[Help] Protoss gateway layout and managing Z rush

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

October 02 2017 01:50 GMT

I remember posting a long while back about protoss gateway positioning and I can't seem to find it. I'd like to ask again because I've been experimenting with multiple layouts and I've been having problems.

I've been doing something like this:

GGP
GGP
GGP

or

PGG
PGG
PGG

This works really well but sometimes, in some games, it will cause blocked units. Many times I would lose games because 3 cycles of units are just caught in gateways. Also, they don't go to the rally and I have to manually move them after they get stuck. It's a pain.

I've also been doing this:

GGG
GPG
GGG

This works but it's a bit messy and not as clean as the pros. Would love some advice on the best protoss layout. I understand that creating gates on the left side of a pylon is superior to the right side. I'd like to know which method is best. A method that does not block units and uses a reasonable amount of pylons to get as many gates.

With the above methods, especially the first two methods, I can get like 12-14 gates easy for one base. That's enough for one base right? in PvT, I understand you'd probably want more (how much more?). But I think it's okay for PvZ.

2. Been having a hard time dealing with PvZ. Especially when the Z does Hydra all in with a quick lurker contain. Against this, I would go one gate tech with sairs. But I can't seem to get the tech fast enough and I'm always playing catch up. I'm having a hard time because against this kind of play you need to get both the storm tech WITH obs tech. Not sure how to time it so that I am ready to fight the hydras with storm and then prepare for the lurkers. It seems like I am always behind and my tech is late for both the storm and obs, even though I am going one gate. the hydras are busting down my door before storm is ready and the lurkers have me contained for way too long.

My thinking to stop this is: open one gate into sair asap. Get citadel of adun right after Stargate. get storm tech right away after Citadel of adun finishes. Once storm is researching, get some DTs and poke with sairs AND get robo facility. Once robo finishes, get obs.

THEN, I add massive gates. Is this how I am supposed to do it? or am I sacrificing too much to get out so much so quickly? Please assist. Thank you.

Espers

United Kingdom606 Posts

October 02 2017 03:53 GMT

second question doesn't make sense, hydra allin into quick lurker contain? if you defend the hydra bust properly it's a very simple win and I can't imagine you getting contained by lurkers unless your macro or build is really subpar. if any case he's so far behind in economy you should just be able overwhelm with macro no matter what.

I would make 1 sair and only make a DT if you've killed the overlord(s) near your natural to aid with the defense. get storm whilst adding many cannons and microing probe/zealot to act as a buffer between the cannons and his hydras. go up to a decent gateway count and then move out with Zealot/HT whilst taking a 3rd and getting the robo. if you did somehow get contained add the robo and a few more gateways and use dragoon/HT to chip away at the contain (1 storm + dragoon hit kills a lurker). once you feel confident, bust out with everything with the Zealots infront.

Jealous

10114 Posts

October 02 2017 07:41 GMT

On October 04 2016 16:19 Jealous wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Gates 1] +

+ Show Spoiler [Gates 2] +

+ Show Spoiler [Other Gates formations] +

I used to be obsessed with my Gateway aesthetic. My friends called me Architect Toss.

EDIT: Just for fun, these are all Dragoon-friendly, although you may run into some traffic.
+ Show Spoiler [Gooncity] +

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

October 02 2017 09:20 GMT

yup I was hoping you would show up. Thanks mate.

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