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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 07:38:22
December 06 2009 07:37 GMT
#381
On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.

Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.

I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.

(oystein I still love you)

So by that definition you hate any avid fans?

You're really not saying much because every player has their fans that do that.

And it really seems like you're just bunching all Bisu fans together. :[
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
December 06 2009 07:41 GMT
#382
On December 06 2009 15:28 DeepGray wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Oh yeah.

After falling from top 100 LB down to ~300 LB I finally got something right.



i think i hit the jackpot

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screw kiler for destroying skt
canata has a problem with bunker rush,i remember he played against Pusan?? and enter the same stupid situation
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 06 2009 07:44 GMT
#383
On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose?


The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag.



Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON.

Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps.

It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion.

Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
December 06 2009 07:53 GMT
#384
I agree with TheYango. I understand that Oz fans are proud of their team and seeing them win and want to declare "YEAH 3-0 RAPE!" That's just part of being a fan. But why hate on SKT1? When SKT1 won 3-0 against Oz, it was always "YEAH 3-0 RAPE woot" and not "YEAH Oz loses 0-3, go die in a fire Oz fans!" The last few pages go around and describes Jaedong as a BoX specialist and a really good player and is overall respectful toward Oz when not declaring victory in increasingly rowdy ways. Now the situation is reversed and Oz fans can't give SKT1 the same treatment?

The last few pages have comments like "Watching SKT players lose is a treat" and "I love when SKT1 get 3-0ed and even MORE when its from my favorite team!"

I mean Fantasy isn't the best player, or even the best Terran. But he certainly doesn't suck. Bisu didn't even play in the match. Is it necessary to declare how they should lose and SKT1 needs to lose/die? I feel that deriving enjoyment from people failing instead of people succeeding is looking at an issue in the wrong way.
There is but one truth.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 06 2009 07:57 GMT
#385
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.
Jaedong
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 06 2009 07:59 GMT
#386
Because SKT is the New York Yankees of progaming, proving that the longest standing and best funded team gets you further than anything else.

People LOVE watching the Yankees lose. They just don't do it a lot.
Remember Violet.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
December 06 2009 07:59 GMT
#387
You wanna know WHY people react that way Ecrilon? Cause SKT fans are the funniest when they get butthurt, seriously if you succuessfully manage to troll a SKT fan they'll cry harder and longer then anyone else.

And yes, I do love the fact that SKT lost simply 'cause I don't like the team. I AM ENJOYING THIS!
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 06 2009 08:07 GMT
#388
On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:
On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose?


The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag.



Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON.

Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps.

It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion.

Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit.


holy shit you're insecure

why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown?

HEY MEYT
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 08:09:06
December 06 2009 08:07 GMT
#389
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
December 06 2009 08:10 GMT
#390
On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.

Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.

I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.

(oystein I still love you)


thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player
bisu fanboy
Ecrilon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
501 Posts
December 06 2009 08:11 GMT
#391
Julmut, trolling itself, as a concept, is deriving enjoyment from someone else getting angry. Now, I understand that a lot of people are amused by the anger of others, but do you agree that saying things for the sole purpose of angering someone else is rather selfish, rude and not at all deserving of the label "civil conversation"? I assume that people that troll would say "No, it's just really funny, lol etc." And if you also disagree, I don't really want to talk about this issue with you as in my personal opinion, you'd be kind of a jerk.

Yes, the above does imply that people that don't agree with me on this issue are jerks in my eyes. Trolling has no place in discussion and debate.
There is but one truth.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
December 06 2009 08:11 GMT
#392
DONT LET THE FACT THAT BISU DIDNT EVEN PLAY TO STOP U HATERZ FROM HATING

THX KIDZ
bisu fanboy
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
December 06 2009 08:15 GMT
#393
On December 06 2009 17:10 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.

Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.

I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.

(oystein I still love you)


thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player


Hard to hate any player at all then.

Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.
sAviOr...
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 09:46:21
December 06 2009 08:17 GMT
#394
On December 06 2009 17:15 Camlito wrote:
Hard to hate any player at all then.

Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I harbor no ill will against any player.

A good game is good, regardless of who won or lost.

On December 06 2009 17:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
what about if the player is absurdly BM, plays a very boring style or has a shit haircut?

Absurdly BM - Yeah, that's a reason to dislike a player, but I can't think of any high-profile player that actually is BM enough for me to care.

Boring style (lol Canata) - I won't like watching his games, but I don't care whether he wins or loses. The game's going to be boring either way, and him losing doesn't change that. I suppose you could make the argument that you'd want them to lose in an individual league so we get more exciting games in later rounds.

Shit haircut - I don't pretend I'm any judge of haircuts, so I'm not going to judge someone based on this.
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 06 2009 08:19 GMT
#395
On December 06 2009 17:15 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 17:10 fearus wrote:
On December 06 2009 15:05 AttackZerg wrote:
I love bisu fans crying.

Boxer and fantasy fans I respect but most of bisu's fans show such little understanding of starcraft that it drives real fans (who actually understand the game they are watching) to hate the team AND the player.

I think bisu is the best protoss in the history of the game but I love when he loses stupidly and his fans have a million stupid reasons for why it happend.

(oystein I still love you)


thats a pretty dumb reason to hate a team and the player


Hard to hate any player at all then.

Let's have all starcraft fans not say anything bad about a player.


what about if the player is absurdly BM, plays a very boring style or has a shit haircut?
HEY MEYT
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 06 2009 08:22 GMT
#396
On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).


By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 08:26:22
December 06 2009 08:25 GMT
#397
On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.

Source?

Not trying to discredit you, but I can't remember any recent instance of this (I do remember old interviews like that, but I chalked them up to Bisu being awkward and bad at interview--both acknowledged by his team members and foreigners who have met him), though I'll admit that's because I wasn't paying attention for it. There was the pre-IEF interview, but in all fairness, in Korean v Foreigner events, that level of overconfidence is sort of justified.
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
December 06 2009 08:25 GMT
#398
On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).


By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.


what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"

that sounds pretty arrogant to me

wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit
bisu fanboy
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 06 2009 08:28 GMT
#399
On December 06 2009 17:25 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).


By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.


what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"

that sounds pretty arrogant to me

wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit


Because he turns to the crowd and says it in English after winning a tournament? Context is everything.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 08:36:28
December 06 2009 08:35 GMT
#400
On December 06 2009 17:07 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 16:44 BanZu wrote:
On December 06 2009 15:38 Niton wrote:
On December 06 2009 15:11 TheYango wrote:
The question still stands, though. What about Bisu or his play makes it enjoyable to watch him lose?


The maps comments. When you have Flash of all people making comments that seem to be poking fun at you for your actions, you're a bit of a douchebag.



Fucking shit dude, COME FUCKING ON.

Stop bringing up shit about Bisu's comments on maps. This is gone on way too far and far too long. It's one thing to notice it and it's another to bitch about it more than Bisu "bitches" about maps.

It's obvious that everyone complaining about bisu and "maps comments" have a huge issue that they need to deal with, their unreasonable bias. I have read interview answer after interview answer, with NO indication of map bitching only to see dipshit after dipshit go "lol bisu bitching about maps again lololol i'm a fucking idiot". The only people who see his comments as complaints are people who are anti-bisu so if you can get your head out of your ass you should be able to tell that Bisu doesn't complain about maps. You ask a fucking question, you get a fucking honest opinion.

Fuck, I've had enough of this fucking bullshit.


holy shit you're insecure

why do you have to have a temper tantrum when somebody says something negative about a player you like? why cant you just ignore it, or at least stop flipping out like a clown?


The one straw that broke the mule's back.

Everything you say was based on one comment. Lol good job.
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