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[Translation] SPOILER: Jaedong vs. Bisu - Page 3

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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
June 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#41
On June 09 2009 14:13 Marine50 wrote:
Cheers man.

Such a shame that this happened. Jaedong is so much better than bisu

I just don't understand how he could have accidentally canceled it. 'Esc' key is so out of the way on the keyboard and its hard to believe he would have accidentally clicked on the cancel button.


lolz

plz die
bisu fanboy
Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#42
On June 09 2009 19:35 PH wrote:
Bisu did hold position his lurkers. It was the zealots' positioning that did him in. There was somehow still space enough to the side of one of the zealots (the right one, if memory serves correctly) that allowed the lings to pass through.

We all know how retarded SC's terrain system can be...Bisu just got gayed to the point he lost a game as a result.

As for Jaedong, don't think so little of his game sense that he would simply ignore the sair timing he knows is coming for a spire fake that would have worked two years ago. Today it is standard to get a spire and den at the same time, even if you're not going mutas. Scourge are essential for deflecting sairs.


wut
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
June 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#43
Anyone can give me the time he cancel his spire? I can't find it.
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
Kaervek56
Profile Joined August 2008
Australia273 Posts
June 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#44
On June 09 2009 20:26 yrag89 wrote:
Anyone can give me the time he cancel his spire? I can't find it.

6:30
You don't actually get a shot of the spire being cancelled, but the observer has the spire selected and it turns back into a drone.
Endrek
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
June 09 2009 11:54 GMT
#45
Interesting analysis. tx for translating this
觀過斯知仁矣.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 09 2009 12:02 GMT
#46
Now Jaedong and Bisu are even with matches lost due really bad mistake. :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
June 09 2009 12:29 GMT
#47
Thnx for the translation stryker.
+ Show Spoiler +
Also, i read you blog, yeah your ZvT is nice we've played sometimes on iccup;) i'd like to play some more games if you want to practice!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Shadrik
Profile Joined October 2007
45 Posts
June 09 2009 12:37 GMT
#48
Thanks for the translation!
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 09 2009 13:06 GMT
#49
Nice nice read.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
June 09 2009 13:07 GMT
#50
Thanks for sharing and translating this awesome article, StRyKeR. As i was a little confused and unclear about the match itself and its outcomes : )
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4728 Posts
June 09 2009 18:16 GMT
#51
Thank you so much for sharing this. I enjoy these in depth analysis of games more than anything else.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
hellhawk123
Profile Joined December 2007
United States84 Posts
June 09 2009 18:27 GMT
#52
hella good read
[xyn]
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 19:18:55
June 09 2009 19:18 GMT
#53
YES. Bisu is the best. I LOVED watching Jaedong get owned. You can blame it on a cancellation mistake but you're in denial!
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 19:25:19
June 09 2009 19:25 GMT
#54
On June 09 2009 14:24 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 13:29 konadora wrote:
On June 09 2009 13:21 mucker wrote:
Thanks!

what's han-bang?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93316

actually, i think the description on that page is slightly off
like in this post, bisu was wayyyyyy ahead, yet the word han-bang is still used
edit: i think what you were thinking of in that description is something from a situation like:

a zerg does a lot of damage to p economy (maybe kind of late into the game) but still lets p macro up a huge army (the han-bang army i described in my previous post), so that p still has a chance to win by destroying shit with the army in a last effort

i dont think a timed attack is associated with the word han-bang, but i might be forgetting something

If I remember correctly, the general definition of han-bang is actually any large attack, not necessarily related to a desperate last ditch effort.

Anyways, it was such a shame that this happened...
It is like a reverse version of Game 5 in GOM Finals.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 09 2009 19:49 GMT
#55
On June 10 2009 04:18 rushz0rz wrote:
YES. Bisu is the best. I LOVED watching Jaedong get owned. You can blame it on a cancellation mistake but you're in denial!

It was definitely all the cancellation mistake but its still very fun to see Bisu own JD
Liquid | SKT
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
June 09 2009 19:54 GMT
#56
you guys are good if you all noticed that.

I think I watched that VOD more carefully than the others, and I didn' pick that up.

Now I see why Jaedong lost so many overlords.

BTW.
The OP says that he canceled the spire to make only hydra den. It overlooks the fact that 200 minerals from spire helped fund the 2 extra hatcheries.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 09 2009 19:58 GMT
#57
On June 10 2009 04:54 niteReloaded wrote:
you guys are good if you all noticed that.

I think I watched that VOD more carefully than the others, and I didn' pick that up.

Now I see why Jaedong lost so many overlords.

BTW.
The OP says that he canceled the spire to make only hydra den. It overlooks the fact that 200 minerals from spire helped fund the 2 extra hatcheries.

2 extra hatcheries? You talk about the 4th and 5th ones, which are included in the 3hatch spire 5 hatch hydra build? Or did JD have 7 hatches at that point and i somehow missed it?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
June 09 2009 20:01 GMT
#58
Yeah Jaedong had to play catchup the entire time. In fact he never really could get a solid attack in. It was brutal to watch.

Bisu is just so on top of everything that if you make a mistake he will abuse it to no end. He could expand safely and push out with ease.


I hope flash secures the next few matches and especially if they are against these guys JUST so we can get out of this pvz stuff. I want flash back on top.
Hoo Ra!
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 20:42:32
June 09 2009 20:41 GMT
#59
On June 10 2009 04:54 niteReloaded wrote:
you guys are good if you all noticed that.

I think I watched that VOD more carefully than the others, and I didn' pick that up.

Now I see why Jaedong lost so many overlords.

BTW.
The OP says that he canceled the spire to make only hydra den. It overlooks the fact that 200 minerals from spire helped fund the 2 extra hatcheries.


I think the initial author failed to mention that Jaedong rebuilt the spire IMMEDIATELY after he canceled it (literally one or two seconds afterwards, judging from how far the spire was building when it was later clicked). This point, in addition to the fact that 3 hatch spire -> 5 hatch hydra ALREADY includes the timing to add two extra hatches, makes your point hard to defend.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 21:22:56
June 09 2009 21:22 GMT
#60
nice read, nice to see jaedong crumbling a bit too under pressure.
mistakes are human, even tho jd/bisu aren't really all that human, they still have some sparks of being human here and there.
stop comparing bisu/jaedong and saying who's better - they pretty much have 50-50% against each other and they are the 2 best players of our time, god damn it, just accept it theres 2 gods in broodwar and none of them needs to be "better".
no bo3 series or bo5 which ends 2-1/3-2 for either one does really show who's "better" just who played better in the particular day.
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