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dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
December 06 2009 14:21 GMT
#421
KILLER'd
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 14:25:17
December 06 2009 14:23 GMT
#422
On December 06 2009 17:28 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 17:25 fearus wrote:
On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).


By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.


what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"

that sounds pretty arrogant to me

wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit


Because he turns to the crowd and says it in English after winning a tournament? Context is everything.

You mean in the same year he was getting a 46.30% win rate in the entire year, being utterly humiliated by Firebathero on a regular basis? And his announcement was about how he'd destroy everyone in the next year, when his win rate went DOWN to 45.83%?

The same player who, in his pre GOMTV MSL Season 1 final interview, said, "My opponent's mistake was picking Protoss"?

Just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same player.

I don't have any issues with Savior and all, but to say that Savior had no arrogance is an overstatement.

This thread shows just how much anti Bisu hate there is. NEWS FLASH: Bisu didn't play last night! It'd be like me going to a KHAN thread where Stork didn't play and saying "lol dinotoss is slumping." At the least have the decency to flame Bisu in a separate thread or in a thread about a tournament where he ACTUALLY plays. Some of you guys have even admitted it, you guys bash Bisu just to troll the SKT fans. That's rather offensive, especially when Bisu has done BASICALLY NOTHING last night.

If you have a problem with SKT1, then bash their coach.. Bash Fantasy, and Canata, and the players WHO PLAYED. This thread isn't about SKT1 hate, it's specifically about the match last night, and I really don't see a reason to include trash talk about a player who didn't actually play.
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aznanimedude
Profile Joined April 2009
United States199 Posts
December 06 2009 14:37 GMT
#423
=D only in a SKT vs OZ thread
jaedong fanboys OZ followers vs SKT1
it's proleague finals all over again \o/
HOI POLLOI
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 06 2009 14:40 GMT
#424
i have nothing against bisu, the real player of skt that i really don't like is canata (he's so boring...).

but i find it funny when skt loses because of the nerd rage that happens
BW is back
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 06 2009 15:00 GMT
#425
This thread is pretty lame now; in one corner we have a malicious group of smug haters (including myself) and in the other we have some butthurt fanboys who whine about how unfair the hate is.

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm loving it!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
December 06 2009 15:47 GMT
#426
On December 06 2009 23:40 Jackal03 wrote:
i have nothing against bisu, the real player of skt that i really don't like is canata (he's so boring...).

but i find it funny when skt loses because of the nerd rage that happens


Really, from all the interviews and posts by people who have actually met Fantasy, Bisu and Canata, the evidence pile is pretty large that Canata has so much more personality than Fantasy or Bisu combined.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
December 06 2009 16:00 GMT
#427
BISU! people hate you because you play the weakest race, yet you have accomplished so much!

Your mastery of the game transcends all others!

Kim Taek Yong HWAITING!!!!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
December 06 2009 16:03 GMT
#428
On December 07 2009 01:00 ProbeSaturation wrote:
BISU! people hate you because you play the weakest race, yet you have accomplished so much!

Your mastery of the game transcends all others!

Kim Taek Yong HWAITING!!!!
Wait, what?

Since when is Protoss the hardest race? We're not on the same page here.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 06 2009 16:11 GMT
#429
why didn't they put bisu as lead =,=
they just had to put a noname shit player against hiya to curse my fpl >.>
:)
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 06 2009 16:28 GMT
#430
On December 07 2009 01:00 ProbeSaturation wrote:
BISU! people hate you because you play the weakest race, yet you have accomplished so much!

Your mastery of the game transcends all others!

Kim Taek Yong HWAITING!!!!


lol wut?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 06 2009 16:47 GMT
#431
Taken from the Ask for stats-thread:

* Terran: 49 golds, including 11 OSLs and 9 MSLs/KPGA Tours

* Zerg: 35 golds, including 6 OSLs and 6 MSLs/KPGA Tours

* Protoss: 18 golds, including 8 OSLs and 4 MSLs/KPGA Tours

Protoss isn't ez mode on pro level.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
December 06 2009 17:08 GMT
#432
that would be "bogus" of me..hahaha
sex appeal
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 06 2009 17:59 GMT
#433
Didn't like the Hwaseung House this time, because "that would be bogus of me" does not make sense with any meaning of the word "bogus" that I know.
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Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 18:29:33
December 06 2009 18:21 GMT
#434
second 0-3 in a row means that whole SKT team is in a slump. Some1 has to win a PL match to bounce back to their level.
P.S. And haters should cut all the BS. Especially pathetic arguments of "understanding the game" and judging others with blindless self praising.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 18:31:00
December 06 2009 18:26 GMT
#435
On December 06 2009 21:40 Niton wrote:
It's just something that i've observed. When I watch Bisu lose to a "lower-level" gamer, it feels like he's not giving it his all. It's something that all of the top tier seems to do once in a while (Jaedong completely not microing his mutas in a battle, Flash 14cc etc.), but even though it gets overblown, Bisu seems to suffer for it more. It can be hard to say if it's just nerves, but I really feel like a lot of Bisu's woes as far as early elimination are from underestimating his opponents. Look what happened last MSL - he started trying to get fancy and let Iris get back into a won game and instead we got fucking KWANRO in the finals. Iris played the game of his life, but Bisu really let him back into the game by underestimating him. That's what I mean by being arrogant.

Eh. It still feels very hand-wavy to me and I don't exactly feel comfortable judging someone based off a hunch. If you saw the FPView of the Iris game, you'd notice that Bisu was slowing down. That's just as likely to be plain burnout as it is to be him relaxing and dicking around in a "won game".

On December 06 2009 21:40 Niton wrote:
also, re: "OMG LOADED QUESTIONS":
Show nested quote +

- How are you preparing for 09-10 season?
▲ The new maps are very bad for protoss, but they are being changed so I think I'll wait. I hope they make good maps. I'm trying my best so I can get good results again next season. I didn't do too well in the 1st round last season, but I'm practicing so that doesn't happen again.

On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

How is this different from everyone else again?
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6660 Posts
December 06 2009 18:44 GMT
#436
On December 06 2009 09:44 Atrioc wrote:
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Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 06 2009 19:19 GMT
#437
the best part of this entire match was the hwaseung house
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
December 06 2009 19:32 GMT
#438
On December 07 2009 02:59 qrs wrote:
Didn't like the Hwaseung House this time, because "that would be bogus of me" does not make sense with any meaning of the word "bogus" that I know.


>_>

<_<

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/34679_Bisu_vs_Bogus

the game that knocked Bisu out of the MSL
Writerman what
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
December 06 2009 19:36 GMT
#439
On December 06 2009 23:23 Kyo Yuy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 06 2009 17:28 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2009 17:25 fearus wrote:
On December 06 2009 17:22 Niton wrote:
On December 06 2009 17:07 TheYango wrote:
On December 06 2009 16:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
In reality, everyone says some maps are hard, but others go on and talk about how they'll try and make their victories better. Bisu doesn't, always focusing on whatever obstacle the map brings.

This is true, but again, I'm curious as to why people consider this enough of a flaw to hate someone for. It takes a lot more than a few irritating comments for me to actively wish ill will on someone, particularly if they're someone I've never met.

And yeah, BanZu, take a chill pill, or go to bed. This discussion really doesn't call for being so hotheaded (particularly since you're lending to Julmust's point).


By itself, it's not, but Bisu has a really bad habit of not putting his money where his mouth is. He's a good player, sure, but he talks about how good he is then gets eliminated in single/double elimination rounds by straight up playing worse than his opponents or not considering he could be cheesed. I have respect for the dude's raw ability, but he really is arrogant as far as thinking he'll just 'win' whenever he sits down for a game. As such, he's fairly easy to hate by progamer standards, especially when compared to the other 'top' Protoss' attitude.


what about saying shit like "i will destroy everyone in 2009"

that sounds pretty arrogant to me

wheres the fucken hate for that.. instead u kidz just jizz all over that shit


Because he turns to the crowd and says it in English after winning a tournament? Context is everything.

You mean in the same year he was getting a 46.30% win rate in the entire year, being utterly humiliated by Firebathero on a regular basis? And his announcement was about how he'd destroy everyone in the next year, when his win rate went DOWN to 45.83%?

The same player who, in his pre GOMTV MSL Season 1 final interview, said, "My opponent's mistake was picking Protoss"?

Just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same player.

I don't have any issues with Savior and all, but to say that Savior had no arrogance is an overstatement.

This thread shows just how much anti Bisu hate there is. NEWS FLASH: Bisu didn't play last night! It'd be like me going to a KHAN thread where Stork didn't play and saying "lol dinotoss is slumping." At the least have the decency to flame Bisu in a separate thread or in a thread about a tournament where he ACTUALLY plays. Some of you guys have even admitted it, you guys bash Bisu just to troll the SKT fans. That's rather offensive, especially when Bisu has done BASICALLY NOTHING last night.

If you have a problem with SKT1, then bash their coach.. Bash Fantasy, and Canata, and the players WHO PLAYED. This thread isn't about SKT1 hate, it's specifically about the match last night, and I really don't see a reason to include trash talk about a player who didn't actually play.

well, it's kinda` ok for savior to be a little arrogant coz that fits him. I know, the world ain`t fair.
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
December 06 2009 19:37 GMT
#440
On December 07 2009 04:32 Atrioc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 02:59 qrs wrote:
Didn't like the Hwaseung House this time, because "that would be bogus of me" does not make sense with any meaning of the word "bogus" that I know.


>_>

<_<

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/34679_Bisu_vs_Bogus

the game that knocked Bisu out of the MSL

dont mind him, HH was GREAT! grats!
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
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