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herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 13 2013 03:22 GMT
#21
On October 12 2013 02:14 sh4w wrote:
Definitely listen to Day9's podcasts on mechanics if you haven't already.

LINK

Nice just what I needed.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
October 13 2013 14:43 GMT
#22
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
October 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#23
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
October 13 2013 20:31 GMT
#24
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
October 14 2013 00:07 GMT
#25
You are going to want a mixture of hotkeys, a little screen scrolling for battles and looking for something close, and screen captures to move your screen for production and rallys (pull F1 out). production can be either all hotkey'ed individually or clumped and hotkey one of the buildings or use a "F-Key." Army attacks can be either attack or patrol command. Patrol will have your units run back and forth if they don't find a target. Attack will sit where you told them to attack if they did not find a target. so you can 1a2a3a or 0p9p8p. It all comes down to what you feel comfortable with.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
greatnoob
Profile Joined September 2012
Hungary50 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 04:47:09
October 14 2013 04:45 GMT
#26
In my opinion herozour has got a point there (I'm talking about the topic starting post). And it seems kind of strange to me that Blizzard after all these years still barely seems to bother about it.

Well one of the things you can try is to play on smaller maps and/or maps that have suitable distances. The other thing is using the arrow buttons. And in my opinion these two should be combined to compliment each other.

For further explanations send me a pm.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
October 14 2013 08:42 GMT
#27
There a trick i heard about a while back, where u hold down the mouse scroll button and if u move the mouse a little bit u'll find the screen moves across really fast, if u hold it down and flick ur wirst to like the top left, the camera will instantly move there with very little hand movement.
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 09:14:08
October 14 2013 09:13 GMT
#28
Btw somebody should tell killer that patrol move is good for scourges to scout for enemy observers.Also the best way to select multiple larvae is to CTRL + Left click. How can he not know about it after all these years? Pff.
herozour
Profile Joined September 2013
142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 09:20:33
October 14 2013 09:16 GMT
#29
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
October 14 2013 18:11 GMT
#30
On October 14 2013 18:16 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.

It's pretty clear to me that you're overanalyzing what the players are doing during the first 7 minutes of the game. Many players will spam if they don't have anything better to do. It helps you warm up your fingers, and helps make your play more robust, because you overdo things. As a general rule, they don't spam during the intensive parts of the game though. I've looked at some Bisu fpvods and he doesn't spam at all in the mid and late game.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 10:49:16
October 14 2013 18:57 GMT
#31
On October 14 2013 18:16 herozour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 05:31 traceurling wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 AleXoundOS wrote:
On October 13 2013 23:43 herozour wrote:
On October 12 2013 09:44 decemberscalm wrote:
If you see Bisu's stream. He never wastes or spams clicks from what I've seen of him.
His precision is amazing to be able to do that. Really nice economy of clicks.


I am watching his stream now. He often spams for nothing.
Example.
Select units and press 3 times to move instead of 1.
Click on buildings and not build anything with em.
Instead of waiting for resource to come he spams building button before has the money to actually build thing.
Also hotkeys less then should.
Bisu = noob.

Btw I decided to actually improve my health by eating well, doing sports and taking breaks every hour.

Pressing several times to move sometimes changes units' pathing, especially if the destination is close.
Clicking buildings gives you information about it's production queue, you may not keep production timings in memory.
Spamming build button allows to avoid tracking process of resources with necessity to react to it's changes, that introduces additional human response time. Secondly it's an opportunity to give your brains a small break instead of keeping track of varying numbers.

Everything Bisu does has been accepted as generally beneficial for the majority of people because it keeps him moving fast and makes sure that he doesn't miss click or make sure everything builds or just keep track of everything...I really would not reccomend calling some of the best BW players ever such as Flash and Bisu noob just because you don't understand everything they do...

I was kidding
Of course they are not noobs. But pros do click a lot more then they should.
I watched the stream of the korean terran guy. 4 out of 5 clicks were pointless. Looked like he spammed cause he is used to clicking a lot without thinking about it.
But bisu does spam a lot less then others thats true. Even though some clicks are for nothing but still not too many.

As for letting brain rest I don't think there is such thing as RSI of the brain
In fact keeping track of things in the mind is good for it.

Player keeps his APM constant, even when it becomes redundant. It's difficult to keep "what you want to do" and "what you can do physically" always equal. Such constant operation mode without switching between few and many actions allows to put execution of actions into subconsciousness. Thus, player has one method/interface of interacting with the game instead of several. Yes it may be less efficient in some cases, but overall it's an advantage at management level.

Some important parts of BW include distribution of attention and grouping of actions. Attention is some kind of resource, and also the better you group actions, the more efficiently you spend this resource. This grouping can be done not only by context, but also by the ease of executing actions subconsciously. Executing actions subconsciously works a lot faster, offloading mind for tactics, strategy and other stuff.

You may want to watch Berkeley lectures.
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
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