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On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.
Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.
I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.
(oystein I still love you)
So by that definition you hate any avid fans?
You're really not saying much because every player has their fans that do that.
And it really seems like you're just bunching all Bisu fans together. :[
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On December 06 2009 15:28 DeepGray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +After falling from top 100 LB down to ~300 LB I finally got something right.
i think i hit the jackpot
+ Show Spoiler +
screw kiler for destroying skt
canata has a problem with bunker rush,i remember he played against Pusan?? and enter the same stupid situation
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On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag.
Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON.
Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps.
It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion.
Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit.
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I agree with TheYango. I understand that Oz fans are proud of their team and seeing them win and want to declare "YEAH 3-0 RAPE!" That's just part of being a fan. But why hate on SKT1? When SKT1 won 3-0 against Oz, it was always "YEAH 3-0 RAPE woot" and not "YEAH Oz loses 0-3, go die in a fire Oz fans!" The last few pages go around and describes Jaedong as a BoX specialist and a really good player and is overall respectful toward Oz when not declaring victory in increasingly rowdy ways. Now the situation is reversed and Oz fans can't give SKT1 the same treatment?
The last few pages have comments like "Watching SKT players lose is a treat" and "I love when SKT1 get 3-0ed and even MORE when its from my favorite team!"
I mean Fantasy isn't the best player, or even the best Terran. But he certainly doesn't suck. Bisu didn't even play in the match. Is it necessary to declare how they should lose and SKT1 needs to lose/die? I feel that deriving enjoyment from people failing instead of people succeeding is looking at an issue in the wrong way.
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In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.
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Because SKT is the New York Yankees of progaming, proving that the longest standing and best funded team gets you further than anything else.
People LOVE watching the Yankees lose. They just don't do it a lot.
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You wanna know WHY people react that way Ecrilon? Cause SKT fans are the funniest when they get butthurt, seriously if you succuessfully manage to troll a SKT fan they'll cry harder and longer then anyone else.
And yes, I do love the fact that SKT lost simply 'cause I don't like the team. I AM ENJOYING THIS!
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On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit.
holy shit you're insecure
why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown?
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On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.
This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.
And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).
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On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.
Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.
I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.
(oystein I still love you)
thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player
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Julmut, trolling itself, as a concept, is deriving enjoyment from someone else getting angry. Now, I understand that a lot of people are amused by the anger of others, but do you agree that saying things for the sole purpose of angering someone else is rather selfish, rude and not at all deserving of the label "civil conversation"? I assume that people that troll would say "No, it's just really funny, lol etc." And if you also disagree, I don't really want to talk about this issue with you as in my personal opinion, you'd be kind of a jerk.
Yes, the above does imply that people that don't agree with me on this issue are jerks in my eyes. Trolling has no place in discussion and debate.
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DONT LET THE FACT THAT BISU DIDNT EVEN PLAY TO STOP U HATERZ FROM HATING
THX KIDZ
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On December 06 2009 17:10 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.
Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.
I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.
(oystein I still love you) thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player
Hard to hate any player at all then.
Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.
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On December 06 2009 17:15 Camlito wrote:
Hard to hate any player at all then.
Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.
I don't see anything wrong with that. I harbor no ill will against any player.
A good game is good, regardless of who won or lost.
On December 06 2009 17:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
what about if the player is absurdly BM, plays a very boring style or has a shit haircut?
Absurdly BM - Yeah, that's a reason to dislike a player, but I can't think of any high-profile player that actually is BM enough for me to care.
Boring style (lol Canata) - I won't like watching his games, but I don't care whether he wins or loses. The game's going to be boring either way, and him losing doesn't change that. I suppose you could make the argument that you'd want them to lose in an individual league so we get more exciting games in later rounds.
Shit haircut - I don't pretend I'm any judge of haircuts, so I'm not going to judge someone based on this.
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On December 06 2009 17:15 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:10 fearus wrote:On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.
Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.
I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.
(oystein I still love you) thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player Hard to hate any player at all then. Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.
what about if the player is absurdly BM, plays a very boring style or has a shit haircut?
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On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings. This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met. And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).
By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.
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On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.
Source?
Not trying to discredit you, but I can't remember any recent instance of this (I do remember old interviews like that, but I chalked them up to Bisu being awkward and bad at interview--both acknowledged by his team members and foreigners who have met him), though I'll admit that's because I wasn't paying attention for it. There was the pre-IEF interview, but in all fairness, in Korean v Foreigner events, that level of overconfidence is sort of justified.
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On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings. This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met. And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point). By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.
what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"
that sounds pretty arrogant to me
wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit
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On December 06 2009 17:25 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings. This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met. And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point). By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude. what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"that sounds pretty arrogant to me wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit
Because he turns to the crowd and says it in English after winning a tournament? Context is everything.
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On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose? The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag. Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON. Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps. It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion. Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit. holy shit you're insecure why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown?
The one straw that broke the mule's back.
Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job.
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