questioning to begin with (Oz fans being happy is obvious and expected--the curious thing was how everyone else also derived enjoyment from SKT's loss).
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 08 2009 04:32 GMT
#527
On December 08 2009 13:27 tomatriedes wrote:
Personally I like a bit of rivalry and back and forthing in sports. SKT fans are oversensitive. When we say we hate your team it doesn't mean we really hate your team so no need to get so upset.
It just means we like seeing your team lose. And, even more, we like seeing your team lose badly.

QFT.

I don't think any other team's fanboys would've argued about how unfair the ''hate'' is for 10 pages. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 04:54:42
December 08 2009 04:34 GMT
#528
On December 08 2009 13:32 Holgerius wrote:
I don't think any other team's fanboys would've argued about how unfair the ''hate'' is for 10 pages. XD

I never made any claims about it being unfair. I was just curious about it's motivations, given that SKT hate seems to span almost every other team. I find certain motivations unfair (e.g "I hate on a team because schadenfreude is fun" is a pretty lame reason to hate a team), but I'm not specifically making any judgments about the hate as a whole.

I was curious if there was some legitimate reason to hate a team or player (in general, not just T1 or Bisu in particular). I got that there was none. Most of the reasons people gave for it over 10 pages were either misinformation, questionable hunches, or plain idiocy.

A small list:
- Bisu/SKT fans are extra whiny, have more bandwagoners, and more idiots (I actually think this is the most legitimate reason to hate on SKT, mostly because it's actually true; of course, idiot fans still don't make a good reason to hate a team, it's just a good reason to hate/troll the fans)
- Map imba comments/arrogance/etc. (a transcription of a translation loses certain things, so its very questionable if he's actually arrogant, or just terrible at speaking/dealing with people--and I can't really hold the latter against him)
- Hating people increases your enjoyment (bullshit; even if it's true, it's still lame--I don't think it has ever been considered socially upright to take pleasure at the misfortune of others)
- You have to hate the people that beat your favorite team/player (bullshit)
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 08 2009 04:37 GMT
#529
On December 08 2009 13:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 13:27 tomatriedes wrote:
Personally I like a bit of rivalry and back and forthing in sports. SKT fans are oversensitive. When we say we hate your team it doesn't mean we really hate your team so no need to get so upset.
It just means we like seeing your team lose. And, even more, we like seeing your team lose badly.

The feeling isn't reciprocated. I feel no joy from seeing Oz lose to some team other than SKT1, while it's fairly clear that fans of every other team have chimed in expressing their enjoyment of SKT1's loss, which is what sparked my original line of questioning to begin with (Oz fans being happy is obvious and expected--the curious thing was how everyone else also derived enjoyment from SKT's loss).

Because T1 tears are so sweet and delicious, plus I heard that if you bathe in the blood of a T1 virgin (redundant), you stay young forever.
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 08 2009 04:50 GMT
#530
SKT is so good that when the lose it's like "whoooaaa fuck, how did they lose, must vent and push thread to 50 pages!"

But when a team like OZ *pukes* loses it's like "mehh, who cares about OZ...end thread @ 11 pages, no one gives a shit"

SKT are the yankees of e-sports.
OZ are the Milwaukee brewers..like who gives a shit
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 08 2009 04:53 GMT
#531
On December 08 2009 13:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 13:32 Holgerius wrote:
I don't think any other team's fanboys would've argued about how unfair the ''hate'' is for 10 pages. XD

I never made any claims about it being unfair. I was just curious about it's motivations, given that SKT hate seems to span almost every other team. I find certain motivations unfair (e.g "I hate on a team because schadenfreude is fun" is a pretty lame reason to hate a team), but I'm not specifically making any judgments about the hate as a whole.

I was curious if there was some legitimate reason to hate a team or player (in general, not just T1 or Bisu in particular). I got that there was none. Most of the reasons people gave for it over 10 pages were either misinformation, questionable hunches, or plain idiocy.

How can you not see why people hate SKT? They're the greatest and most dominant team in the history of E-sports (and they are reigning champions). Nuff said.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 04:59:45
December 08 2009 04:56 GMT
#532
On December 08 2009 13:53 Holgerius wrote:
How can you not see why people hate SKT? They're the greatest and most dominant team in the history of E-sports (and they are reigning champions). Nuff said.

Precisely. "I hate them because they win" is plain idiocy, like I said.

There are enough people in this world that have actually done wrong and depraved things for you to hate that it's silly to waste time hating people have done nothing wrong. Why waste time hating a group of people that you will never meet, that have, at least on superficial inspection, done nothing wrong, and that make their living playing a video game you happen to watch? It's stupid, petty, and pointless. At least Red Sox fans who hate the Yankees might conceivably meet them some day.
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cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
December 08 2009 05:07 GMT
#533
On December 08 2009 13:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 13:32 Holgerius wrote:
I don't think any other team's fanboys would've argued about how unfair the ''hate'' is for 10 pages. XD

I never made any claims about it being unfair. I was just curious about it's motivations, given that SKT hate seems to span almost every other team. I find certain motivations unfair (e.g "I hate on a team because schadenfreude is fun" is a pretty lame reason to hate a team), but I'm not specifically making any judgments about the hate as a whole.

I was curious if there was some legitimate reason to hate a team or player (in general, not just T1 or Bisu in particular). I got that there was none. Most of the reasons people gave for it over 10 pages were either misinformation, questionable hunches, or plain idiocy.


I'm sorry nobody understands SKT and its players more than you do. Now please leave the anti-fans to their misinformation, questionable hunches, or plain idiocy.

Seriously, nobody "legitimately hates" SKT or its players. Some people just like seeing them lose. Partly because seeing them lose shows that there is legitimate competition and also partly because their popularity always guarantees entertaining shitstorms.

I don't even have to explain this. If you're looking for something along the likes of "Fantasy raped my sister" as a legitimate reason to be an anti-fan, you're stupid.



Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 05:11:13
December 08 2009 05:10 GMT
#534
As tomatriedes and cokencheese said, I really doubt anyone really ''hates'' SKT and it's players in that sense. What you must realize is that envy (which is the trigger to the ''hate'' ) is a very basic part of human nature.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 05:19:41
December 08 2009 05:14 GMT
#535
On December 08 2009 14:07 cokencheese wrote:
Seriously, nobody "legitimately hates" SKT or its players. Some people just like seeing them lose. Partly because seeing them lose shows that there is legitimate competition and also partly because their popularity always guarantees entertaining shitstorms.

I don't even have to explain this. If you're looking for something along the likes of "Fantasy raped my sister" as a legitimate reason to be an anti-fan, you're stupid.

1) Enjoying seeing a team lose is still schadenfreude, any way you slice it. Just because it's a bunch of people you don't know in a country thousands of miles away doesn't make it any more socially acceptable. Which of course, is fine, so long as you don't treat that behavior as in any way defensible.

2) Like I said, the shitstorms are the most legitimate reason I can see for wanting to see SKT lose. I'm fine with that as a reason. It's just some of the bullshit that people come up with to support liking see a team lose is retarded.

On December 08 2009 14:10 Holgerius wrote:
As tomatriedes and cokencheese said, I really doubt anyone really ''hates'' SKT and it's players in that sense. What you must realize is that envy (which is the trigger to the ''hate'' ) is a very basic part of human nature.

So because it's part of human nature, it's socially acceptable?

I can see that causing a lot of problems if applied to society as a whole.
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ImGoNNaLoSeNoW
Profile Joined July 2009
Finland61 Posts
December 08 2009 05:17 GMT
#536
On December 08 2009 13:10 ProbeSaturation wrote:
People bash Bisu because he is better than their favourite player in talent, skill and overall accomplishment. Plus he plays the weakest race, which makes him even more awesome.





Geez man, Protoss weakest race, shut up. It is the strongest race. And yeah, there are better players than Bisu, such as Jaedong and Flash.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 05:25:14
December 08 2009 05:25 GMT
#537
On December 08 2009 14:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 14:10 Holgerius wrote:
As tomatriedes and cokencheese said, I really doubt anyone really ''hates'' SKT and it's players in that sense. What you must realize is that envy (which is the trigger to the ''hate'' ) is a very basic part of human nature.

So because it's part of human nature, it's socially acceptable?

I can see that causing a lot of problems if applied to society as a whole.

Well, like it or not; that's the reason people are hating. You said that is what you don't understand (''I was just curious about it's motivations'' ), and that is the psychological explanation to it. You've gotten your answer.

Get over it and accept the fact that human nature isn't going to change over the night just because you get butthurt because of it.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
December 08 2009 05:26 GMT
#538
On December 08 2009 14:17 ImGoNNaLoSeNoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 13:10 ProbeSaturation wrote:
People bash Bisu because he is better than their favourite player in talent, skill and overall accomplishment. Plus he plays the weakest race, which makes him even more awesome.





Geez man, Protoss weakest race, shut up. It is the strongest race. And yeah, there are better players than Bisu, such as Jaedong and Flash.

Well, you see...they play the stronger race...
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 08 2009 05:35 GMT
#539
Stop trying prove the haters "wrong" in their actions, and attain a position of moral superiority. Just take the loss and be done with it.
You are trying to prove them wrong because though you have gotten your answer, u try and find some logical fallacy in it.
Jaedong
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 08 2009 05:37 GMT
#540
On December 08 2009 14:17 ImGoNNaLoSeNoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2009 13:10 ProbeSaturation wrote:
People bash Bisu because he is better than their favourite player in talent, skill and overall accomplishment. Plus he plays the weakest race, which makes him even more awesome.





Geez man, Protoss weakest race, shut up. It is the strongest race. And yeah, there are better players than Bisu, such as Jaedong and Flash.


haha, i can only laugh smugly at this.

1. Jaedong plays zerg. Playing zerg is cheating. Why don't you ask Stork about that.

2. Protoss is the weakest race, but Bisu is so good that he can optimize his race better than Jaedong or Flash have optimized their respective races.

Plus, Bisu plays for SKT, and since Bisu is the best player in the world, SKT is the best progaming team, in the world. He's like Kobe, or Alex Rodriguez.

Jaedong is like, Lebron. Everyone WANTS him to be the new Michael Jordon, the NBA WANTS him to be the new great one, but he can't, because his team isn't winning championships.

Bisu like Kobe, is hated by many. But he's just so much better than everyone else, that it doesn't matter. He has the championship.
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