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On January 14 2017 10:52 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:56 TT1 wrote:
Back in the prime ICCup 2v2 days, Capi was by far the best player. Main players i remember playing in those days were Capi, Yan, Westside, Nyana, Lee, Nizzy, Xiaozi/LJT(although they werent super active ladder 2x2 players), Babo, Drew, Hung, and Member (there were a few other kors but i forgot their id). I remember seeing Scan's id (iG.TatoO) on ladder 2x2 but i dont remember playing him a lot. This was around 2007-2009 btw, i prolly forgot a bunch of players but those are the main ones i remember.
I remember seeing Bella's id a lot towards ~ 2009 but by then people started switching to SC2 I played a lot. also streamed like 99% of the games. I was a rookie who had potential to become so much better just like boxer(strats inventor and some small groups micro) -> nada(micro and multitasking) -> iloveoov(game knowledge+macro) -> flash(absorbs everything of 3 old generation best terrans in their era) I would say modern 2v2 players are much better because of more optimization with the build order and micro management. also, most of 1v1 pros(talking about fish) don't want to go back to 1v1. they are carrying over their 1v1 skills into 2v2 and performing much higher quality games.
Sure there were a few up and coming players that eventually became really good (Bella for example is someone that i didnt know much about, i never played him in 08/09 but he eventually became a good 2v2er, you became a very very good 1v1er/2v2er). But in general it's hard to compare the foreign scene to the kr scene.. foreign players just stopped playing because of SC2 (the players weren't close to their peak), oldschool KR players reached their limit (lack of motivation, physical ability etc.) and just gave way to the new generation.
In regards to 2v2 play (on ICCup), the only difference i've noticed (from a protoss players perspective) is corsair play, back in the day no one ever made sairs in 2v2. Apart from that it pretty much looks the same to me (from the few games i've played and streams i've watched). Good players knew their b.o timings back in 08, our builds were optimized (like when to probe cut for certain builds, good zergs knew that overpool was much better than 9p etc. etc.).
Edit: oh yea terrans wouldn't get ghosts in tz vs pz lategame (only vessels with emp/irri), which they do now, thats different too.
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Tashadan who did I forget?
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Edit: oh yea terrans wouldn't get ghosts in tz vs pz lategame (only vessels with emp/irri), which they do now, thats different too.
are they making ghosts nowadays? For lockdown?
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On January 14 2017 13:07 shall_burn wrote:Show nested quote +Edit: oh yea terrans wouldn't get ghosts in tz vs pz lategame (only vessels with emp/irri), which they do now, thats different too. are they making ghosts nowadays? For lockdown?
It depends on the situation, nowadays i see a lot of t's stay on 1 base longer while massing up heavier on bio + vessels, so they dont get to tech to ghosts. In heavier macro games i've seen terran get ghosts w/ cloak on 2 base in the midd/lategame to snipe hts, many p's who go zeal + cannon (for z) into ht delay their robo for a very long (cus p gets maelstrom, hts/storm, lotsa tech commitment), ghosts punishes them if they do and it gives tz map control.
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In heavier macro games i've seen terran get ghosts w/ cloak on 2 base in the midd/lategame to snipe hts, many p's who go zeal + cannon (for z) into ht delay their robo for a very long (cus p gets maelstrom, hts/storm, lotsa tech commitment), ghosts punishes them if they do and it gives tz map control.
Where could I get replays of such awesome games? 2v2's that I play are quite regular due to skill level. But I also watch streams, and their 2v2's are also not so out of ordinary
+ Show Spoiler +although I've seen some cool 1v2 action today on stream
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just discvovered i got alot 2x2 replays from 2008/2009 in my autoreplay folder, which version would i need to patch it to watch?
good list all in all, zpiet should get more credit though ))
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that hirosue dude was pretty beast in 2v2 normal maps and not lame hunters where people just cannon terran all day at the junctions. hunters was the worst people just constantly fought for center control. i liked python or fs more
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On January 14 2017 19:35 kAra wrote:
just discvovered i got alot 2x2 replays from 2008/2009 in my autoreplay folder, which version would i need to patch it to watch?
good list all in all, zpiet should get more credit though ))
Depends when in 2008/2009
Patch 1.16.1 - Release: 2009-01-21
Patch 1.16 - Release: 2008-11-25
Patch 1.15.3 - Release: 2008-09-11
Patch 1.15.2 - Release: 2008-01-16
Also I'm not even sure if those patches corrupted replays or not like the old patches did
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On January 14 2017 19:35 kAra wrote:
just discvovered i got alot 2x2 replays from 2008/2009 in my autoreplay folder, which version would i need to patch it to watch?
good list all in all, zpiet should get more credit though ))
go here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Tools and look for 7x Patcher (bottom of the page).
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thx for the help, is bwchart still the best to check replays without loading them up ingame?
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TT1 have you ever seen a 2v2 where Ghosts lockdown Reavers and Shuttles? Or nobody does it?
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I havent seen that because reaver is early game tech (and its mostly done on maps like python).
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@Shall_Burn- Another cool thing I saw on Twitch is Babo using Ensnare a lot in 2v2 to help his Protoss ally against M&M. It is like Babo is a little bit smarter than the other Zergs on the 2v2 ladder.
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Yes, he is definitely smarter than the other zergs.
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Zergbong was the best there ever was.
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On January 19 2017 02:34 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
@Shall_Burn- Another cool thing I saw on Twitch is Babo using Ensnare a lot in 2v2 to help his Protoss ally against M&M. It is like Babo is a little bit smarter than the other Zergs on the 2v2 ladder.
That, and in recommended games of Reach (iirc) on liquidpedia there is a game where he uses D-Web to a great extend in 2v2.
Looks like 2v2 opens a way to many spells and units that are underused in 1v1.
E.g. all sorts of funny strategies that mr Wtii is using in 4v4RT that would never be viable is solo play. That's WC3 of course, but the situation seems to be the same.
I wonder if this is because you can rely on your ally, or any other reason?
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Guys who is Veg? I read that the Canadian player Veg was Testie's old ally in 2v2. Did Veg play mostly 1on1 or 2on2?
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On January 13 2017 18:10 TaShadan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 14:57 shall_burn wrote:
Was 1v1 more important, spectacular, entertaining or something? I've just imagined pro scene being all about 2v2, not 1v1. Like, what if BW evolved in team-work direction.
Although i played a lot of 2on2 in the past: yes.
Come on there are so much cute works by 2v2 teammates u can see in game you cant never have that in 1v1. 2v2 have much diversity on builds, its more action packed and stuff, good 2v2 game can be as spectacular as 1v1 it have its own unique values, its just not been played as much as 1v1 so not as developed.
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On January 20 2017 03:58 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
Guys who is Veg? I read that the Canadian player Veg was Testie's old ally in 2v2. Did Veg play mostly 1on1 or 2on2?
Veg was a Canadian Terran player. He was on [pG] and used the ID Veg[pG]
He mostly played 1v1 but played 2v2 as well.
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