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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 15 2010 04:39 GMT
#161
Guardians.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 20 2012 08:19 GMT
#162
It's been two years, this is due for a bump.
Also, it's important to note that this strategy is disadvantageous against Terran, supporting the long-held belief that terran is a so-called "imba" race.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
BadgKat
Profile Joined June 2011
United States156 Posts
June 20 2012 12:23 GMT
#163
Does any one know if this sweet strat is still viable? I'm thinking of switching to BW.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 20 2012 14:47 GMT
#164
On June 20 2012 17:19 Lightwip wrote:
It's been two years, this is due for a bump.
Also, it's important to note that this strategy is disadvantageous against Terran, supporting the long-held belief that terran is a so-called "imba" race.


LOL oh you

(and I think this strat is weakest vs P actually, especially because a wily Protoss opponent can give you a taste of your own medicine! So really P is toi ez)

1a2a3a is a thing of the past! All behold the advent of click b c click click b c click!
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 20 2012 15:41 GMT
#165
On June 20 2012 23:47 ]343[ wrote:
1a2a3a is a thing of the past! All behold the advent of click b c click click b c click!

Inferior tactics detected.
Truly great protoss will laugh at your pathetic show of weakness for such a foolish mistake.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 20 2012 15:44 GMT
#166
On June 21 2012 00:41 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:47 ]343[ wrote:
1a2a3a is a thing of the past! All behold the advent of click b c click click b c click!

Inferior tactics detected.
Truly great protoss will laugh at your pathetic show of weakness for such a foolish mistake.


noooo you have to wait for probe #1 to arrive to the cannon spot, so you select a second probe to build another one (otherwise your cannon building is too slow, and your opponent may be able to exploit your lack of cannons!!!)
Though once your probe arrives, you can certainly just b c click b c click b c click with probe #1, and b c click b c click b c click with probe #2.

True gosus have the multitask to build cannons with up to 10 probes at once!!
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:47:32
June 20 2012 15:47 GMT
#167
ahh but the TRULY great protoss have already positioned their probes for OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY in cannon placing so that they can effortlessly place more than one down within microseconds.
+ Show Spoiler +
besides, TRULY great protoss use hotkeys because every click that is not a cannon is a wasted click. CANT BE SO CARELESS
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 20 2012 16:11 GMT
#168
I have a variation of this build in which I transition into scouts.

But I guess that's not saying much, since all modern strategy transitions out of this.
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DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
June 21 2012 01:43 GMT
#169
I heard that the entire motivation behind developing SC2 in the first place was to nerf the photon cannon so no-one could abuse this build anymore. From a reliable source.
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
littlefighter
Profile Joined February 2011
43 Posts
June 21 2012 02:42 GMT
#170
I struggled against this build so many times but I think I finally got the counter. You do nexus first at 8 supply and then you make cannons around both your bases.

Two bases = 2x more cannons than 1 base. EZ
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 21 2012 06:26 GMT
#171
On June 21 2012 11:42 littlefighter wrote:
I struggled against this build so many times but I think I finally got the counter. You do nexus first at 8 supply and then you make cannons around both your bases.

Two bases = 2x more cannons than 1 base. EZ


You have to be really careful with the timing here, as he'll have some more probes early; on a map with short rush distance, he might be able to gain an advantage in space here, allowing him to build a large concave of cannons before your economic advantage kicks in!

I find that it isn't until about 30 minutes (well after the no rush agreement ends) that your cannon count finally overtakes that of an opponent using this strategy. But with gosu macro, maybe you can do it faster!!!
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 21 2012 07:26 GMT
#172
Your pylon, gateway, and forge timing will be significantly set back. Should you be up against a protoss whose probes function at OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY, you will find yourself in quite a bind. However, with clever diplomacy, a NR20 can become a NR30, and the scales are suddenly tipped in your favor.
It's the little things that seperate the best from the best Protoss.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10551 Posts
June 21 2012 20:56 GMT
#173
my build usually involves a faster forge timing to better optimize my cannon timing. there's this really small window where your opponent can try to kill your probes, so i usually open with a 4 pylon into 5 forge to minimize the timing as much as possible.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#174
If you know that your opponent is not going to rush, why not just double forge so you double your cannoning?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
June 22 2012 01:05 GMT
#175
I'm a Zerg that's recently been demolished by this tactic, and I've taken a good look over the replay.
It seems the builds biggest weakness is the time between the start of the game, and when the first cannon finishes building.
Is there any way I could exploit that with a timing attack?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 22 2012 01:13 GMT
#176
On June 22 2012 10:05 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm a Zerg that's recently been demolished by this tactic, and I've taken a good look over the replay.
It seems the builds biggest weakness is the time between the start of the game, and when the first cannon finishes building.
Is there any way I could exploit that with a timing attack?

Not without cheating because it's NR20.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10551 Posts
June 22 2012 03:18 GMT
#177
On June 22 2012 10:13 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 10:05 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm a Zerg that's recently been demolished by this tactic, and I've taken a good look over the replay.
It seems the builds biggest weakness is the time between the start of the game, and when the first cannon finishes building.
Is there any way I could exploit that with a timing attack?

Not without cheating because it's NR20.

And if you do cheat then you will be outcasted from the whole of the Brood War community for the rest of your cheating existence.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 22 2012 03:27 GMT
#178
On June 20 2012 21:23 BadgKat wrote:
Does any one know if this sweet strat is still viable? I'm thinking of switching to BW.


Yes, this strategy is quite popular, especially among pro-gamers because the range of the photon cannons provides an excellent opportunity to push with static defense. A good game to watch for this is Jangbi vs Turn on Neo-Triathlon.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 22 2012 12:45 GMT
#179
Oh god ! I forgot about this !

Even the stove can't beat this strat !
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10551 Posts
June 22 2012 16:35 GMT
#180
On June 22 2012 12:27 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 21:23 BadgKat wrote:
Does any one know if this sweet strat is still viable? I'm thinking of switching to BW.


Yes, this strategy is quite popular, especially among pro-gamers because the range of the photon cannons provides an excellent opportunity to push with static defense. A good game to watch for this is Jangbi vs Turn on Neo-Triathlon.

Does this game even exist?
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