• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:21
CEST 17:21
KST 00:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20258Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202577RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced24BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 I offer completely free coaching services What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 778 users

Hotkey optimized style - Page 2

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 13 2013 03:22 GMT
#21
On October 12 2013 02:14 sh4w wrote:
Definitely listen to Day9's podcasts on mechanics if you haven't already.

LINK

Nice just what I needed.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 13 2013 14:43 GMT
#22
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
October 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#23
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
October 13 2013 20:31 GMT
#24
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
October 14 2013 00:07 GMT
#25
You are going to want a mixture of hotkeys, a little screen scrolling for battles and looking for something close, and screen captures to move your screen for production and rallys (pull F1 out). production can be either all hotkey'ed individually or clumped and hotkey one of the buildings or use a "F-Key." Army attacks can be either attack or patrol command. Patrol will have your units run back and forth if they don't find a target. Attack will sit where you told them to attack if they did not find a target. so you can 1a2a3a or 0p9p8p. It all comes down to what you feel comfortable with.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
greatnoob
Profile Joined September 2012
Hungary50 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 04:47:09
October 14 2013 04:45 GMT
#26
In my opinion herozour has got a point there (I'm talking about the topic starting post). And it seems kind of strange to me that Blizzard after all these years still barely seems to bother about it.

Well one of the things you can try is to play on smaller maps and/or maps that have suitable distances. The other thing is using the arrow buttons. And in my opinion these two should be combined to compliment each other.

For further explanations send me a pm.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 14 2013 08:42 GMT
#27
There a trick i heard about a while back, where u hold down the mouse scroll button and if u move the mouse a little bit u'll find the screen moves across really fast, if u hold it down and flick ur wirst to like the top left, the camera will instantly move there with very little hand movement.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 09:14:08
October 14 2013 09:13 GMT
#28
Btw somebody should tell killer that patrol move is good for scourges to scout for enemy observers.Also the best way to select multiple larvae is to CTRL + Left click. How can he not know about it after all these years? Pff.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 09:20:33
October 14 2013 09:16 GMT
#29
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
October 14 2013 18:11 GMT
#30
On October 14 2013 18:16 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.

It's pretty clear to me that you're overanalyzing what the players are doing during the first 7 minutes of the game. Many players will spam if they don't have anything better to do. It helps you warm up your fingers, and helps make your play more robust, because you overdo things. As a general rule, they don't spam during the intensive parts of the game though. I've looked at some Bisu fpvods and he doesn't spam at all in the mid and late game.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 10:49:16
October 14 2013 18:57 GMT
#31
On October 14 2013 18:16 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.

Player keeps his APM constant, even when it becomes redundant. It's difficult to keep "what you want to do" and "what you can do physically" always equal. Such constant operation mode without switching between few and many actions allows to put execution of actions into subconsciousness. Thus, player has one method/interface of interacting with the game instead of several. Yes it may be less efficient in some cases, but overall it's an advantage at management level.

Some important parts of BW include distribution of attention and grouping of actions. Attention is some kind of resource, and also the better you group actions, the more efficiently you spend this resource. This grouping can be done not only by context, but also by the ease of executing actions subconsciously. Executing actions subconsciously works a lot faster, offloading mind for tactics, strategy and other stuff.

You may want to watch Berkeley lectures.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
14:00
Bracket Day 2 - Final
LiquipediaDiscussion
FEL
09:00
Cracow 2025
Lambo vs GeraldLIVE!
Clem vs SKillous
Reynor vs TBD
RotterdaM2066
ComeBackTV 1722
IndyStarCraft 620
WardiTV378
CranKy Ducklings207
Rex165
3DClanTV 104
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 2066
IndyStarCraft 620
Rex 165
BRAT_OK 75
MindelVK 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 45915
Barracks 1783
EffOrt 1693
Larva 1056
Stork 633
BeSt 608
firebathero 529
Nal_rA 475
Soulkey 226
Hyun 140
[ Show more ]
Rush 135
Dewaltoss 122
Sharp 82
sorry 74
Movie 53
Shinee 52
sSak 46
Shine 37
Free 37
zelot 27
yabsab 17
Terrorterran 10
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5611
qojqva3837
XcaliburYe431
420jenkins316
Counter-Strike
fl0m2605
oskar163
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor592
Other Games
B2W.Neo2084
Beastyqt1660
Hui .345
DeMusliM270
Fuzer 142
KnowMe101
QueenE68
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV40
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 42
• poizon28 15
• Legendk 9
• Dystopia_ 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4060
• WagamamaTV731
League of Legends
• Nemesis3315
• Jankos1359
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2h 39m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Wardi Open
19h 39m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.