23/11/2009, 18:30 KST. The Emperor faces his eternal rival, The Storm Zerg once again... Stick to Channel MBCGame. Because this will be one hell of a night.
We should just put boxer vs yellow on recomended game right now.even if it's over in 8 minutes it's sooooo worth watching.other matches don't even come close to this.
Lmfao, fuck OGN. Who cares about the other match when you have Boxer v Yellow. I'll be streaming this, simply cause I wanna see Boxer bunk rush and nuke Yellow into retirement.
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
Haha. Staged. (BeSt, despite unfortunate slump, probably still better than BoxeR) Also, AWESOME. (BoxeR, despite not being as good, still more awesome than everyone)
On November 24 2009 07:54 Aurioch wrote: How are people predicting Ruby over Canata, seriously, that's Ruby's worse matchup, and probably is Canata's strongest matchup.
Because Canata never built twenty Starports and rocked another Terran with wraiths.
On November 24 2009 13:07 JWD wrote: Sort of bummed to see BeSt out of the lineup tonight; he could really use a confidence-booster.
He beat Flash, what more does he need?
He needs to beat a Zerg without losing every corsair he produces ;_;.
Don't get me wrong, I love Best, but his PvZ brings tears to my eyes... not in a good way .
Any way, I hope Yellow 4pools and sends all his drones and his overlord and then does a proxy hatch in Boxer's main.
I'm not sure how that's actually possible, but I'm sure there's a way to make it work.
And regarding a post earlier about Yellow - Yellow actually used to win in event matches and things of that sort. I think the gap in skill level between Boxer and Yellow has widened a good amount since their rivalry first started, and I think as a result of this it will be harder for Yellow to win this.
Though I'm sure the game will be very exciting regardless .
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
Have you seen Ruby recent TvT matches?
Ruby is 0 and 3 against Canata and is on a five game loosing streak TvT, I don't know what the hell you're talkin about
Actually i'm interested to know when was the last time these two played an official match together? That means not a superfight / special event match. I think it has been a really really long time.
On November 24 2009 13:43 himurakenshin wrote: Actually i'm interested to know when was the last time these two played an official match together? That means not a superfight / special event match. I think it has been a really really long time.
according to TLPD it's almost 5 years, since ODT isn't 'official'
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
I hope either Ruby or Yellow wins, so I get to see Anytime crush Hyuk and take it to ace. Thats right, I want to see Anytime play more than Boxer or Yellow. I'm such a loose cannon rebel.
Gogo oov in ACE. And crazy pick with GoRush beating Bisu, bet hell, this is the very same map that Bisu lost to Yellow on so why the hell not? Iloveoov to round out the old-school matchup frenzy.
On November 24 2009 07:06 radiumz0rz wrote: I don't get how you could predict Ruby over Canata when Canata had the best TvT for some time while Ruby has a poor TvT record.
Have you seen Ruby recent TvT matches?
Ruby is 0 and 3 against Canata and is on a five game loosing streak TvT, I don't know what the hell you're talkin about
He played pretty damn well against Flash. I didnt watch his matches against go.go, but he owned Hiya Skyhigh and Hwasin.
He's not going to bunker rush. This is the map he beat Killer on. He'll be going for a standard bionic game, except he will probably use dropships, and YellOw will probably be playing hydra/lurk midgame. If this is a really good night, YellOw will kill him with the hydra/guardian timing (He has not won a regular season PL game vs a Terran since June 2007, vs Leta and Nada with hydra/guardian).
Ruby has a great shot against Canata. If YellOw wins, the momentum will probably be huge, and Canata will definitely drop his game. Yet GoRush will play his set on HBR... and he will get nervous and drop his set because Bisu won't be losing to ACE zergs on HBR anymore. Anytime vs hyuk feels like a toss-up no matter how the previous sets went. SKT's ace should be a P or a T. Bisu or fantasy on Outsider would be pretty likely. They both excel on that map. But wait... what ACE player keeps getting sent out on Outsider? KONG! So Kong could be ACE's ace, but Reach/Anytime (good on Outsider) and RuBy (ACE's hero) are more probable. (YellOw shouldn't actually be preparing for a second set this match.)
The last time these two teams played, YellOw was a god and Xellos threw away everything. Partly deliberating, partly hoping: ACE 3-2 SK Telecom T1.
Gahhh I can't stay awake any longer -_- lecture 9-12 3-6 tomorrow =( You guys better write epic detailed picturesque second-by-second live reports of the LIMJINROK match so I can read it during my lunch break lol
I'm in a internet cafe in Vietnam waiting for this. Watching old reps right now, getting weird looks. Going to be even weirder when I start screaming IM YO HWAN when he bunker rushes.
On November 24 2009 18:47 Suc wrote: I love how the crowd screams at literally the smallest things that boxer and yellow do, it makes you love starcraft so much more :D
srsly, never seen a crowd more excited when someone snipes one marine AWESOME IRRADIATE
rofl commentators and audience totally own my mind... cheering for everything and going totally crazy on that irradiate.. what will they do when yellow gets a plague off?
On November 24 2009 18:48 G.s)NarutO wrote: rofl commentators and audience totally own my mind... cheering for everything and going totally crazy on that irradiate.. what will they do when yellow gets a plague off?
omg I hope he does, the crowd will be flipping chairs and going crazy
On November 24 2009 18:48 G.s)NarutO wrote: rofl commentators and audience totally own my mind... cheering for everything and going totally crazy on that irradiate.. what will they do when yellow gets a plague off?
Yellow moving deep into Boxer territory with lings and lurkers, foces Boxer to lift CC, lurkers doing heaps of damage, scourge taking out sci vessels left and right and my stream freezes
On November 24 2009 19:04 Chen wrote: Boxer laughing at that. god the Emperor is awesome even in defeat. was he always this good to watch in his prime?
On November 24 2009 19:05 prOxi.Beater wrote: Great game! The way Yellow used his irradiated ultras to almost kill that cloaked ghost was just.. Perfect. So glad I woke up early for this
I almost pissed myself watching that... the ghost got away with 2 hp
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
I knew Boxer was losing after his tank + MnM army got crushed by lurkers and lings ... he was playing at pretty low econ, and going nuke was just to entertain the fan ...
Pimpest moment: Irradiated ultralisks ALMOST killed the cloaked ghost.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
well letting all the hype aside, it was a pretty good game some cloning mistakes (scourge), boxers mmn micro was a bit sloppy from time to time and the nukes were totally useless, should have played with dropships instead
but the 3 irridiated ultralisks trying to kill the cloaked ghost alone was worth watching it xD fuck haven't seen stuff like this for ages (yellow bisu hbr maybe?) 8/10 gg
What a beautiful game. From the level of control that both players displayed to the cute stuff like the irradiated ultras frantically trying to splash the ghost...this was definitely worth staying up for.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
w/e noob boxer fan!! YELLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW :D
you know nothing
nuke should count double the worth of ace match victory
Boxer nuked Yellow twice and didn't win.
Happy?
Seriously, I think that if Boxer defended the muta harass better, he could have pulled off a good show with those nukes, he didn't expect that muta harass to be that effective and delay him.
to be honest i was very impressed by yellow's defiler use. a lot of nice swarm/plague combos. another aspect i really liked was his vessel sniping with scourge. it's true that boxer didn't do a good job protecting them but yellow was definitely on top of his game, seeing as he always had scourge around at the right moments.
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
On November 24 2009 19:11 G.s)NarutO wrote: Probably more like Bisu vs Anytime if it comes to ACE.. o_O
Sending a protoss to face Bisu is almost as bad as feeding Flash with a Terran. If anything, ACE should send a zerg to strike into the current-not-so-confident-pvz of Bisu.
On November 24 2009 19:11 Last Romantic wrote: Whenever I see a game like that I think "that's what StarCraft is all about"
Then I wonder what the new progamers are doing wrong =/ Nobody loves them quite as much.
They play too well to produce games that are epic because of both players being sloppy? That's my guess. edit: please do not interpret this as an insult to boxer/yellow
On November 24 2009 19:11 Last Romantic wrote: Whenever I see a game like that I think "that's what StarCraft is all about"
Then I wonder what the new progamers are doing wrong =/ Nobody loves them quite as much.
Well, BoxeR , YellOw, NaDa, Reach, Nal_rA etc all made the game big.. They invented most of the original strategies, even when they are not used anymore. New players are amazing with mechanics and not so much with strategy.
Also there's not really a long rivarly between any new players, because the level is so high that if you start cheering for a player, he might not win another league, or at least be in a final again.. BoxeR did play so much against YellOw when their rivarly began.. so.. I think thats why.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
yeah yellow had what, 5 bases then? t.t
Your argument that nukes suck is just weak. Nukes rule, you just have to use them right. That YellOw had 5 base by then doesn't make this fact less right.
On November 24 2009 19:11 G.s)NarutO wrote: Probably more like Bisu vs Anytime if it comes to ACE.. o_O
Sending a protoss to face Bisu is almost as bad as feeding Flash with a Terran. If anything, ACE should send a zerg to strike into the current-not-so-confident-pvz of Bisu.
Which Zerg should ACE send against (if they expect it) Bisu ? YellOw? Sorry that HBR game was a 1 strategy thing and won't happen again :S And as much as I love GoRush, he won't win vs Bisu either and Anytime is pretty strong PvP.
That was true Starcraft. My goodness, I've watched amazing mechanical games and amazing strategical games, but Boxer vs. YellOw just has that something extra that made it amazing.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
Screw that, cute stuff is what Boxer is all about.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
Boxer knows he's never going to win a starleague at this point in his career, the only thing he does is go out and make his fans very very happy.
On November 24 2009 19:11 G.s)NarutO wrote: Probably more like Bisu vs Anytime if it comes to ACE.. o_O
Sending a protoss to face Bisu is almost as bad as feeding Flash with a Terran. If anything, ACE should send a zerg to strike into the current-not-so-confident-pvz of Bisu.
Which Zerg should ACE send against (if they expect it) Bisu ? YellOw? Sorry that HBR game was a 1 strategy thing and won't happen again :S And as much as I love GoRush, he won't win vs Bisu either and Anytime is pretty strong PvP.
I don't think it's necessarily the higher level of modern A-teamers - I mean, I don't enjoy BoxeR/YellOw because it's sloppy; I enjoy it because no other Zerg will try to kill invisible ghosts with irradiated ultralisks.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
wah wah wah
Boxer plays to entertain the fans, he knew he was gonna lose and decided to go out in a bang
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
Boxer knows he's never going to win a starleague at this point in his career, the only thing he does is go out and make his fans very very happy.
Which makes him all the more respectable, and so much more likeable.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
why so negative? it looks like he was seriously trying to make good use of nukes, he clearly incorporated them into his build
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
Screw that, cute stuff is what Boxer is all about.
On November 24 2009 19:05 Yoghurt wrote: Yellow didn't win this boxer did
I will slay all who tell me that the dude who nuked yellow several times over in proleague somehow wasn't the victor
Considering yellow is like 3-18 in PL since he entered ace, and people actually have respect for him, how is your entire game plan is having meh micro and meh macro and weak map control and entirely based on nuking your opponent a good thing. Yellow played really well there, but even B-teamers are provide higher skilled games than these 2. Nuking is gay, Yellow should infest cc boxer next time
boxer is the new Firebathero
Except Firebathero was top 3 Terran in the world when he was doing his ceremonies + top TvZ/TvT hands down
This Boxer should be working on his game rather than doing cute stuff, if he is going to do cute stuff, let him just do the gimmick mech builds he and oov made up, not play straight up TvZ. Oh well SKT just sends him out for show vs crappy teams anyways + for morale boosting
Boxer knows he's never going to win a starleague at this point in his career, the only thing he does is go out and make his fans very very happy.
lol I wouldn't think so. Just look at Nada and July. And don't say that boxer can't adapt. he was in the starleague finals in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005.
On November 24 2009 19:17 Last Romantic wrote: I don't think it's necessarily the higher level of modern A-teamers - I mean, I don't enjoy BoxeR/YellOw because it's sloppy; I enjoy it because no other Zerg will try to kill invisible ghosts with irradiated ultralisks.
True that. All new players don't have that quick random thinking like that. I think its because all these mechanics becomes drilled in their head and they only react to what they are taught. Players like Boxer and Yellow think outside the box. They are like Batman of Starcraft.
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
yeah yellow had what, 5 bases then? t.t
Your argument that nukes suck is just weak. Nukes rule, you just have to use them right. That YellOw had 5 base by then doesn't make this fact less right.
t.t
what does covert ops cost? 50/50? 100/100 nuclear silo 200/200 nuke *2 25/75 ghost *2
first nuke killed nothing, second nuke 1 sunk and like 10 drones = 700 minerals no gas boxer paid like 650 gas for it and like 100 minerals less
so tell me, if a building is not bleeding so u can hide the red spot marking the place of impact (like in the boxer killer game) whats the point in nuking? buildings are too strong and drones are just being pulled off. its nice to see (like queens), but there is a reason why it was nevre used in 10 years of broodwar
The use of nuke in TvZ isn't just a cute trick for the fans. 1 nuke and a dropship of MnM can take down the zerg's expansion REALLY fast. The only problem is that the Terran player needs to put up a very solid defense because one nuke = cutting down unit production = likelihood of getting ran over.
P/S: im talking about using nuke in TvZ in general, not specifically about Boxer vs Yellow game. In Boxer's case, going nuke wasn't the most brilliant idea imo.
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
yeah yellow had what, 5 bases then? t.t
Your argument that nukes suck is just weak. Nukes rule, you just have to use them right. That YellOw had 5 base by then doesn't make this fact less right.
t.t
what does covert ops cost? 50/50? 100/100 nuclear silo 200/200 nuke *2 25/75 ghost *2
first nuke killed nothing, second nuke 1 sunk and like 10 drones = 700 minerals no gas boxer paid like 650 gas for it and like 100 minerals less
so tell me, if a building is not bleeding so u can hide the red spot marking the place of impact (like in the boxer killer game) whats the point in nuking? buildings are too strong and drones are just being pulled off. its nice to see (like queens), but there is a reason why it was nevre used in 10 years of broodwar
First nuke got an ultra, a overlord and a few drones to be fair. and Nice Canata scouts 2-port and forces the cancel
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
yeah yellow had what, 5 bases then? t.t
Your argument that nukes suck is just weak. Nukes rule, you just have to use them right. That YellOw had 5 base by then doesn't make this fact less right.
t.t
what does covert ops cost? 50/50? 100/100 nuclear silo 200/200 nuke *2 25/75 ghost *2
first nuke killed nothing, second nuke 1 sunk and like 10 drones = 700 minerals no gas boxer paid like 650 gas for it and like 100 minerals less
so tell me, if a building is not bleeding so u can hide the red spot marking the place of impact (like in the boxer killer game) whats the point in nuking? buildings are too strong and drones are just being pulled off. its nice to see (like queens), but there is a reason why it was nevre used in 10 years of broodwar
On November 24 2009 19:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: The second nuke was fucking worth its money. Killed about 12 drones? and made a fully running expo worthless!
yeah yellow had what, 5 bases then? t.t
Your argument that nukes suck is just weak. Nukes rule, you just have to use them right. That YellOw had 5 base by then doesn't make this fact less right.
t.t
what does covert ops cost? 50/50? 100/100 nuclear silo 200/200 nuke *2 25/75 ghost *2
first nuke killed nothing, second nuke 1 sunk and like 10 drones = 700 minerals no gas boxer paid like 650 gas for it and like 100 minerals less
so tell me, if a building is not bleeding so u can hide the red spot marking the place of impact (like in the boxer killer game) whats the point in nuking? buildings are too strong and drones are just being pulled off. its nice to see (like queens), but there is a reason why it was nevre used in 10 years of broodwar
Since you are at best a B- level player, I can tell you what the difference is. There's moments even progamers don't get to pull off drones because they have either many bases OR other stuff to do. So if I fucking kill 10-12 drones with a nuke (the first 1 killed only an ultra, an overlord and a drone) it shuts down the expansion.. 12 drones is not just worth 700 minerals, its also 700 additional minerals to rebuild them and the time where you have 12 drones less mining.
Its totally worth it since m&m don't really is expensive.. as even progamers usually have spare minerals in TvZ late game / mid game.
But if you still want to say nukes are worthless, go on. People who can't use nukes make them worthless..
pimp hidden drone.. that does not place an expo at the nat but instead goes to the third base. idk no way Bisu should miss that. he doesnt and placed the nex immediatly
speed overlords already out for Gorush, Bisu leads hydras away with 1 DT and drops a second into the base, gets like 6 drones i think some of those were lings beforehand so its not 10 drones
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
There was no muta transition; so I'd consider it a success. Protosses getting raped in PvZ was in large part due to muta transitions wrecking their high temps; any time protoss stops that from happening they stand a good chance of winning.
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
He's no Violet.
well Gorush kinda didnt use mutas. DA fails at countering anything but Mutas, maybe defilers if youre good with feedback.
DA have a use in every scenario in PvZ, like maelstrom can be used to stop scourge from sniping observers when breaking lurker fields. Bisu tried to do this but did it half a second too late.
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
There was no muta transition; so I'd consider it a success. Protosses getting raped in PvZ was in large part due to muta transitions wrecking their high temps; any time protoss stops that from happening they stand a good chance of winning.
I didn't think storms played a huge part in Bisu winning there... I thought it was more about gorush letting him get way ahead in econ and then just macroing up a huge ball that gorush couldn't stop. Even when gorush did get a 4th set up it was shut down pretty quickly.
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
He's no Violet.
well Gorush kinda didnt use mutas. DA fails at countering anything but Mutas, maybe defilers if youre good with feedback.
DA have a use in every scenario in PvZ, like maelstrom can be used to stop scourge from sniping observers when breaking lurker fields. Bisu tried to do this but did it half a second too late.
you can also mind control ultras and feedback defilers
I doubt gorush even saw the DA until bisu pushed out; he saw goons. That generally means less HTs and more anti air which makes the DA redundant in skewing z's tech path toward hydras or lurkerling.
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
There was no muta transition; so I'd consider it a success. Protosses getting raped in PvZ was in large part due to muta transitions wrecking their high temps; any time protoss stops that from happening they stand a good chance of winning.
I didn't think storms played a huge part in Bisu winning there... I thought it was more about gorush letting him get way ahead in econ and then just macroing up a huge ball that gorush couldn't stop. Even when gorush did get a 4th set up it was shut down pretty quickly.
well yeah; the leading cause of bisu winning that game was definitely his opponent being gorush
On November 24 2009 20:10 Roffles wrote: Ehh, that DA was kinda meh. But I guess it kinda helped?
He's no Violet.
well Gorush kinda didnt use mutas. DA fails at countering anything but Mutas, maybe defilers if youre good with feedback.
DA have a use in every scenario in PvZ, like maelstrom can be used to stop scourge from sniping observers when breaking lurker fields. Bisu tried to do this but did it half a second too late.
you can also mind control ultras and feedback defilers
well maelstorming ultras seems to be much better since the DA doesnt lose his shields using maelsstorm and u dont have to research mind control ^_^
I almost said in the beginning I would have preferred to see the Free reaver all-in from Anytime instead of that lone harass, but this was way way more awesome Amazing play.
On November 24 2009 20:36 538 wrote: I predict Bisu vs Ruby. Though seeing as its Outsider, it might even be like... Hyuk vs Gorush, lol. But I hope for Boxer vs Reach
On November 24 2009 20:50 Siz)Beggar wrote: where has fantasy been ?
Sucking it up lately. Doing terribad. Guy's clearly in a slump.
what, no =(
Speaking of slumps, afreeca's slumping like mad for me. Fuck this shit. Bring back the old days man.
mine's pretty smooth
Everytime I go on a stream higher than 1000k, the stream fucking blows and craps out on me. But all the 1000k streams today are fucking terrible.
kimksj322's one is okay for me
Tried him, not satisfied with quality. Fucking terrible 1000k streams. I was on a good one earlier, but he stopped streaming and left me really pissed off.
ah recall onto the undefended facts, followed by 3 shuttle drop onto an expo, alot of tanks die to the reaver. Recall doesnt accomplish to much and neither does the drop
On November 24 2009 21:07 Crunchums wrote: Man, Outsider is such a good map. I feel like when it stops being used it will deserve an article entirely devoted to it.
yeah, too bad teams only send Zergs on it most of the time =/
best wrecking the main and 1 of DE's 2 mining bases at the same time, DE kills 1 of Best's Expos. DE still has scary big tank blob though, and his facts survive, but he pulls back to defend instead of pressing forward
Looks like DE is fucked; it's only a matter of time before he'll get run over cute drop of 2 tanks at 12 to stop mining there best 's army is wayyyy bigger though
oh man Best snipes the starport, no more vessels for DE, his factory count is pretty low as well. but he does have another base established. Best has mined out his natural, and oh god Best has like 5 hidden arbiters.
4 zlots shut down the 10 for a second, recall onto the factories again, gets cleaned up without to much damage but DE is down to about 5 tanks and isnt making many more. another recall at the 11forced to lift, Mines take out alot of zeals and scv's
On November 24 2009 21:20 konadora wrote: as i said, BeSt needed an expo to seal the deal because of DE's upgrades and tank size
it looks a bit unsafe atm
At this point Best could just stop making units and kill all of darkelf's buildings with stasis and recall ok maybe not but holy fuck that is a lot of arbiters
Damn, its almost too painful to watch everytime ACE comes so close to victory and they let it slip. Seriously, JD should go to the army now, so when he comes out he will still be young and maybe by the time he comes out Oz has learned to win without him. After all, being in ACE or being in Oz is not that different right now.
On November 24 2009 21:27 RamenStyle wrote: Damn, its almost too painful to watch everytime ACE comes so close to victory and they let it slip.
yeah it's very sad to watch as an e-sports fan
Why? They're in the freaking army and still they're able to do what they love/they're good at. Nobody really expects them to win so there's a lot less pressure and a lot more fun for them. Just my 2cc.
On November 24 2009 21:27 RamenStyle wrote: Damn, its almost too painful to watch everytime ACE comes so close to victory and they let it slip.
yeah it's very sad to watch as an e-sports fan
Why? They're in the freaking army and still they're able to do what they love/they're good at. Nobody really expects them to win so there's a lot less pressure and a lot more fun for them. Just my 2cc.
2 command centers actually cost quite a fortune ...
p/s: thanks kona for the awesome stream, just what i need for my ghetto connection =)
On November 25 2009 15:48 Aurioch wrote: How did Best zealots get stimpack lol, not literally, but I saw the VOD and it looks like his zealots were on speed
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