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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#901
On November 14 2009 16:27 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:25 ReketSomething wrote:
I just compared Nadas page to everyone else's...damn that guy is good haha

stork has a pretty beastly tlpd

If someone ever found out how to turn silver into gold, yeah Stork's page could be beastly
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#902
On November 14 2009 16:28 Elsi wrote:
Very sorry for the wrong information, but, I was told from the WCG volunteers that PJ had defeated Stork 2-1.

There was a massive cheer for PJ from the Chinese public and I asked the volunteers why they were shouting his name, and they replied that Stork had been defeated by 2 games to 1!

Once again, very sorry for the wrong information.

donate 1k to tl now and to me too
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#903
On November 14 2009 16:28 Elsi wrote:
Very sorry for the wrong information, but, I was told from the WCG volunteers that PJ had defeated Stork 2-1.

There was a massive cheer for PJ from the Chinese public and I asked the volunteers why they were shouting his name, and they replied that Stork had been defeated by 2 games to 1!

Once again, very sorry for the wrong information.


I hope you've learned your lesson. Never trust the Chinese public.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
mysticism
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada124 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#904
On November 14 2009 16:27 Bifur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:24 gk_ender wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:19 Bifur wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:17 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:12 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:07 gk_ender wrote:
On November 14 2009 15:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On November 14 2009 15:51 Spt.Worked wrote:
last thing I will post here since I can see all of you think the new school foreigners are so great.

if guys like Fisheye, Mondi, Blackman, Testie, Elky, Draco were in their youth and playing BW as much as the new foreigners at this time. They would be far far far better than what we are seeing from these foreigners at WCG. Back in the day the Foreigners were 1 maybe 2 steps behind the koreans. Today, the new crew of foreigners do not even belong to be in the same game as the koreans. Koll our last foreigner left looks like a D- iccup player vs Stork right now. That is what my point is, the old school players had more NATURAL skill bye all ~~~


Hmmm i recall boxer making blackman look like a complete newbie on lost temple at WCG.

Ok now this is where you dismiss this point and make another one.

Your an idiot, this is to the guy who thinks foreigners now are worse. Do you not realize how much the koreans play???? Since then there practice got ramped up to 10 hours at the least. Like your fucking kidding right? Do you have any idea, the royal raping new school koreans do to the old school crew? And natural talent is bs coming from a kid who has never spoken to a single good player in your life. Because they practiced the same amount as these new guys, mondragon spent ridiculous amounts of time perfecting his style. AND A HUGE FYI, new school kids just took games from pros, they do all the all the time, rets taken a game off of kal, white ra and g-5 beat boxer (which your old school kids could not do). Your lack of understanding of the scene serves as nothing but a laughing point for the rest of us.



I hope you realize that Korean Pro teams have had the same training since about 2001. The skill gap has only increased because our new foreigners are not as good as the old ones.


The old ones only seemed much better because the koreans were no where near as dominant then.. it's not about new foreigners just being worse and copying everything. Let's see all the old top foreigners come back, use smart, strategic play, and dominate? Could they?


In fact, koreans became untouchable only two years ago.

Remember the history:
2005 - Androide killed Silent_Control
2006 - Draco killed Midas and almost killed iloveoov
2007 - Pj killed Savior
2008 - Koreans are untouchable
2009 - Koreans are untouchable

savior has gotten better, and he can not hold a candle to the koreans of today. What you guys are noticing is the mechanics revolution. Bisu did not just bring the bisu build, he brought the wave of mechanic monsters. Average apm back then 300, average apm now 400, and thats apm, the eapm has also sky rocketed, spam is out, effective is in, players are waaaay better. Within a few short years after savior we now how a kespa top 30 who could absolutely rape savior back then, actually, they could rape him now, and that says a lot because hes better now then he was then.


Yes, exactly! Koreans have improved a lot after 2007 and now they are completely untouchable by foreigners.


how can u say that they are untouchable when u see in wcg and ief (major tourny's where the two meet) that the foreigners ARE talking games off them, yes not winning series but winning games none the less. ur point you are trying to make is a huge statement that connot be backed up b/c foreigners are winning games
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#905
On November 14 2009 16:29 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:27 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:25 ReketSomething wrote:
I just compared Nadas page to everyone else's...damn that guy is good haha

stork has a pretty beastly tlpd

If someone ever found out how to turn silver into gold, yeah Stork's page could be beastly

Silver is still pretty shiny =P
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Dandy4
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States493 Posts
November 14 2009 07:29 GMT
#906
On November 14 2009 16:28 TheWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:26 meeple wrote:
[image loading]


That's me btw

I have been part of the D&F scene since Nineteen Ninety FUCKING EIGHT!!! WHO WANT'S A PIECE

nice hat bragh
Who let the dogs out?
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 14 2009 07:30 GMT
#907
On November 14 2009 16:24 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:23 vRoOk wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:20 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:19 Bifur wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:17 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:12 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:07 gk_ender wrote:
On November 14 2009 15:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On November 14 2009 15:51 Spt.Worked wrote:
last thing I will post here since I can see all of you think the new school foreigners are so great.

if guys like Fisheye, Mondi, Blackman, Testie, Elky, Draco were in their youth and playing BW as much as the new foreigners at this time. They would be far far far better than what we are seeing from these foreigners at WCG. Back in the day the Foreigners were 1 maybe 2 steps behind the koreans. Today, the new crew of foreigners do not even belong to be in the same game as the koreans. Koll our last foreigner left looks like a D- iccup player vs Stork right now. That is what my point is, the old school players had more NATURAL skill bye all ~~~


Hmmm i recall boxer making blackman look like a complete newbie on lost temple at WCG.

Ok now this is where you dismiss this point and make another one.

Your an idiot, this is to the guy who thinks foreigners now are worse. Do you not realize how much the koreans play???? Since then there practice got ramped up to 10 hours at the least. Like your fucking kidding right? Do you have any idea, the royal raping new school koreans do to the old school crew? And natural talent is bs coming from a kid who has never spoken to a single good player in your life. Because they practiced the same amount as these new guys, mondragon spent ridiculous amounts of time perfecting his style. AND A HUGE FYI, new school kids just took games from pros, they do all the all the time, rets taken a game off of kal, white ra and g-5 beat boxer (which your old school kids could not do). Your lack of understanding of the scene serves as nothing but a laughing point for the rest of us.



I hope you realize that Korean Pro teams have had the same training since about 2001. The skill gap has only increased because our new foreigners are not as good as the old ones.


The old ones only seemed much better because the koreans were no where near as dominant then.. it's not about new foreigners just being worse and copying everything. Let's see all the old top foreigners come back, use smart, strategic play, and dominate? Could they?


In fact, koreans became untouchable only two years ago.

Remember the history:
2005 - Androide killed Silent_Control
2006 - Draco killed Midas and almost killed iloveoov
2007 - Pj killed Savior
2008 - Koreans are untouchable
2009 - Koreans are untouchable


you forgot 2004

xellos won 13-0
Probably most dominant wcg performence from a player ever


Didnt XellOs get knocked out by androide in 2005 as well?
+ Show Spoiler +
Yes.

wasnt that silent_control?
+ Show Spoiler +
yes


Was I wrong?

And are you right?

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes.
Breaking Bad
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
November 14 2009 07:30 GMT
#908
gogogo Bisu take this one
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 14 2009 07:31 GMT
#909
Bisu vs Jaedong... damn... geek chills
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 14 2009 07:31 GMT
#910
jaedong win so we don't have pvp finals AGAIN
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 14 2009 07:31 GMT
#911
On November 14 2009 16:28 Elsi wrote:
Very sorry for the wrong information, but, I was told from the WCG volunteers that PJ had defeated Stork 2-1.

There was a massive cheer for PJ from the Chinese public and I asked the volunteers why they were shouting his name, and they replied that Stork had been defeated by 2 games to 1!

Once again, very sorry for the wrong information.

I almost commit suicide and now you're just saying SORRY?!?!!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

20 bucks and it's even ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#912
Anyone else getting tired of this "Beyond the game" crap?
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
gorgoino18
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)109 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#913
Go Jaedong~~
지고나서 후회하지말자 - 임요환
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#914
On November 14 2009 16:31 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:28 Elsi wrote:
Very sorry for the wrong information, but, I was told from the WCG volunteers that PJ had defeated Stork 2-1.

There was a massive cheer for PJ from the Chinese public and I asked the volunteers why they were shouting his name, and they replied that Stork had been defeated by 2 games to 1!

Once again, very sorry for the wrong information.

I almost commit suicide and now you're just saying SORRY?!?!!?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

20 bucks and it's even ...


Your life isn't worth very much is it...
Jaedong :3
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#915
Just so nobody spends too much time trying to get the page to load and guess the wrong one. Bisu is FPV1 and Jaedong is FPV2.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#916
On November 14 2009 16:32 i.of.the.storm wrote:
Anyone else getting tired of this "Beyond the game" crap?

I kinda like it lol
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 14 2009 07:32 GMT
#917
On November 14 2009 16:31 jalstar wrote:
jaedong win so we don't have pvp finals AGAIN

wtf do you mean AGAIN -.- we've had 1 good PvP BoX all fricked season cause of dumb zergs so i for one want a good showing by tosses, esp cause Bisu-Stork PvP defies all logic and is always fucking awesome.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 14 2009 07:33 GMT
#918
hahaha omg i just spent the last half an horu reading through this thread after i got home, spt.worked biggest troll ever LOLOL

and SHIT i was soooo exccited when i read PJ 2-1 STORK then ppl are like wtF?? no.. wtf ./...?ELSI LIAR!!L OLol then i wasl ike lol damn.

anyway.. GO JD!
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
November 14 2009 07:33 GMT
#919
On November 14 2009 16:32 i.of.the.storm wrote:
Anyone else getting tired of this "Beyond the game" crap?

never!
blabberrrrr
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51399 Posts
November 14 2009 07:33 GMT
#920
i'd prefer pvz pvz finals instead of pvp zvz tbh.
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