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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
EDIT: Not including proxy ZvZ: hydra/queen ZvT: muta/queen, queens in general, hydra/ling ZvP: ??? ZvX: 1base muta, 9 pool, BURROW RUSH TvZ: metal, fast mm drop TvT: mnm rush, mass wraith, marine/scv rush TvP: marine/medic/ghost/vessel, wraiths, mmf drop TvX: nuke rush, floating factories onto cliffs PvZ: sair/reav (sort of), goon/reav, Anytime-style mass dt, scout rush instead of sair rush PvT: sair/goon, STOVE PvP: sair/reav PvX: 1base carrier | ||
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paper
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thedeadhaji
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
ZvZ: I'd say hydra/lurk/queen (get lurks and queens depending on his concentration of lings and mutas) is the only one. In so far as I can tell, basically all build orders are viable depending on the map. ZvT: Queens yes. I'd say also changing build orders like 12 pooling and 9 pooling and playing 1 base Zerg. In terms of late game also I've been experimenting with changing between heavy macro styles (sometimes reminiscient of the old school Sauron Zergs) and extremely micro intensive fast defiler styles. I really like watching Anomia for his micro intensive style. Also, ling/hydra, though not particularly effective unless you have art timing is very unusual and still *somewhat* viable (look at Shark vs GF). ZvP: Again I'd say 1 base Zerg, and again I say using 9 pools. 9 pool is very rare these days and plays very differently during the early game. TvZ: Metal for sure. I'd also add other ideas. Going early wraiths has become very unusual now. Also everyone plays FE or all-in rush these days. More old school 2 rax/1 fact pushing and 1 base fast mnm drop are good and not so common. BC's are surprisingly good except against defilers (remember, upgraded BC one shot kills a scourge). You can also try rax floating if you are devilish. TvT: mnm rush also for sure. Mass wraiths too. ^_^ TvP: Again mnm use. Late game add vessel make sure to EMP HT/arbs. Using ghosts TvP is art, even if you are using them in the standard way. Also, nuke rush and other nuke strategies. I angered a friend recently by killing his main nexus and later killing an expo with nukes. LOL (EMP on nexus + 1 nuke does the trick). I went fake double into 4 factory first so he wouldn't suspect anything and so I could defend normally while still having econ for the nukes. PvZ: Goon/reaver isn't so common but very good. 3 gate dts is art. Sair/reaver is actually pretty common but still fun. PvT: Sair/goon, Stove, but ALSO 1 BASE CARS!!! PvP: Again 1 base cars! More mid/late game you can also do mass reaver and even reaver/sair (dweb enemy goons/reavers and your reavers eat his zeals anyway so don't worry about them). | ||
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ShabZzoY!
Great Britain760 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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zergc1
Zimbabwe961 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25998 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I dunno... I just find that if you think about the game, you don't always have to play standard. I dunno - - Those that have played me should understand. The only way I've beaten good players is through non standard play... or rather, I just haven't played standard since WAYYYYY back. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
TvP 2 port wriath: Yeah, because normal toss hardly ever gets goons with observers. O_o TvT m&m rush: Any terr who scouted m&m will mass vults and you stand NO chance whatsoever. It's like trying to kill lurks with probes they just suck at it. Maybe try 2 rax rines and rush with scvs before any vults can come out. If you wait for medics... it's bad. TvP ghosts: yes, it IS art. And not everyone can do art. So you make the call on that one. Nukes are lol vs any good toss. You might get one through but if he takes more then he was a noob anyway, and anything would have worked. Maybe if nobody saw any boxer replays it would have a higher rate of success but whenever I see ghosts i just add 2 canns more to expos and relax. So things that actually work? I'll set them in order of WOW-ness. a) TvZ two port wriaths into 5 port wriath (LOL!). Someone did this tho I don't remember who. You need the following ingredients: 1. good defended entrance, so lings won't go through, so you don't have to spend money on defence. 2. good micro, as you'll have to keep those bitches ALIVE and MOVING if you want to stand any change. 3. an adversary who's confident enough not to mass-spore. Eventually you'll end up with tons of minerals, in which case you lay down 6 barrax and mass m&m. If he goes anything but hydra and you're a decent player this CAN work. b) PvP horror-gates. I don't know how this is actually called but I've seen it done a lot in romanian-tournamets. It's like proxy-gating, except you do it in his base, in plain sight. You need: 1. To scout with 5th-6th drone and find him very fast 2. Have REALLY good zeal-micro 3. Understand PvP (your zeals should come just about when his come out, but he has an obvious economic advantage, so you need to even that out by killing probes. as your army increases try to take down lonely zeals and don't fight unless you can win or you absolutely have to. It will work on players with poor-er micro, or on idiots who think you're joking and stay on 1 gate.) c) PvP gates-in-base. I did this a lot on pgt cuz everyone was using the standard gate-cyber-gate-robo strat. Get one gate at home and 2 hidden in his base. If he's cocky and gets goon first you win, if he gets zeals try to keep them hidden as much as possible. Probably won't work if he spots them fast and gets a second gate before cyber core, or stops mining gas and basicly knows what he's doing. But it WILL work vs all those PGT players who play one-strat and just freeze when they see something new. d) One-base PvT. This works but doesn't usually kill. You can get just about anything: Carriers/Speed lots/3-4 drops like grrr did (2 reavs, 4 dts, 2 goons, zeals lol). But you have to expo as soon as you attack to make sure you make up for a lot of lost time. e) m&m vs toss: Works if he doesn't know what's comming. The way I do it is when playing random vs toss. I get terr and start up 10/12 barrax. When he scouts just kill probe and then get 8 scvs and 4 marines and rush him. Keep marines coming. He might have zealot which is GOOD because you have all those scvs to keep him busy. If you get in get bunkers and expo back home (don't gas, just expo). You should get there when he has 1, 2 goons tops to get some real damage done, also marines have to keep coming (by the time you re-group in front of his base you should have 5-6 or more to climb up his ramp). (special thanks to niai for showing me this one) Might work with medics too but cannons/2 gate goon+range/reav/dt/templar... are just too many things to handle. Basicly if he gets storm/reaver and you didn't do damage you're screwed. f) 1base anything vs zerg: hard but doable. I did 4 dt drop, corsair then 3dt drop, and my favourite: reav+dt drop. It takes a huge ammount of gas but it's just SO FUN. If he hasn't got any overlords at his main dt+reav own HARD. Then have storm ready and take 2 templars to his nat, killing drones there too. If you manage to do damage to main AND kill drones at expo he should be pretty much dead. Feel free to grab the expo when you drop his main with a few canns, just to be sure. g) m&m drops vs toss. That is much different than straigt-m&m. I had it done to me a few times either by dropship or getting barrax in my base (like on 6-9 LT). The terran build looks normal so toss isn't expecting anything fancy. So he will probably not get any canns at main. However you have to kill a decent number of probes to make up for your weird build-order. Pretty cute though. Should have 2-3 firebats. I will write more as remember them, if anyone things they're good. | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Empyrean
17057 Posts
We should game sometime again. I've been improving my PvZ (though you won't see it from the game I played against decaf) while letting my PvT slide so I could game with you (I finally lost a PvT against a friend, though it was 12v3 LT). | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
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AiurZ
United States429 Posts
he opened 2rax, then gets a fast factory proxied outside his base. he floated the factory into the zerg base and tries to hide it and get some vultures to harass with, and once they discover the factory, he floats it onto their cliff to get machine shop and tanks, so he can siege the zergs nat. meanwhile, he got a starport right after his factory, and builds a wraith to harass with. while this is all going on, he gets an academy and a control tower and dropship, and then he usually drops 6 firebats and 2 medics onto the zergs mineral line, although sometimes he chose to do just a regular m&m drop. it was the most jaw dropping thing i had ever seen. | ||
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Alborz
Canada1551 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
i've done that a few times. :O | ||
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decafchicken
United States20158 Posts
On August 25 2006 12:06 GrandInquisitor wrote: wtf is the pod How do you not know the pod????? TvP Grot Push ftw! | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6775 Posts
All hail the emperor. Oh and the manifesto crusher, ofcourse. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On August 25 2006 15:13 Night[Mare] wrote: lol @ the horror gates.... doesnt seem very good into my eyes T.T Well the reason I named it that is that it kinda confuses your opponent. This is what happens. You start building in his base, he can either pull probes and attack pylons, in which case it's just like you would be manner-pyloning him, or just try to overpower you. Now if your micro is inferior, don't try this, but if you're better than he is, it has a winning chance. Zealots will start popping up right in his base. That's 1-2 seconds away from his workers. You've all seen how ra (for example) would harass with 1 proxy-gate and gain advantage, why can't it be done with TWO gates and a lot closer? The important thing is not losing your zeals. If they lose shields just circle them around till they grow some back, or even better try a shield battery. If you get 1-2 probes down with first zeal, and then 2 more come out and you kill 3-4 more probes (hard but doable), then you already have advantage. All that's needed after that is to keep pumping zeals until you can take him. I'm not telling you to go out there and do this to see if it works. But do try it with some friend in a game, you'll see it's not that hard to micro/macro, when everything is in one place but the nexus. I wouldn't put this out there if I hadn't seen it work more than once. I did it to people and it has been done to me. I lost to it a few times, I over-powered it a few more times, I made it work a few times and I lost because of doing it a few times. But all-in-all is just so much fun to see his reaction. Also, as a small party trick, this could be done with manner pylons, just get one and then start building around it, then get one more. Only problem is that it can be easlily attacked by probes. Anyone remember MrX vs (don't know who, think it was nazgul?) 6/9 lt when toss did manner pylons then gateways and harassed terr with zeals? | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
On August 25 2006 11:55 ryuGie wrote: the pod lol i love you | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On August 25 2006 19:31 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Cubedin if your getting 2 gates in a his main with one pylon RIGHT in view, they could easily kill the pylon ;p Yes, but you're getting it about the same time he does (as i said, you have to find him fast, like 12-3 LT), so in order to kill it, he needs to take probes from minerals. At that stage of the game taking 3-4 probes off minerals is devastating to your economy provided you got like... 10 in total. And if attacker sees the pylon going down he can just make another one. It's just like losing a manner-pylon, it doesn't affect your income as much as it affects his. And if your zeals start coming out, an unexpecting player could panic. He wants to take out pylons and gates, but he has to chase your zeal. Meanwhile other zeals are coming out and his production sux because of constantly moving his probes around. Just trust me, this has been done by better players than me. As I said, maybe someone remembers the mr.x replay (t6 p9 @ LT). It has been done vs terr and worked. RpG.Andrei (aka porc / andrei[clf]) did this vs MgZ)RyKo in a romanian tournament (although it failed). ReK-AFM- did this to me and won (i got plain out-microed), andrei used it most times vs other romanian players. And he is a good toss, some of you might know him. Basicly, what I'm saying is that it's not just a noob-bashing strat, it's actually a viable idea. I'll scavage for replays tomorrow and try to share some, but just don't diss it untill you've tried it. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
MORE SUGGESTIONS PLEASE i love this stuff | ||
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I_are_n00b
196 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
However it does show:a) that good players do it (kekeke) b) the build order and timing (notice that they're getting built in about the same time) c) that a minor slip-up can kill. [url blocked] | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On August 25 2006 19:57 I_are_n00b wrote: Yeah, it's been done, seen it a long time ago in the 2003-best-replays package or something. Intro clan pvps. Your pylon comes a few seconds later than theirs, but overall it doesn't make much of a difference. If they pull probes off (which happens) then the guy just rebuilds his pylon, 4 porbes no mining is more costly than 1 pylon. I've seen two situations, one where the guy wins after doing this, and another the game drags on and by the time all the pylons are destroyed (at least stop him from building before you can leave your base), he has cannons at his nexus. I've seen the other player then build cannons and actually manage to kill his nexus, but the player that built manner gateways hit reaver tech really quick and eventually won through a long dragged out game. Haha, yes, I wanted to describe those two replays myself, but I thought I'd get lost in phrases. You've done a good job though, thank you! (although I think both were won by reavers in the end, it's just that the second one took longer; not sure though, my memory might be failing me) | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
edit: also might work in zvt too, gotta sunken up though | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
Anyway you just set up your lurkers staggered at the choke, buy time while you broodling all his tanks and he is stuck with nothing but MnM + Vessel to escape. Its gas intensive of course and I think the best thing to do with it is expand wrecklessly everywhere and then switch to ultra. Also before anyone says "Oh that will never work." YEAH its not really used for a reason, but this shit is unorthodox and frankly its half viable and half joke. Like I said, if you get ahead and can slightly predict your opponent doing 1Fac/1Star with a lot of marines then go ahead and try. 3 Hat fast adrenaline vs Toss on maps with mineral only as first expansion(Nostalgia, Rivalry). 1hat hydra as a counter to fast tech terran.. Thinking about this makes me realize that back in the day a lot more random shit could work because people werent so good and using such tight openings all the time. I think as unorthodox as things get now are hard rush/all in openings or interesting guerilla use of units(Ling/Zeal counters, etc). Edit: 3hat fast Guardian on Lotem ZvT, add in hydra eventually and then its kinda like Guard/Hydra. I used to play this way exclusively back in like 03, and I had decent success. Its not uncounterable, but its definitely a more solid unorthodox strat. 9hat/9pool(Before overlord) is a pretty CrAzY ZvZ opening. Overwhelm with lings. Its somewhat solid too and even counters a few things quite well. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On August 25 2006 20:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: 8 minute hive turtle zvp, no lair units, only zerglings at start then upgraded ultralisks, edit: also might work in zvt too, gotta sunken up though This sounds interesting, care to upload a sample? | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Aukai
United States1183 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Also, that odd build with fast defiler/lurker drops that paul did a lot back when he played. Very powerful, and not mainstream at all. What ever happened to paul? I heard he had some permanent eye damage or something. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
also in pvz... the classic dark archon counter to lurker (or queen haha) mass dragoon after fe is also cool to do (hurts like a bitch or z isnt ready for it) double gate @ 9 is also quite fun ive also seen a brute force x3 archon strategy with minimal zeal against a triple base zerg in pvt; My incredibly fast dt drop (basicly 2 goons w/o range, robo + citadel at around the same time, and u should have 2 darktem when ur shuttle pops out) 5 goon + 4 speedlot rush Triple gate with leg speed Carrier Jack (basicly get one carrier after securing an expo, hiding the stargate and fleet beacon and harass the terran with one carrier and pummel him to death with goon/zeal (because there wont be alot of mines)) PvP; 4gate arbiter (mass goons off 4 gates and get arb + stasis and crush his expo by freezing ramp or obs) ZvP; 4 hatch mass ling/crackling rush thats about all i can remember now | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
This one requires some experimenting for even a decent chance of it working. You need to develop a build which starts off as 8 rax then transitions into a normal FD build. I had a pretty good version which gave me a tank and 4 rines with vult and mine coming 30 seconds faster than normally would, so this combined with 12 scvs is the pwn. If your initial rush doesn't work you're rpetty much screwed because you have hardly any scvs, but its still fun. I just looked at this rep and my fact was start at 2:11 which is like XD Then squeezing money to try and get mines and vult and 4 marines and it worked lol. PvT; In close positions like 6/9 LT you can try a reaver + dt build. Its hard to stop him from finding out but its funny if you can pull it off. Reavers kill turrets and dts kill everything else. Ultra gas heavy and requires experimenting with BO's again. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 26 2006 03:00 skyglow1 wrote: why dont u just do that incredibly gay command center float mnm bunk rush bullshit you tried against me T_T!TvP: This one requires some experimenting for even a decent chance of it working. You need to develop a build which starts off as 8 rax then transitions into a normal FD build. I had a pretty good version which gave me a tank and 4 rines with vult and mine coming 30 seconds faster than normally would, so this combined with 12 scvs is the pwn. If your initial rush doesn't work you're rpetty much screwed because you have hardly any scvs, but its still fun. I just looked at this rep and my fact was start at 2:11 which is like XD Then squeezing money to try and get mines and vult and 4 marines and it worked lol. PvT; In close positions like 6/9 LT you can try a reaver + dt build. Its hard to stop him from finding out but its funny if you can pull it off. Reavers kill turrets and dts kill everything else. Ultra gas heavy and requires experimenting with BO's again.  i cant beleive u actually won that game | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 25 2006 20:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: 8 minute hive turtle zvp, no lair units, only zerglings at start then upgraded ultralisks, edit: also might work in zvt too, gotta sunken up though lol, ultra are way overrated | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
And you've played bw for how long? Ultra are like the most cost-effective unit in the game next to carriers if used properly. In order to be "way overrated" they'd have to suck, which they don't. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
BURROW RUSH is so freakin' underused in ZvT/P, it's so freakin' awesome | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 26 2006 06:22 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote: And you've played bw for how long? Ultra are like the most cost-effective unit in the game next to carriers if used properly. In order to be "way overrated" they'd have to suck, which they don't. Ultra are strong off a big economy, they are not exactly cost effective vs say archons or 2-3 fac tank fe terran, 5-10 ultra+lings which is what you'd get with 2 gas /w upgrades, any lot archon fe toss or fe terran 3-4 rax 2-3 fac teran easily beats it. Also put this is account, it only takes what 5? slightly microed hydra to beat an ultra, however ultra/ling will own hydra, ultra are good for taking damage with cracks doing it. P.S Take into account the " " meaning my post wasn't completly serious (or thats how i use it T_T) but i still think they are overrated especially on their own. (cracks are the shit too)also carriers aern't cost effcient if they are alone and vs scourges, it all depends. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 26 2006 11:39 GrandInquisitor wrote: added some more BURROW RUSH is so freakin' underused in ZvT/P, it's so freakin' awesome YES! Although I perfer to do it off 12 hatch zvp <3 (outside ramp for when they break out to expo ^^) | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2766 Posts
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Koldblooded
United States661 Posts
On August 26 2006 14:56 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't know the exact build order but a chooja build is basically a pool that is just fast enough to get 6 lings up his ramp before he has two zeals in place to block it and rushes speedlings at the same time. The idea is to have 6 lings which will soon hit speed in his base and harass the hell out of him. Can work if you have good micro and don't lose lings but then again if he has decent micro and keeps his calm (blocks ramp, puts out zeals at probes then chases your lings efficently then goes all in) it can lose you the game fairly quickly too. mind trying to find a rep plz? Sounds intersting | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On August 26 2006 14:56 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I don't know the exact build order but a chooja build is basically a pool that is just fast enough to get 6 lings up his ramp before he has two zeals in place to block it and rushes speedlings at the same time. The idea is to have 6 lings which will soon hit speed in his base and harass the hell out of him. Can work if you have good micro and don't lose lings but then again if he has decent micro and keeps his calm (blocks ramp, puts out zeals at probes then chases your lings efficently then goes all in) it can lose you the game fairly quickly too. is this a gas first build? it sounds familiar | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
Basically you do whichever pool (9 pool can work 12v3 LT but other than that you need 8 or even maybe 7) required, then harass to no end (once that speed kicks in you should break into 2 groups of lings in his base, harassing probes and buildings simultaneously to force him to sweat a bit and hopefully make some critical mistakes regarding zealot locations) and slowly build up to a 2nd hatch, then once that's up get the drones to re-gas and tech to muta asap (while still playing a low econ, ling heavy game). For it to work you usually need close positions but generally you just need to harass enough to keep his econ too low to tech. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On August 26 2006 13:05 Slayer91 wrote: Ultra are strong off a big economy, they are not exactly cost effective vs say archons or 2-3 fac tank fe terran, 5-10 ultra+lings which is what you'd get with 2 gas /w upgrades, any lot archon fe toss or fe terran 3-4 rax 2-3 fac teran easily beats it. Also put this is account, it only takes what 5? slightly microed hydra to beat an ultra, however ultra/ling will own hydra, ultra are good for taking damage with cracks doing it. P.S Take into account the " " meaning my post wasn't completly serious (or thats how i use it T_T) but i still think they are overrated especially on their own. (cracks are the shit too)also carriers aern't cost effcient if they are alone and vs scourges, it all depends. Well I did say "if used properly". I ment if used at the right time with the right combination of units. In late game ZvP, I don't think any other combo of units will cut it against a good toss. Hydras die to storm to easily, lurkers are crap in mid-field (not contain). Mass lings die to archons like pudding, air is like begging for maelstrom, and drops are just too easy to storm. Might get away with swarm/lurk vs terran, but ultras are teh pwn. And yeah, lings are most often the right combo to use, because of their rate of damage vs the under-powered late-game toss units. And I have lost many games when underestimating zerg's economy. (like taking out his main/expo) and leaving him with 1 gas + 1 mineral only, then getting overpowered by ultra/ling because of his stack of gas he's been saving T_T. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 27 2006 02:01 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote: Well I did say "if used properly". I ment if used at the right time with the right combination of units. In late game ZvP, I don't think any other combo of units will cut it against a good toss. Hydras die to storm to easily, lurkers are crap in mid-field (not contain). Mass lings die to archons like pudding, air is like begging for maelstrom, and drops are just too easy to storm. Might get away with swarm/lurk vs terran, but ultras are teh pwn. And yeah, lings are most often the right combo to use, because of their rate of damage vs the under-powered late-game toss units. And I have lost many games when underestimating zerg's economy. (like taking out his main/expo) and leaving him with 1 gas + 1 mineral only, then getting overpowered by ultra/ling because of his stack of gas he's been saving T_T. yep, but the right time is not from 2 base TT also the whole TL.net seems to think once they get ultra its gg right there - its not, if toss and zerg have even bases I would consider chances around even (depends on players) at least is toss makes use of the right units (reavers aer a damn bitch T_T) Yes z uses ultra ling to fight toss but doesn't mean it owns toss. (Although i am a hydra/ling/lurkish style user I won't argue hydra don't suck vs toss and i'm certainly not good enough to do so) | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
2 or 3 stacked lurkers owns lings so hard. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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neSix
United States1772 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
double expand with zerg early like hatch - pool - hatch taking two natuals on a map like LT.. Goliath/Vulture(mines)/scan TvP (NTT vs ForU) Scout rush should be included in PvT aswell.. And extremly fast lurk drops using slow overlord etc is also to be added | ||
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
5hatch lings before lair = rodfldfwtf anyway he contained me cause hesa noobieface and i raped him with 23123 lings | ||
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
Also, one strat that seems extremley viable is the Maeltoss(I think it's called that..) in PvZ, the toss FE's, then they use a combination of Zeal/Dragoon/DarkArchon, and they use nothing but Maelstrom and just run over the frozen units with speedzeal/goons. But, I'm not sure this would work. Also, what the hell is FD terran? | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
Bullshit? Watch IN_dove vs Hurln[Inca] And o yeah, dual spire ZvP/ZvT works too. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
When you see toss taking gas -> Research burrow and amass lots of lings. You burrow 12 lings under his ramp in one hole, use more lings to attack from behind, unburrow. -> Break his ramp and kill. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On August 26 2006 15:38 YoiChiBow wrote: its 9 pool speedling guys... geez -.- | ||
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