[H] ZvT vs Fantasy Mech - Page 2

On April 29 2009 09:50 AttackZerg wrote:


It does seem like that.

A few notes about Terran economics in general that might help you to view the matchup differently.

1) assuming relatively fast expansion build, terran should run out of both natural and main minerals between 17 minutes and 21. It changes depending on builds and when they call it 'saturation' ect. This mean that the harder you engauge them while preparing a 'next level' wave of tech in mass the quicker you'll run them dry. I believe terran can max on mech 1 1/2 times off of 2 bases. So that is roughly 120-130 mech units. While with even drone saturation amount all bases zerg can have there main still mining at the 20 minute mark. So if you have 4 or 5 bases, you truely have them, while terran might be on a 'forth' but really be on 2 patches / 2 gas, just like at the start.

2) terran cannot afford enough gols and/or tanks at the same time to deal with pure hydra/ling or pure mutalisks, this includes if they get sci or valks. So your setup play (earlymidgame) is to tech in the way you want them to counter first. I like facing goliaths earlier before my huge economy picks up, so I tend to open 3 hat muta/scourge while droning very hard. This way when they do move out with 16-20 gols (if they do) then they will have at most 3-4 tanks. Some zergs do this in the reverse and force tanks -> use mutas in the earlymidgame. Either way by doing this your not only are giving yourself a soft unit counter/advantage you are making your army more cost effective, and delaying the amount of time they are on those first two bases. This will also keep there gas reserve low, so science vessels stay on the back burner longer.

3) Terran cannot afford to max out quickly or even methodically when you force them to make turrets. Turrets for minor drop harassment and for muta. So consistent harassment which delays expansions,depots,turrets will accumuate into larger economic advantages.

4) terran cannot afford to EVER have the perfect unit combination to counter your army in multiple places. Since they will get a third you must force them to defend it with tanks and goliaths. Once they do you must punish them for it.

I look at ZvMech as a boxing match. Terran might threw in a few jabs here and there with vultures but overall he is aiming right for the chin, while zerg is the fast darty/dodging fighting that is trying to setup a combo move. Muta->hydra-ling->defiler/lurker -> muta 1 2 3 4 5 6 BAM.

On April 29 2009 22:46 myst[a] wrote:
sunken main sux
3 hatch muta sux

day advice are a little old, because terran didn't play like they use to play now. Terran meca on iccup is the newiest way to get easy win on iccup.

the truth is meca is very hard and very imba to win.
you can try taking map , they are very strong to harass and kill your 200 pop without loosing more than 20.

some good zerg players use pool 12 gaz 12 at 300, then h12 expo , lair first as soon as possible when spire. timing of spire is now 5:00 instead 6:00, eco is a bit lower but you are safe vs harass. Of course you have to play very good with micro muta but it is the safest way to play.