In case you couldn't tell, this thread is a joke playing off the fact that no one cares about these finals. I'll update it with a real banner, real predictions, capitalized maps, and bonus content soon.
OR WILL I? See poll below.
EDIT: BUT WAIT! MSL HEAD CASTER SAYS THE MSL FINALS WILL HAVE 3 TIMES AS MANY VIEWERS AS THE OSL FINALS!
wow this is so awesome no one cares does anyone have that video where the commantator says two or three times the amount of people will be watching this then the osl hahah because that video is just too perfect for words.
On August 30 2009 12:31 blue_arrow wrote: dude you should do something for the how to watch section as well edit: too slow XD edit2: the how to watch section is the best part yet hahaha
I think it would be great if some of the Koreans that were introduced to Team Liquid at Blizzcon came to the site to see what our MSL Finals coverage is like.
On August 30 2009 12:41 motbob wrote: I think it would be great if some of the Koreans that were introduced to Team Liquid at Blizzcon came to the site to see what our MSL Finals coverage is like.
"WTF this is terrible"
lol I almost felt bad for half a second
and then I remembered how fucking funny the korean netizen comments are to us, and would guess they probably have a similar sense of humor.
On August 30 2009 13:05 Count9 wrote: I think the real question will be, is WC3 exciting enough to miss this zvz?
That fifa stuff last night was pretty good. Maybe glasses will make an arrival. I think that might of been the finals tho . Maybe they can play fifa replays.
Actually, it's easy to make fun of this, but this tournament was much more difficult then GOM, and Calm v. Kwanro is a match between A-Class gamers, not S-Class to be sure (Calm might be on the verge) but we're a bit beyond the level of Hyuk v. by.hero.
On August 30 2009 13:05 Count9 wrote: I think the real question will be, is WC3 exciting enough to miss this zvz?
That fifa stuff last night was pretty good. Maybe glasses will make an arrival. I think that might of been the finals tho . Maybe they can play fifa replays.
Where'd you find a stream for the other WCG games? All the streams I use turn off as soon as SC is over
Is anyone going to be streaming the alternative WCG games over this?
I wonder if this thread can get more posts than the WCG thread.
I'm kind of hoping Kwanro will win. This way we'll continue the tradition of a random nobody winning the MSL. Too bad Bisu beat Jangbi, or we literally could have ForGG/Jangbi/Luxury/Kwanro as consecutive MSL winners.
You are my hero :D. I am hoping for kwanro to win but tbh it would seem very anticlimactic. If Calm won it would seem better? iunno not having any big names is really depressing for the starleagues T.T
On August 30 2009 15:06 Dice84 wrote: OMFG. That is a SMALL fucking crowd. I literally laughed my ass off.
Calm worked so hard to get to the finals, he had to 3-1 JD, 3-0 Effort, go 3-0 vs terrans and this is what he gets, it's not his fault he has to play Kwanro.
On August 30 2009 15:06 Dice84 wrote: OMFG. That is a SMALL fucking crowd. I literally laughed my ass off.
Calm worked so hard to get to the finals, he had to 3-1 JD, 3-0 Effort, go 3-0 vs terrans and this is what he gets, it's not his fault he has to play Kwanro.
I second the pimp 's' placement. It's a subtle touch, and it makes you think about all the grade school projects you did where you write on real paper and print too large. At least that's what I pondered.
On August 30 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: I switched the stream link in the OP to kona's stream. Someone please let me know when Kentor gets his stream working, please.
On August 30 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: I switched the stream link in the OP to kona's stream. Someone please let me know when Kentor gets his stream working, please.
change it back
don't list it
Translate in the LR thread and I'll change it back mwahahaha
On August 30 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: I switched the stream link in the OP to kona's stream. Someone please let me know when Kentor gets his stream working, please.
change it back
don't list it
Translate in the LR thread and I'll change it back mwahahaha
On August 30 2009 15:13 motbob wrote: I switched the stream link in the OP to kona's stream. Someone please let me know when Kentor gets his stream working, please.
change it back
don't list it
Translate in the LR thread and I'll change it back mwahahaha
I actually like Calm, he's not nearly the best but I think he can become a really good player. Hopefully he will start practicing more when he wins this
Maybe I'll make some predictions for once: first game, carthage, calm goes for the 9 pool build where he hides the first six lings behind his natural mineral line, kwanro only sees the 7th through 10th lings, but blind counters anyways by making many zerglings. Kwanro defends with his 12 pool expand opener and takes the first set.
On August 30 2009 15:31 T.O.P. wrote: I just put a teamliquid.net logo on my stream cause SC2GG was streaming off my stream
rofl that is great, if you waved around a msg in notepad or something, that'd really set them off lol but i guess that wouldnt be the most prudent thing lol
On August 30 2009 15:43 Ftrunkz wrote: seriously kwanro, w t f. He hasnt lost by all means but how do you put yourself in this position when the openings are 5 pool vs 12 hat =\
This is just me theorizing, but maybe it's because he cancelled the hatchery and therefore turned it into a 12 drone vs 5 pool battle? I mean when it's 9 pool vs 12 hatch you almost can't cancel the hatchery because you will be in such a bad position there's no way you're coming back.
But with a 5 pool, the enemy has invested so much into his attack you can cancel your hatchery and come back into the game, as shown in this game.
Nonetheless it was an interesting strategy and a welcome change to the tediousness of zvz!
carthage distance is pretty long so kwanro though calm would 12 hatch most likely and that attack was stopped by calm because calm played calmly by setting a sunken and using drone plus ling to fight it off. 5 pools gets counter by 9 pool really easily
On August 30 2009 16:07 Vasoline73 wrote: So I know this is a "joke finals" but.. come on guys, enough image macros/4chan pikachus.. lol. At least keep the jokes original!
On August 30 2009 16:07 Vasoline73 wrote: So I know this is a "joke finals" but.. come on guys, enough image macros/4chan pikachus.. lol. At least keep the jokes original!
Game 2 about to start!
I guess everyone is saving their real jokes for a real finals.
On August 30 2009 16:05 wok wrote: almost 1300 on! WHOOOO
More foreigners are watching this than Koreans, I bet.
HA, I'll bet there are more than 1300 in that stadium alone
I don't know, they showed a crowd shot earlier, and it didn't look packed at all, and looked like a small venue to begin with. Though I was joking about the more foreigners than Koreans comment.
Kwanro smartly exploits the timing that he has with 2 hatcheries to spend his gas on mutas faster but with less gas banked and attacks with his higher muta count. Well played by Kwanro imo (with the exception of the failure to micro his mutas vs scourge).
It should be noted that Kwanro failed pretty hard in his Muta v. Scourge micro right before the Spores went up but I guess it didn't matter in the end.
Also that's the first time I've ever seen 11gas 10pool, I guess 12pool 11gas is too slow to defend early pool builds on Outsider due to the close rush distance?
You know, I thought this was going to be a ZvZ suckfest (in terms of entertainment), but it's actually quite awesome. Even if it is a literal suckfest.
On August 30 2009 16:18 aznhockeyboy16 wrote: wtf... kwanro suicided like 20 lings to the sunken... and then got hit by every freaking scourge... and then won...
Woah, this is some paradoxical zvz. If you look at each individual action, some mistakes were made, but taken as a whole, these two games were a great series.
On August 30 2009 16:19 So no fek wrote: You know, I thought this was going to be a ZvZ suckfest (in terms of entertainment), but it's actually quite awesome. Even if it is a literal suckfest.
it sucks that badly that its producing good games.
On August 30 2009 16:18 Crunchums wrote: How did Calm lose that muta battle????
He got a few more lings because he thought kwanro was on 1 hatch and therefore couldn't make mutas fast, but i don't think he scouted kwanros second hatch below his main one. He then sacrificed a few scourge/muta to get +1 attack, but kwanro did a timing attack with his mutas from 2 hatch and kept reinforcing.
Replay just showed 2 scourge killed a muta aswell lol.
Wow, replay shows Calm had very sloppy muta control; he got hit by a lot of scourge and also lost one needlessly that got rallied into the fight that he then didn't pull back.
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote: Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play
This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.
Not only did kwanro land two scourge hits on one muta, but in the battle after that, it seems calm lost control of one of his mutas? One mutalisk was left behind next to his overlord by calm, when doing a u-turn against incoming scourge.
On August 30 2009 16:24 calvinL wrote: these zvz's are so bad, maybe im just spoiled by jaedong's micro, but neither of these players seem like they have very good control
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote: Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play
This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote: Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play
This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote: Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play
This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.
lacking micro in a zvz? :o
Micro didn't save JD against Calm.
Still important. Strategies are countered, micro won't be truly countered.
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote: Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play
This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.
lacking micro in a zvz? :o
Micro didn't save JD against Calm.
Still important.
It was there in game 1... Calm microed his drones well to deflect the sunk rush... it's just not perfect like we're used to seeing ZvZ micro.
On August 30 2009 16:19 So no fek wrote: You know, I thought this was going to be a ZvZ suckfest (in terms of entertainment), but it's actually quite awesome. Even if it is a literal suckfest.
it sucks that badly that its producing good games.
You know, I don't think so. I'm starting to think it's just that ZvZ has got to be the hardest MU to play. Calm's played brilliantly this MSL, and overall his ZvT and ZvP are really good. Kwanro... is less impressive, but his did wreck Stork (okay, lol), Flash, and Iris to get here.
But when BOTH players have so many units moving so fast, it's just hard to keep track of and "sloppiness" increases really quickly. But is it really sloppiness, or just the fact that there's so much going on it's almost impossible to keep track of it all? We've even seen JD forget drones before.
To my mind, it's like watching Bisu harass vs, say, Stork. Bisu can handle multi-tasking that most of the time even Stork/Jangbi/free can't. Now imagine that in PvP b/c of a hypothetical way the matchup works that harass becomes the ONLY viable style. Some players (like BeSt) would immediately become terrible PvP. Nobody would be able to keep up with Bisu.
So it's not so much a case of the play being bad as the matchup being really hard (and the players not being Jaedong).
On August 30 2009 16:24 calvinL wrote: these zvz's are so bad, maybe im just spoiled by jaedong's micro, but neither of these players seem like they have very good control
i hope you know that jaedong lost 1-3 to calm..
and you can also win games just by making the correct strategical decision, kwanro didn't even micro his units but because he made his extra hatch he won by outproducing calm. Both of these players haven't shown any good micro right now
Seriously, Kwanro sucks. Having 6 Larva vs and superior Drone count he was struggling like it was all even. 5+ Mutas lost to Scourges, terrible ling defence... Luckily for him, he kept pressure and fought in enemy base, so this didn't matter too much.
Still hoping Calm will pwn him.
Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
this finals being bad is a JOKE, you don't have to take it seriously. both of these players are competent. Calm outclassed jaedong himself in a ZvZ to get here. kwanro's strategy in set one was really fucking smart, but calm surrounded his lings, preventing him from defending the sunkens, which set him hugely behind.
it's only funny when you don't take it seriously :|
edit: this is fucking serious I hope you know that, IM BEING REALLY SINCERE RIGHT NOW
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
wow, get out of here.
Arguments, please?
You have no proof to back up your claim.
Loooool your claim makes absolutely no sense. You're retarded for suggesting someone would throw away a game to the FINALS of the fucking msl
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Seriously, Kwanro sucks. Having 6 Larva vs and superior Drone count he was struggling like it was all even. 5+ Mutas lost to Scourges, terrible ling defence... Luckily for him, he kept pressure and fought in enemy base, so this didn't matter too much.
Still hoping Calm will pwn him.
Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
Are you a blind fanboy?
Calm managed to even up the drone count. And obviously with that few drones he wouldn't be able to pump perfectly off of 2 hatches.
Jeez, you must be stupid to think that iris threw away the game for kwanro. Even more stupid for dragging in the coach.
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote: Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
wow, get out of here.
Arguments, please?
I was saying the same sort of thing on the night it happened (way more idiotic shit in fact), but now looking back, Iris just plain choked.
Please, watch Kwanro vs Iris match again. This made me lose faith in any in-team series. Kwanro was beaten so bad in first and 2nd set, this was just horrible. HORRIBLE! And, then, suddenly, he started to win one after another. 5set? Just a joke, really. Even a noob like me wouldn't EVER fly with lone 10 Vessels to enemy base and die... which Iris did.
Calm's best MU is ZvT, so maybe it's the reason CJ prefered passing his own Z into finals.
So kwanro, with only 2 drone on gas opts for extra lings before lair tech, calm due to having defenders advtg. + position advtg wins the first major ling battle.
Kwanro, having inflict zero impactful dmg to calm, is behind on spire timing
Both players opt for pure offensive afterward and trade a few drone kills however since Calm's spire is 400 hp ahead of kwanro's.... his mutas take 4 drone kills and then polish off kwanro's hatching units easily. kwanro G_G's
Everything is on the line. One player battles against the odds, both against themselves, and both against each other. To go out in the fourth set has no glory, no fanfare, only a silent crowd, and a distant trophy. Both players struggle to quell their nerves, and to keep their plans in focus. The glint of a trophy is the last thing on their minds.
A fourth set is always a desperate fight. For one player, survival is in jeopardy, for the other, failure means humiliation in defeat, the loss of a mental edge, and the swing of momentum. This is the first set where both players have something to lose. For one player, defeat, and for the other, the final lifeline and the mental momentum. In the first contest where both players have something to lose, there can be no question that desperation has come into play.
When a series arrives here, one player is facing elimination, and the other is smelling blood. The first and second sets have long been forgotten, and the focus descends upon the immediacy and urgency of the moment. The result of the set is the only thing that matters, and though the outcomes of the first three games have shaped the mental game as it stands in this set, the games themselves and their lessons have been largely forgotten. One choice remains when a fourth set is reached: fight for a fifth, or surrender.
But that is merely background. A fourth set requires that both players have lost at least one game; blood has been drawn on either side. Whether a player chooses to blame his opponent's loss on a bad build or an unfavorable map, the idea that the opponent is vulnerable cannot be shaken. A player is never as sure of defeat as he is when he believes that his opponent is invincible, or better than him; that he is simply incapable of defeating his foe, no matter the circumstances. The fourth set dispatches with such notions, and this leaves the players resolved. A player who believes his opponent is invincible is in a position of hopelessness; one who believes his opponent is difficult but not immortal instead becomes desperate.
Everything is on the line. One player battles against the odds, both against themselves, and both against each other. To go out in the fourth set has no glory, no fanfare, only a silent crowd, and a distant trophy. Both players struggle to quell their nerves, and to keep their plans in focus. The glint of a trophy is the last thing on their minds.
A fourth set is always a desperate fight. For one player, survival is in jeopardy, for the other, failure means humiliation in defeat, the loss of a mental edge, and the swing of momentum. This is the first set where both players have something to lose. For one player, defeat, and for the other, the final lifeline and the mental momentum. In the first contest where both players have something to lose, there can be no question that desperation has come into play.
When a series arrives here, one player is facing elimination, and the other is smelling blood. The first and second sets have long been forgotten, and the focus descends upon the immediacy and urgency of the moment. The result of the set is the only thing that matters, and though the outcomes of the first three games have shaped the mental game as it stands in this set, the games themselves and their lessons have been largely forgotten. One choice remains when a fourth set is reached: fight for a fifth, or surrender.
But that is merely background. A fourth set requires that both players have lost at least one game; blood has been drawn on either side. Whether a player chooses to blame his opponent's loss on a bad build or an unfavorable map, the idea that the opponent is vulnerable cannot be shaken. A player is never as sure of defeat as he is when he believes that his opponent is invincible, or better than him; that he is simply incapable of defeating his foe, no matter the circumstances. The fourth set dispatches with such notions, and this leaves the players resolved. A player who believes his opponent is invincible is in a position of hopelessness; one who believes his opponent is difficult but not immortal instead becomes desperate.
Finals feel more epic when games are longer than inbetween hiatuses
On August 30 2009 16:45 iamho wrote: weird game. somehow calm ended up with so many more units despite the exact same build
well kwanro strayed away from his plan by building more lings, rather than the mutas. also calm just flanked and controlled his lings alot better which resulted in waaay more lings later on.
On August 30 2009 16:43 Weasel- wrote: Why was Kwanro's spire so late?
He got speed first, but didn't do anything with it and decided to attack an egg.
It's more that Calm's spire was early rather than Kwanro's spire was late. Kwanro got speed and lings while Calm got lair and no lings with that same money. Calm got his zerglings later than Kwanro, and just in time to defend against Kwanro's lings. Calm's build, however, is not conventionally safe against a 9pool/overpool.
calm WANTS this so bad. He's probably imagining right now the warm, and soft breasts of tossgirl's pressing hard against his body in a congratulatory hug. he HAS to win!!!
Calm playing mind games with his hatchery drone, making it look like he was just sending it to expand. Kwanro must've seen Calm's overlord though so he shouldn't be fooled because he knows Calm knew that his lings were coming.
On August 30 2009 16:59 Crunchums wrote: Calm playing mind games with his hatchery drone, making it look like he was just sending it to expand. Kwanro must've seen Calm's overlord though so he shouldn't be fooled because he knows Calm knew that his lings were coming.
hmm I thought it was to stall an extra second or so. Too bad he lost the drone in the end
calm is still at advantage, having made more drones before his pool, an earlier 2nd hatch, a sunken up in his main, and a spire in-time to defend any kind of early aggression from kwanro
On August 30 2009 17:03 GhostKorean wrote: Hmmm kwanro might go for a +1 attack :l
no, calm was ahead on gas, and kwanro is already making scourge because he's behind in muta count, only if he were going pure mutas like calm is would he go for a muta upgrade
Ugh Kwanro sends in 8-10 lings to Calm's natural but his mutas are attacking an overlord? EDIT: Wow perfect timing on the start of Jaedong vs Luxury, right after this series ends.
Noice Good Job Calm. Kwanro should be at least happy that he beat the best on MSL expect for Calm. Now its time for the MSL curse like what happen to forGG and Luxury.
On August 30 2009 17:07 prOxi.Beater wrote: GJ Calm, well deserved win.
Now switching over to watch to another zvz, except these guys are actually good at it!
oh for gods sake...
calm beat effort. calm beat jaedong. and now calm beat kwanro.
The final wasn't exactly... *good*... but calling calms zvz weak is just ... well... a blatant lie. He beat about every good ZvZ player there is (except luxury in the wcg).
You can say that the finals weren't exciting. You can say that calm/kwanro aren't exactly... fan favorites... You can say that this MSL sucked.
But ffs you can't say that calms zvz is bad, the recent data just tells the exact opposite of that.
On August 30 2009 17:07 prOxi.Beater wrote: GJ Calm, well deserved win.
Now switching over to watch to another zvz, except these guys are actually good at it!
oh for gods sake...
calm beat effort. calm beat jaedong. and now calm beat kwanro.
The final wasn't exactly... *good*... but calling calms zvz weak is just ... well... a blatant lie. He beat about every good ZvZ player there is (except luxury in the wcg).
You can say that the finals weren't exciting. You can say that calm/kwanro aren't exactly... fan favorites... You can say that this MSL sucked.
But ffs you can't say that calms zvz is bad, the recent data just tells the exact opposite of that.
Calms micro wasn't that good... He's just very good strategically (aka Smart)]
vs Jaedong his builds were so well prepared and executed and he won seemingly easily. (coupled with jaedongs practice)
vs Effort there were 2 complete bo + scouting wins. So it's hard to say he is that much better at zvz. Good mind games though.
However, winning 3 zvz best of 5's in a row with only 2 losses is not something to be taken lightly, so congrats to Calm :D.
On August 30 2009 17:07 prOxi.Beater wrote: GJ Calm, well deserved win.
Now switching over to watch to another zvz, except these guys are actually good at it!
oh for gods sake...
calm beat effort. calm beat jaedong. and now calm beat kwanro.
The final wasn't exactly... *good*... but calling calms zvz weak is just ... well... a blatant lie. He beat about every good ZvZ player there is (except luxury in the wcg).
You can say that the finals weren't exciting. You can say that calm/kwanro aren't exactly... fan favorites... You can say that this MSL sucked.
But ffs you can't say that calms zvz is bad, the recent data just tells the exact opposite of that.
Calms micro wasn't that good... He's just very good strategically (aka Smart)]
vs Jaedong his builds were so well prepared and executed and he won seemingly easily. (coupled with jaedongs practice)
vs Effort there were 2 complete bo + scouting wins. So it's hard to say he is that much better at zvz. Good mind games though.
However, winning 3 zvz best of 5's in a row with only 2 losses is not something to be taken lightly, so congrats to Calm :D.
I don't want to overexagerate calms skills but he did very good in the proleague, he really was just kinda under the radar cause Bisu/Flash/JD went absolutely nuts when it comes to proleague dominance...
But well... If you just look at the facts.. he beat about everyone there was to beat in this tournament when it comes to ZvZ... Saying his ZvZ is bad therefore is, at least, stupid.
It's ZvZ... A year ago everyone would have called it pure BO luck, thanks to Jaedong people (me included) finally could/can see that there is much more involved than building your pool/hatch at the right time.
Calm is no JD, no Flash and no Bisu... But if they all fail, someone has to take the trophy. A final between Iris and Calm would have been much better (most probably) but Calm beat about everyone with a name when it comes to ZvZ in a Zerg dominated tournament, therefore his ZvZ has to be kinda good .
And now: Let's hope for more exciting finals in the next season(s).
On August 30 2009 17:07 prOxi.Beater wrote: GJ Calm, well deserved win.
Now switching over to watch to another zvz, except these guys are actually good at it!
oh for gods sake...
calm beat effort. calm beat jaedong. and now calm beat kwanro.
The final wasn't exactly... *good*... but calling calms zvz weak is just ... well... a blatant lie. He beat about every good ZvZ player there is (except luxury in the wcg).
You can say that the finals weren't exciting. You can say that calm/kwanro aren't exactly... fan favorites... You can say that this MSL sucked.
But ffs you can't say that calms zvz is bad, the recent data just tells the exact opposite of that.
I accept this rant because you at no point try to defend, Kwanro's skills. Kwanro sucks and we all know it.
These were great finals, seriously. I had low expectations but I honestly cared who was going to come out on top in Game 4... I don't regret making the OP snarky but maybe I should freshen it up a little now that the games have turned out to be OK.
I just checked the results. Can't be bothered to watch the vods because I was sleeping when it happened live. I wonder if others feel the same, but this is like the first MSL finals in... 2 years? I haven't watched.
On August 30 2009 20:33 Shikyo wrote: I just checked the results. Can't be bothered to watch the vods because I was sleeping when it happened live. I wonder if others feel the same, but this is like the first MSL finals in... 2 years? I haven't watched.
Me too. I decided it wasn't worth watching, so I slept instead. And now when I woke up, I just checked the results, shrugged and said ''At least Kwanro didn't win''. Normally I wouldn't miss a Starleague final for the world, and if I by some chance did I would definitely watch the Vods unspoiled.
no surprises here, like the op though ;p think i'll have to watch the VODS afterall though, seems like the games were better than JD vs Yarnc. congrats to Calm, well deserved title still.
On August 31 2009 01:13 Avidkeystamper wrote: This is so sad; the games were much better than the ones in the OSL finals and people don't even care to watch them =[
It was better probably because osl finals were jvz. jvz is usually one sided rape. and jaedong was going to win his golden mouse too.
Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
On August 31 2009 02:07 JIJIyO wrote: Incircuit OSL and Avalon MSL? What are they? Never heard of them.
Yes. What is the incircuit osl.
Yeah, I know right? People keep brining up this thing called Incruit OSL, but since it doesn't exist I just call it Incircuit. Weird how these OSLs and MSLs keep getting made up.
On August 31 2009 01:13 Avidkeystamper wrote: This is so sad; the games were much better than the ones in the OSL finals and people don't even care to watch them =[
yeah this series was awesome, best ZvZ series ever. especially games 1 and 2, some of the best ZvZ ever.
I really don't get how people are saying calm played bad at all. he had a few mis-micros, but everyone does, especially in ZvZ.
On August 31 2009 05:37 ryuu_ wrote: Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
Uggggggggh, people need to realize that Calm IS one of the top zergs
On August 31 2009 05:37 ryuu_ wrote: Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
Uggggggggh, people need to realize that Calm IS one of the top zergs
I know. It's like people have been purposefully trying to avoid seeing calm play at all or see any of his results for the last 6 months.
On August 31 2009 05:37 ryuu_ wrote: Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
Uggggggggh, people need to realize that Calm IS one of the top zergs
I know. It's like people have been purposefully trying to avoid seeing calm play at all or see any of his results for the last 6 months.
Who can blame people after seeing Calm vs Darkelf @ python? An awful game, made even worse by the fact that he lost.
If you want to see how far Calm has come, then definitely watch that game. It's so bad...
On August 31 2009 05:37 ryuu_ wrote: Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
Uggggggggh, people need to realize that Calm IS one of the top zergs
I know. It's like people have been purposefully trying to avoid seeing calm play at all or see any of his results for the last 6 months.
Look what people need to understand is that Calm is just not going to get a heap load of recognition until he plays in a star league where he goes into a big Bo5 with someone other than Jaedong. ZvZ is fine as a matchup but it isn't really something legends have been built on.
If we get to see Calm in a big Bo5 against Flash/Fantasy/Bisu and he comes out on top in a series of amazing games then you will see the recognition you feel he deserves.
He plays good but I mean this MSL was just... blah... people forgot it freaking existed.
On August 31 2009 05:37 ryuu_ wrote: Congrats to Calm, he worked hard to earn this, even if hes not quite one of the top zergs. Hope to see him rise up as one of the stronger zergs in the future. And I guess Pikachu got Raichu'd. No kwanrollin
Uh what Calm is easily one of the top Zergs, and after this tournament he might be one of the top players, period
I mean he's 54-26 in his last 80 games, that's pretty damn fantastic considering he is the team's Ace.
wow I just realized that in every game besides game 3 (where both had the same BO) the winner was the one who had the BO disadvantage. I hope this helps show that there really aren't BO loses any more.
On August 31 2009 14:12 Ideas wrote: wow I just realized that in every game besides game 3 (where both had the same BO) the winner was the one who had the BO disadvantage. I hope this helps show that there really aren't BO loses any more.
ZvZ is actually a good match now, better than PvP for sure at this point.
On August 31 2009 14:12 Ideas wrote: wow I just realized that in every game besides game 3 (where both had the same BO) the winner was the one who had the BO disadvantage. I hope this helps show that there really aren't BO loses any more.
ZvZ is actually a good match now, better than PvP for sure at this point.
On August 31 2009 14:12 Ideas wrote: wow I just realized that in every game besides game 3 (where both had the same BO) the winner was the one who had the BO disadvantage. I hope this helps show that there really aren't BO loses any more.
I thought it was pretty funny that Kwanro went 9poolspeed every single game.
On August 31 2009 14:12 Ideas wrote: wow I just realized that in every game besides game 3 (where both had the same BO) the winner was the one who had the BO disadvantage. I hope this helps show that there really aren't BO loses any more.
I thought it was pretty funny that Kwanro went 9poolspeed every single game.
yea, game 1 was the funniest looking 9poolspeed I've ever seen...
EPT
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