My APM is low cause of health. How do I optimize my play to the maximum? So that I do as little as possible to do as much as possible. I am working on my movement so far. I seem to mouse scroll too much. However the only other 2 options I have are arrows, click on minimap and hotkeys, However hotkeys are not giving me enough freedom. Scroll movement is slow and mouse click on minimap is not precise enough. Any of you use arrows?
How do you optimize your play? The useful trick I found from forums are camera bookmarks waypoint redirection. So ingenious I wonder why didn't I think of it.
how slow are u playing and whats your race? that your arm is hurting could be because of a wrong position/angle or really way too fast clicking. in general, try not to play harass oriented builds, but go for straight macro builds instead, if u play tvz, play mech and not bio (or atleast late mech). try to pre-plan as much as possible, so u can set rally points always in advance when u still have time to do so. if u hotkey stuff on the numbers, u can jump to it with "alt + number", instead of double tapping the number. if u press and hold the 3rd mouse button and move the mouse, u can directly move to the corners/edges of the map.
On October 10 2013 22:27 Bakuryu wrote: how slow are u playing and whats your race? that your arm is hurting could be because of a wrong position/angle or really way too fast clicking. in general, try not to play harass oriented builds, but go for straight macro builds instead, if u play tvz, play mech and not bio (or atleast late mech). try to pre-plan as much as possible, so u can set rally points always in advance when u still have time to do so. if u hotkey stuff on the numbers, u can jump to it with "alt + number", instead of double tapping the number. if u press and hold the 3rd mouse button and move the mouse, u can directly move to the corners/edges of the map.
60 APM when relaxed. I play all the races. What I am interested in are tricks like F2-F3 rallypoint stuff. Small things which make life better. What is best way to move camera? Arrows? Or minimap?
My position is fine it's just that I clicked too much in the past and now I can't anymore.
On October 10 2013 22:13 herozour wrote: Why are you so interested? :D Arm gets weak and feel strange(or hurts if I go too far) if I click too fast. If I play nice and easy its fine.
Because the recommendations we will give to you depend on your problem.
Anyway, it's normal that it hurts a little at the beginning. Then you will fully enjoy it. Actually I remember that when I first started to use chopsticks, my forearm was hurting a lot after a long meal. Of course after a few weeks I was not feeling anything anymore.
On October 10 2013 22:27 Bakuryu wrote: how slow are u playing and whats your race? that your arm is hurting could be because of a wrong position/angle or really way too fast clicking. in general, try not to play harass oriented builds, but go for straight macro builds instead, if u play tvz, play mech and not bio (or atleast late mech). try to pre-plan as much as possible, so u can set rally points always in advance when u still have time to do so. if u hotkey stuff on the numbers, u can jump to it with "alt + number", instead of double tapping the number. if u press and hold the 3rd mouse button and move the mouse, u can directly move to the corners/edges of the map.
60 APM when relaxed. I play all the races. What I am interested in are tricks like F2-F3 rallypoint stuff. Small things which make life better. What is best way to move camera? Arrows? Or minimap?
My position is fine it's just that I clicked too much in the past and now I can't anymore.
The best way is hotkeys. Minimap when it's an enemy or empty location. Just to confirm, you know about hotkey double-tap, right ?
On October 10 2013 22:13 herozour wrote: Why are you so interested? :D Arm gets weak and feel strange(or hurts if I go too far) if I click too fast. If I play nice and easy its fine.
Because the recommendations we will give to you depend on your problem.
Anyway, it's normal that it hurts a little at the beginning. Then you will fully enjoy it. Actually I remember that when I first started to use chopsticks, my forearm was hurting a lot after a long meal. Of course after a few weeks I was not feeling anything anymore.
On October 10 2013 22:27 Bakuryu wrote: how slow are u playing and whats your race? that your arm is hurting could be because of a wrong position/angle or really way too fast clicking. in general, try not to play harass oriented builds, but go for straight macro builds instead, if u play tvz, play mech and not bio (or atleast late mech). try to pre-plan as much as possible, so u can set rally points always in advance when u still have time to do so. if u hotkey stuff on the numbers, u can jump to it with "alt + number", instead of double tapping the number. if u press and hold the 3rd mouse button and move the mouse, u can directly move to the corners/edges of the map.
60 APM when relaxed. I play all the races. What I am interested in are tricks like F2-F3 rallypoint stuff. Small things which make life better. What is best way to move camera? Arrows? Or minimap?
My position is fine it's just that I clicked too much in the past and now I can't anymore.
The best way is hotkeys. Minimap when it's an enemy or empty location. Just to confirm, you know about hotkey double-tap, right ?
Increasing mouse sensitivity might be helpful if strain from playing quickly causes you pain. Its most beneficial if your zerg [because u lose some precision in micro but its a swarm race anyway so its beneficial to be able to box really fast].
For my D/D+ level advice, I would say increase mouse precision through specifically practicing that and always either click the minimap or use a hotkey.
For what it's worth, Boxer was known to use the arrows to move the screen in some situations.
Edit: Take a look at your top row hotkeys. QWERTY and so on. Do you press any of these frequently? What are they used for, and would they benefit from being near a number hotkey? For example, if you play protoss and make a lot of observers, it helps to have the Robo on 8,9, or 0 because it makes pressing 8o9o0o easier than say, 6o.
This is why also why people have recommended Nexii on 890 because then you can 8p9p0p with probes. I like the 123 better and sometimes just use camera hotkeys instead.
it's SC2 but almost everything applies to SCBW, and it'll help greatly if you follow what it says for reducing spam so you don't need so many actions to achieve the same amount of stuff.
On October 11 2013 16:31 dRaW wrote: not trying to troll or be mean, sc2 requires less apm or you can try LoL.
Not trying to troll and doing it right afterwards. Nice touch
He's really not trolling, it's really very difficult (effectively impossible) to be effective at 60 apm even with really good hotkey useage/anticipation/game knowledge.
Most people get significantly faster than 60apm as they improve (and I mean like just staying genuine D on iccup without having to /clearstats) even if they aren't trying to improve hand speed, because there is simply more that absolutely needs to be done per unit of time than 60 apm would allow.
If you really think it would be physically uncomfortable to go much faster, you could stick with tech cheeses and all ins I guess, where if you do the core build order properly and deny scouting (or your opponent is just bad at scouting) it's just a gamble on whether or not your build happens to hard counter theirs.
But only doing dt rushes, hydra or ling all ins, and 2 fact timing attacks kinda takes away from the beauty of the game, and has virtually no rematch value since they will know what's coming the second time.
Increasing your apm without adding unneccessary spamming is purely about effort and hard work. You can't force it, and just playing the game isn't enough. You need to make sure that you have productive habits. If you don't even use hotkeys, it's no wonder you can't play faster. There's only so much you can do with your mouse hand. There are many threads you can find here about hotkeys, and as terran it's pretty obvious what setup to use. Get used to hotkeys and short commands, and practice a specific build order (doesn't matter which) until you can nail it, and your apm will increase naturally. You can try practicing at a lower speed at first, if you really struggle with a build order, but usually if you struggle it's because of the brain, rather than the hands. But as you repeat build orders over and over, you start doing things without thinking about them.
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
It is problematic if your health doesn't allow you to get past 60 apm, because even with how incredibly efficient you can get with clicks, you will still need much more than 60 apm to get better.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close. Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory. Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close. Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory. Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
You are going to want a mixture of hotkeys, a little screen scrolling for battles and looking for something close, and screen captures to move your screen for production and rallys (pull F1 out). production can be either all hotkey'ed individually or clumped and hotkey one of the buildings or use a "F-Key." Army attacks can be either attack or patrol command. Patrol will have your units run back and forth if they don't find a target. Attack will sit where you told them to attack if they did not find a target. so you can 1a2a3a or 0p9p8p. It all comes down to what you feel comfortable with.
In my opinion herozour has got a point there (I'm talking about the topic starting post). And it seems kind of strange to me that Blizzard after all these years still barely seems to bother about it.
Well one of the things you can try is to play on smaller maps and/or maps that have suitable distances. The other thing is using the arrow buttons. And in my opinion these two should be combined to compliment each other.
There a trick i heard about a while back, where u hold down the mouse scroll button and if u move the mouse a little bit u'll find the screen moves across really fast, if u hold it down and flick ur wirst to like the top left, the camera will instantly move there with very little hand movement.
Btw somebody should tell killer that patrol move is good for scourges to scout for enemy observers.Also the best way to select multiple larvae is to CTRL + Left click. How can he not know about it after all these years? Pff.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close. Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory. Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
I was kidding Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should. I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it. But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.
As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close. Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory. Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
I was kidding Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should. I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it. But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.
As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.
It's pretty clear to me that you're overanalyzing what the players are doing during the first 7 minutes of the game. Many players will spam if they don't have anything better to do. It helps you warm up your fingers, and helps make your play more robust, because you overdo things. As a general rule, they don't spam during the intensive parts of the game though. I've looked at some Bisu fpvods and he doesn't spam at all in the mid and late game.
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote: If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him. His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.
I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing. Example. Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1. Click on buildings and not build anything with em. Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing. Also hotkeys less then should. Bisu = noob.
Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close. Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory. Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
I was kidding Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should. I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it. But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.
As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.
Player keeps his APM constant, even when it becomes redundant. It's difficult to keep "what you want to do" and "what you can do physically" always equal. Such constant operation mode without switching between few and many actions allows to put execution of actions into subconsciousness. Thus, player has one method/interface of interacting with the game instead of several. Yes it may be less efficient in some cases, but overall it's an advantage at management level.
Some important parts of BW include distribution of attention and grouping of actions. Attention is some kind of resource, and also the better you group actions, the more efficiently you spend this resource. This grouping can be done not only by context, but also by the ease of executing actions subconsciously. Executing actions subconsciously works a lot faster, offloading mind for tactics, strategy and other stuff.
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