EPTAre there any good replays of people going a mech build vs Zerg these days, or is it pretty much a long dead strat?
Mech any viable vs Zerg?
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Are there any good replays of people going a mech build vs Zerg these days, or is it pretty much a long dead strat? | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Edit: by not really, I meant it's not really viable. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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nS-g.OoZi
Canada92 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
This is a Boxer FPVOD vs. Junwi, where Boxer goes Mech. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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strik.fr
France212 Posts
U must aboslutely upgrade and u should maybe put 4 vcs for each gas since it will be difficult to have enough gas to mass metal before a third command and u will prolly need everytime some vessels: the tvz metal is : at start u have the adavantage with vultures because z can't do nothing dangerous.. Mid game is the "hot time" it's mainly why it's not adviced to metal vs z : u have to not let him expanding everywhere while loosing a minimum of units and producing; If u can't keep about 60% of your army after about 12 minutes and with 6/7 facts + upgrades zerg will be defeated by a huge mass of metal : that's TERRAN POWER yeah! Many zerg will drop u mass hydra/lings at this moment : the mistake should be to go back to defend : just lift buildings and kill him. Don't hesitate to make a lot of vultures to support gol/tanks especially till mid game. Terran 3-3 180/200 rules whatever happens.But it's exhausting games. I also tried to make a "mix" of metal/mm after a "classic start metal". I should try to improve it i feel it could be efficient especially when zerg plans to full muts but the timings are quite difficult to evaluate. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
its godly.. ill dig up the rep when i have time... anyway, yes it is valid, what this guy did was goliath tank off one base and basicly hangbang the zerg , aiming to kill the expo- his only fault was not expanding x) im sure its perfectly viable | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
so stop the zerg from scouting it. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On May 30 2006 01:52 Resonate wrote: works as a suprise strat sometimes, i wouldn't use it twice in a row though This is really all you need to know. | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On May 30 2006 02:07 ZaplinG wrote: zerg will scout it and change to hydra/ling accordingly. so stop the zerg from scouting it. Wouldn't muta/ling be much more dangerous. Considering metal doesn't have anything to deal with muts. | ||
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nite1
Croatia45 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 29 2006 21:18 IntoTheWow wrote: It sure is in maps without gas at expo like nostalgia. Boxer's 2 fac vult -> cc -> 2 fac tank/many rax marine build for nostalgia is awesome :D | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
its hard to pull off properly but, its really good if you can do it right | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On May 30 2006 01:52 Resonate wrote: works as a suprise strat sometimes, i wouldn't use it twice in a row though not exactly true if you play against a good player who's doing it, it doesn't exactly matter so much. Mech is very strong in general, even on gas natural maps | ||
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ShabZzoY!
Great Britain760 Posts
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
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Apathy
United States141 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28664 Posts
or you can split up and get both troops raped | ||
RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
On May 30 2006 05:50 FrozenArbiter wrote: Boxer's 2 fac vult -> cc -> 2 fac tank/many rax marine build for nostalgia is awesome :D yeah its actually really strong on nostalgia then again, almost everything is really strong TvZ on nostalgia | ||
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phexac
United States186 Posts
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
Why dont u use search button? http://teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=TvZ mech&t=t&f=all&u= | ||
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decafchicken
United States20019 Posts
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On May 30 2006 11:02 phexac wrote: How about getting 5-7 valks if he goes for muta. You can put vultures on the ground to counter lings and go valk/vult, then once you have 5+ valks switch back to tank/golie. I would just go hydras to defiler plague even swarm just as if I would vs. corsair/reaver but it would be 30 times easier. I honestly think mech sucks vs. zerg but if you do it timing will be everything. Timing as in when to attack when opponent is offguard, constant unit check with scan, map control. | ||
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GoaLD50
United States41 Posts
On May 30 2006 11:25 PetrBlaha wrote: Why are u guyz so lazy nowadays? Why dont u use search button? http://teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=TvZ mech&t=t&f=all&u= This is funny, because this forum (and the game) has been around so long that most discussion is rehashed stuff, so actually if I wanted to hear someone say "GO USE SEARCH FUNCTION", I would do a search for it. Actually, it seems that, excepting those who say "go search it up", most ppl would rather just talk it over again. Who cares if someone said something before. It's a discussion board, lets discuss! | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
some people even seem to get pissed if you bump an old thread | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On May 30 2006 11:25 PetrBlaha wrote: Why are u guyz so lazy nowadays? Why dont u use search button? http://teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=TvZ mech&t=t&f=all&u= Because they knew your tool ass would do it for them !! <3 | ||
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StarOfDust
Sweden163 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On May 30 2006 17:01 GoaLD50 wrote: This is funny, because this forum (and the game) has been around so long that most discussion is rehashed stuff, so actually if I wanted to hear someone say "GO USE SEARCH FUNCTION", I would do a search for it. Actually, it seems that, excepting those who say "go search it up", most ppl would rather just talk it over again. Who cares if someone said something before. It's a discussion board, lets discuss! Not to mention that the last thread that discussed this was over a year ago. Since this game evolves, it would make much more sense to bring up a topic after a year instead of re-reading outdated information. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
I've usually been expanding right as I send out the vulture armies, and throw down my armories, more facts, and start getting goliaths. I found that valks are so much better than I origionally thought, and just 2-3 can really mess an army of mutas who would usually beat goliaths. Anyway I've been very successful, (probably a 75% win rate at C lvl pgt), on every map except Luna. I can't seem to do my usual strat on this map. The zerg always seems to sunken up more than usual, and then go for expos and macro the crap out of me. People have said that another common mech strat is 1fact into expo. Can someone give a rep, or go into a bit more detail? I think that a fast expo strategy might well be the solution to Luna. | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
On May 29 2006 20:44 greatmeh wrote: yoshs old replays are like this... i think he generally got 2 armory after the 2 facts and upgraded really fast with expo so in general a TvP build. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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inc
Sweden889 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 30 2006 09:40 Liquid`Drone wrote: I used to use mech quite a lot. but I only used it in situations where my opponents were unable to expand to their natural fast. if zerg gets like 18 mutas and you've been going goliaths you're fucked cause you won't have any gas for vessels, and even if you have more than enough goliaths to rape his mutas head on, you'll never get to fight him head on. either you wait in base and he expands twice+ more and ends up getting 4 gas vs your 2 or you try to attack and get harassed to death while you're trying to attack something and then when he's done harassing you to death he can just send back mutas and eventually kill off your troops or you can split up and get both troops raped precisely. Metal doesn't work so well vs large numbers of muta with armor upgrades, supported by lings with armor. Terran really needs an ultimate unit that can deal with practically anything zerg makes. Something that can handle mutas and lings alright, but still handle lurkers or hydras as well with vessel and tank support. It's called the marine. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On June 03 2006 20:43 inc wrote: you should watch some kenka replays, at a time he was using only tech,gl. Any good places to find replays of this fellow? I've found a few (2) at the Areola site, but he isn't meching in any of them. Edit: found some more on gg.net, but still no meching action. Does he have any AKAs? | ||
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
i dont think its so great withot it though. Nada beat Chojja with mech twice in the final(1 game was island though) whatever that retarded 3 player ice map with the natural in yoru base after your ramp, you can go fast cc on that and mech and it works really well. | ||
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