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IGetUpset
United States2 Posts
So my question is, when you expect a reaver drop, what is your preferred method of countering, and how do you incorporate it into your build: wraith, goliath or just turrets and tanks. Sorry if it seems like a noob question, but I really enjoy using active defense but I have trouble figuring out the timing on when to get the wraith and I was wondering about the viability of goliaths as well. Thanks. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
if you detect a reaver drop and you have enough time to build a gol or wraith they're decent, but usually a few turrets and decent tank micro will be enough. | ||
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BalliSLife
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
also, if you have expo and have turret up, transfer scvs fast (f2-f3 is what i think most pros do), and then he cant get to your expansion. also vultures do full damage to plasma shields so it's okay to sacrifice 1 vulture to take out 80 hp worth of shields. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
They'll do 1 of 2 things 1. Suicide the reaver/shuttle to try to kill scvs 2. Run away and do something else with the reaver. eitehr way you profit | ||
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larryhoo
Singapore32 Posts
Sometimes Shuttle hide over the cliff and wraith can be used to explored. If in battle, i would recommend goliath to target fire. | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
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genryou
Malaysia390 Posts
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Tensei
Netherlands7 Posts
Oh, and if you can spare some mines (even though that isn't very likely seeing as you should only have very few vultures at this point), laying them in the likely drop areas can help a ton as well. | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
Otherwise if there is no chance on getting into he's base cuz of the reaver defense, ur just build up a contain with turrets and a bunker having mines in front and tanks behind in he's natural and just wait him out. Make Tanks and vulture from the factorys and expand as well, mine up ur base on weak areas not coverd by tanks. Have atleast one tank seiged up in ur main and be ready to pull back scv if he comes with reaver. This push can be quiet risky but if u read everything right u can pull it off. In worst case he goes direcly with he's reaver to ur base trying to haress u but then on the other hand u will take out he's remaning force at he's base and kill him. It's an all-in build but so is his in this case. The best and safest way to handling reaver rush is of course going fd>cc>e-bay The Gundam push seems also to be a way of dealing with this but I don't have much experience with it so I don't rly know. It totally sux against 2 gate pressur though | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
build a depot in the corner of your main to spot the shuttle early so you have more time to react. Floating your ebay around the edges of your base helps that too. The other counters to reaver drop (apart from scouting) are usually part of your build. If you went early armoury then get a gol or 2 if his expansion is slow (and if you have mines/scan) to kill DT. If you went 1fac1port build then make a wraith if you think hes going for drop. The wraith is useful anyways if you're going for map control but its quite expensive so don't lose it. Eventually you'll be using them to kill arbiters so its not a waste either way | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Had some good and funny results. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 15 2009 23:36 Adeny wrote: ^ I don't get it. Then again I thought optical flare only removed a units ability to detect. No, it gives them much smaller sight range as well. If you do this, they won't be able to see turrets until they're too close to move away without taking heavy damage. | ||
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pangshai
Chinatown5333 Posts
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
On August 15 2009 22:22 Adeny wrote: ^ Do not do the above. What will happen is you're fighting trying to get up his ramp because he hasn't expanded yet. You won't get up that ramp. In the meantime his reaver has free reign over your base and will kill every SCV. The best counter is to scout for his expo, if it's not up when you start your expansion, get an e-bay stat. This way you soft-counter both reavers and DTs because they are both a possibility. Because his expo is later than yours you can feel free to go abit heavy on the turrets. Not 8-9 turrets, but something reasonable like 3-4. Then play reactionary. There's also no need to get wraiths unless you were going for a starport build anyways, it also doesn not counter DTs. Turrets <3. Ur right. Don't do it if ur bad. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
Bro the liquipedia article you linked says 1 gate reaver counters JoyO. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
The build I've been doing lately is 1 fac cc --> starport/academy with earlyish mines (before siege if possible). This covers you against reavers and DT's provided you micro well enough. Provides around a 5:50 - 6:00 wraith and comsats a little before 6:00, which deals with any speed of DT rush or reaver that can possibly follow a goon range opening. You then have a mine/speed follow up which deals with the pressure from any 1 gate opening or continous DT's. And it lets you counter drop the protoss very quickly as well. However, against very fast reaver or DT the wraith won't be out fast enough, so if you can't scout what toss is doing early you should fast ebay and play with turrets. | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
On August 16 2009 01:41 Adeny wrote: Bro the liquipedia article you linked says 1 gate reaver counters JoyO. Dude just read again what I wrote from the beginnig. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On August 15 2009 23:36 Adeny wrote: ^ I don't get it. Then again I thought optical flare only removed a units ability to detect. You should probably stop posting advice... | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On August 15 2009 22:39 JFKWT wrote: ^ What Adeny said. Get your Ebay up right before or after your CC (if you're going for any FE build) and lay down a few turrets, defend/kill his shuttle and roll out with superior macro on 2 bases while hes struggling to lay down his natural/3rd. build a depot in the corner of your main to spot the shuttle early so you have more time to react. Floating your ebay around the edges of your base helps that too. The other counters to reaver drop (apart from scouting) are usually part of your build. If you went early armoury then get a gol or 2 if his expansion is slow (and if you have mines/scan) to kill DT. If you went 1fac1port build then make a wraith if you think hes going for drop. The wraith is useful anyways if you're going for map control but its quite expensive so don't lose it. Eventually you'll be using them to kill arbiters so its not a waste either way You should never make your ebay before your cc off 1 fact...thats horrible. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On August 16 2009 06:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: You should probably stop posting advice... The only time I have EVER, EVER, seen optical flare used was boxer's flare on observers to cloak a ghost. Why should I care about flare? There's more than enough useful information about broodwar out there for me to try to absorb, and flare isn't exactly high on my list of priorities. | ||
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JoeSumo
2 Posts
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julealgon
Brazil120 Posts
On August 16 2009 06:21 niteReloaded wrote: Here is the replay of Optical Flare vs Reaver: I loved that game. The way you used optical flare on those observers later on was really nice, it forced him to build more of them to see the spider mines. I really think this strategy should be used more. If you have more replays of you using optical flare efficiently like this one, I would love to watch them. It would be cool also to use it on the front dragoons before a push, hopefully without him noticing it. That way, you can get into siege position and have the upper hand. And since we are talking about OF, how about making 1-2 more medics to use it more often? The medic is quite inexpensive and I think spamming OF on everything could be somewhat decent, mainly on those observers/shuttles/reavers and them on the front units, since it also helps when they are walking around mines (the probability of them stepping onto them instead of destroying them is enormous if not 100%). And what about a bunch of medics drawing fire from the goons and healing each other? It is a possibility too, although it does waste a lot of energy from them. | ||
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