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[Translation] SPOILER: Jaedong vs. Bisu - Page 2

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ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
June 09 2009 06:24 GMT
#21
I knew Jaedong will lose the moment I saw the Spire got cancelled.

Thanks for the translation and props to the guy who makes these.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
June 09 2009 06:53 GMT
#22
Very insightful translation. Jaedong "DOH!"
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 09 2009 07:06 GMT
#23
I didn't even notice the spire getting cancelled...man i fail.
Jaedong :3
lordmordor
Profile Joined February 2009
United States209 Posts
June 09 2009 07:11 GMT
#24
I consider this basically the Jaedong equivilent of Bisu's zealot problem during the GOM special match.
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
June 09 2009 07:16 GMT
#25
why when i play i never make so depth consideration?T.T
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
June 09 2009 07:47 GMT
#26
excellent read! really loved the translation...감사합니다
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1756 Posts
June 09 2009 07:53 GMT
#27
On June 09 2009 13:34 AzureEye wrote:
Very good read!!

That spire cancel was crucial!!

But do you think he would have been able to take down HT's and engage that goon army if he got those mutas out earlier and saved those overlords?


Yea, seems like from what the author wrote, that's the idea of muta hydra response to goon temp.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 08:09:02
June 09 2009 08:08 GMT
#28
What game is this from? youtube link plz?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 09 2009 08:11 GMT
#29
On June 09 2009 17:08 CharlieMurphy wrote:
What game is this from? youtube link plz?


Don't tell me you didn't watch SKT vs Oz ~
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 09 2009 08:21 GMT
#30
Nice, thanks for translating.
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Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 09 2009 08:32 GMT
#31
On June 09 2009 14:13 Marine50 wrote:
Cheers man.

Such a shame that this happened. Jaedong is just as good as Bisu.

I just don't understand how he could have accidentally canceled it. 'Esc' key is so out of the way on the keyboard and its hard to believe he would have accidentally clicked on the cancel button.

Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
June 09 2009 08:43 GMT
#32
On June 09 2009 14:13 Marine50 wrote:
Cheers man.

Such a shame that this happened. Jaedong is just as good as Bisu.

I just don't understand how he could have accidentally canceled it. 'Esc' key is so out of the way on the keyboard and its hard to believe he would have accidentally clicked on the cancel button.


HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
June 09 2009 08:57 GMT
#33
김연우 is a real famous forum member, used to post baller analysis on pgr
returns upon momentous occasions.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
June 09 2009 09:01 GMT
#34
thanks for the translation - nice to see analysis like this
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
June 09 2009 09:11 GMT
#35
hannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn baaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggg
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
June 09 2009 09:11 GMT
#36
Great reading ~
Bisu is really 똑똑해요 !
It means, "intelligent".
Really well played by Him against 이제동 뭉 and against all players that he played.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 09 2009 09:38 GMT
#37
Thank you soooo much. I was so fucking sick of all the annoying Jaedong fanboys saying he did it on purpose...that he's too good to make a mistake like that...

Sorry kids. I'm as much of a Jaedong fan as you are, but face it: Jaedong fucked up, and took a loss for it. Oh...and you also don't understand the fucking game.


BTW
Han Bang doesn't necessarily have to be all-in-ish. It can just refer to a sudden and powerful timing attack that is intended to deal a large amount of damage to the opponent. It gets used that way by Korea commentators quite often, in fact. If it ever had an "all-in" or desperate connotation, it's been shed by now.
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bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
June 09 2009 10:19 GMT
#38
On June 09 2009 14:13 Marine50 wrote:
Cheers man.

Such a shame that this happened. Jaedong is so much better than bisu

I just don't understand how he could have accidentally canceled it. 'Esc' key is so out of the way on the keyboard and its hard to believe he would have accidentally clicked on the cancel button.


I'm sorry but I have to dispute this as blatant bias. At least qualify your comment as biased - something, anything.

Bisu made the mistake of not holding-position his zealots game 5 in the GOM special match. In game 5 of this arguably more-important series, Jaedong (99% sure until an interview) canceled his spire in a trigger-happy fluster of trying to fake out his opponent. This is what I'm guessing probably happened because if you'll remember the first probe was microed around very well by Bisu to scout but then died eventually - a second was sent out around the other way as well~

Whether or not Jaedong did it intentionally, both players have made fundamental mistakes in important games - yet obviously both have shown very consistent performance versus all the best players over time... Claiming one is "so much better" than the other seems.. unfair.

Also. Great translation, thanks.
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 09 2009 10:29 GMT
#39
nice read, bisu is SUCHHHH a cute monster! :3
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 09 2009 10:35 GMT
#40
On June 09 2009 19:19 bias- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 14:13 Marine50 wrote:
Cheers man.

Such a shame that this happened. Jaedong is so much better than bisu

I just don't understand how he could have accidentally canceled it. 'Esc' key is so out of the way on the keyboard and its hard to believe he would have accidentally clicked on the cancel button.


I'm sorry but I have to dispute this as blatant bias. At least qualify your comment as biased - something, anything.

Bisu made the mistake of not holding-position his zealots game 5 in the GOM special match. In game 5 of this arguably more-important series, Jaedong (99% sure until an interview) canceled his spire in a trigger-happy fluster of trying to fake out his opponent. This is what I'm guessing probably happened because if you'll remember the first probe was microed around very well by Bisu to scout but then died eventually - a second was sent out around the other way as well~

Whether or not Jaedong did it intentionally, both players have made fundamental mistakes in important games - yet obviously both have shown very consistent performance versus all the best players over time... Claiming one is "so much better" than the other seems.. unfair.

Also. Great translation, thanks.

Bisu did hold position his lurkers. It was the zealots' positioning that did him in. There was somehow still space enough to the side of one of the zealots (the right one, if memory serves correctly) that allowed the lings to pass through.

We all know how retarded SC's terrain system can be...Bisu just got gayed to the point he lost a game as a result.

As for Jaedong, don't think so little of his game sense that he would simply ignore the sair timing he knows is coming for a spire fake that would have worked two years ago. Today it is standard to get a spire and den at the same time, even if you're not going mutas. Scourge are essential for deflecting sairs.
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