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On December 06 2009 17:35 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown? The one straw that broke the mule's back. Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job.
so i cant call you insecure because you had a hissy fit in one comment? its obvious you have problems dealing with other people saying bad shit about beloved bisu
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On December 06 2009 17:43 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:35 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown? The one straw that broke the mule's back. Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job. so i cant call you insecure because you had a hissy fit in one comment? its obvious you have problems dealing with other people saying bad shit about beloved bisu
Uh exactly. It's a pretty big leap of faith to say something like that based off of one comment.
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On December 06 2009 17:55 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:43 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 17:35 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown? The one straw that broke the mule's back. Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job. so i cant call you insecure because you had a hissy fit in one comment? its obvious you have problems dealing with other people saying bad shit about beloved bisu Uh exactly. It's a pretty big leap of faith to say something like that based off of one comment.
you said something insecure and i called you insecure. if you said something stupid, i'd have called you stupid.
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Bisu doesn't seem arrogant just very socially awkward and an extreme introvert. You can see this in that video that follows the MBC Hero team around during their free time. While everyone is more or less getting into the activities, Bisu is in a corner clearly out of the loop.
He's clearly the least eloquent member of the Taek Bang Lee Ssang quad, and a lot of other prominent progamers in my opinion as well, and you'd be kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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so this is SKT when Bisu doesn't play? haha
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Gesh pm each other if you wanna bitch at each other
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On December 06 2009 18:10 Redshirt wrote:
Bisu doesn't seem arrogant just very socially awkward and an extreme introvert. You can see this in that video that follows the MBC Hero team around during their free time. While everyone is more or less getting into the activities, Bisu is in a corner clearly out of the loop.
He's clearly the least eloquent member of the Taek Bang Lee Ssang quad, and a lot of other prominent progamers in my opinion as well, and you'd be kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Exactly. Given that we have to go through transcription and translation of the interviews, a lot of the nuance of what gets said is lost. It's hard to pin down what he says as genuine arrogance rather than insecurity and awkwardness, and there's definitely not enough certainty to make judgments about him with it.
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On December 06 2009 18:03 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:55 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:43 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 17:35 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown? The one straw that broke the mule's back. Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job. so i cant call you insecure because you had a hissy fit in one comment? its obvious you have problems dealing with other people saying bad shit about beloved bisu Uh exactly. It's a pretty big leap of faith to say something like that based off of one comment. you said something insecure and i called you insecure. if you said something stupid, i'd have called you stupid.
So if I trip once I'm a clumsy person?
GRATE LOGIK U GOT DERE U FINE FELOW
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Today, is an awesome day to be an OZ fan :D A new issue of Hwaseung house and OZ winning 3-0. Ahhhhhh, this makes up for everything wrong in R1!!!
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On December 06 2009 18:40 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 18:03 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 17:55 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:43 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 17:35 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown? The one straw that broke the mule's back. Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job. so i cant call you insecure because you had a hissy fit in one comment? its obvious you have problems dealing with other people saying bad shit about beloved bisu Uh exactly. It's a pretty big leap of faith to say something like that based off of one comment. you said something insecure and i called you insecure. if you said something stupid, i'd have called you stupid. So if I trip once I'm a clumsy person? GRATE LOGIK U GOT DERE U FINE FELOW
if you had balance, you wouldnt have tripped
in the same way, you'd be able to handle yourself better if someone made fun of your favourite player, without going all internet warrior
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YES Oz!!! cant believe i missed that -.-
And lol @ skt fans crying about everyone hating their team
Maybe now we can have Oz in the R2 winner's poll?
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GOGOGOG BISU!!
Not only are you the best looking progamer, you are also the most fascinating!
you can create a 100 page thread out of practically nothing!
I LOVE YOU KTY!!
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That´s what happens when you send a subpar starting 3 with soo and canata.
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On December 06 2009 17:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude. Source? Not trying to discredit you, but I can't remember any recent instance of this (I do remember old interviews like that, but I chalked them up to Bisu being awkward and bad at interview--both acknowledged by his team members and foreigners who have met him), though I'll admit that's because I wasn't paying attention for it. There was the pre-IEF interview, but in all fairness, in Korean v Foreigner events, that level of overconfidence is sort of justified.
It's just something that i've observed. When I watch Bisu lose to a "lower-level" gamer, it feels like he's not giving it his all. It's something that all of the top tier seems to do once in a while (Jaedong completely not microing his mutas in a battle, Flash 14cc etc.), but even though it gets overblown, Bisu seems to suffer for it more. It can be hard to say if it's just nerves, but I really feel like a lot of Bisu's woes as far as early elimination are from underestimating his opponents. Look what happened last MSL - he started trying to get fancy and let Iris get back into a won game and instead we got fucking KWANRO in the finals. Iris played the game of his life, but Bisu really let him back into the game by underestimating him. That's what I mean by being arrogant.
The more recent interviews seem to show him toned down a lot from how he used to be, though. The quote below's from the All-Star MVP interview, all of the more recent stuff is actually really mellow, talking about how he thinks he's the worst of the Taek-Bang-LeeSsang quartet and stuff.
also, re: "OMG LOADED QUESTIONS":
- How are you preparing for 09-10 season?
▲ The new maps are very bad for protoss, but they are being changed so I think I'll wait. I hope they make good maps. I'm trying my best so I can get good results again next season. I didn't do too well in the 1st round last season, but I'm practicing so that doesn't happen again.
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Wow Fantasy needs to stop sucking so hard, and fast :S
Bisu doesn't only need to win his games, but also get some epic ACE match.
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lol Oz 3-0 in their first game for r1 and r2
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BISU! your arrogance is your charm. don't ever change!
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Finland1714 Posts
Oz starts strong this round aswell, could't have dreamed of this ;p
hopefully they now continue winning, gonna go 11-0 R2!
i've been missing these excellent HH;s, thanks ;p
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What's up with Fantasy? Bloke couldn't win a one horse race if he tryed at the moment =/
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