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.the rest of the game beyond the first muta battle is basically me dying slowly.
replay: http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PMPFLFFRNTJO05613S5KPQPQL
! [H] more zvz help plz
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
.the rest of the game beyond the first muta battle is basically me dying slowly. replay: http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PMPFLFFRNTJO05613S5KPQPQL | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
Here's an example of how it should be played : http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=29170 | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On September 04 2005 12:39 iD.MidiaN wrote: You need ling speed if you're going to take your expansion that soon, it's imperative for getting any sort of map control which is needed if you're going to expand to your natural, and later other main/naturals, it also helps make sure he doesn't take his expansion too soon, there's not so much of a threat from lings if they don't have speed, and thus the other player can take his own expansion comfortably. Ever tried to fight with nonspeed lings vs speed lings? You can't retreat and it's easier for him to create an arm and thus out micro you. If you just wanna stick to 1 base and go only muta and stick to it all game it's not so important, but that's gonna suck unless you can deal a lot of damage with your muta, which is pretty hard to do if your opponent knows it's coming... usually the only time i see players not making ling speed is when they make gas on 9 and stick to only their main, which is particularly common on none gas natural maps such as nostalgia. Do you happen to have any ZvZ reps like this? I was under the impression ling speed is pretty important, even on Nost :0. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
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littlechava
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
is a big part of zvz the randomness of the rock paper scissors openings? 12 hatch > 12 pool > 9 pool > 12 hatch? | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
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On September 04 2005 17:22 8882 wrote: 12hatch and 9pool are a bit like gambling IMO If you see it like that then 12 pool is a gamble too, since there are builds that you're instantly disadvantaged against if you went 12 pool (12hatch or fast exp). Infact, every build zvz is a gamble if you see it like that | ||
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spanner
United States72 Posts
ofc, i decide if i ultimately want to do scrouge ling or whatever... but it often doesn't turn out this way. just watch lots of zvz reps and take note of everything, 2x and sometimes fastest is a great way to absob tactics used. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On September 05 2005 04:19 spanner wrote: whenever i play a zvz game, i can only do 12 gas straight after lord then 11 pool with 9 scout this is about as far predecided i can be about my build. ofc, i decide if i ultimately want to do scrouge ling or whatever... but it often doesn't turn out this way. just watch lots of zvz reps and take note of everything, 2x and sometimes fastest is a great way to absob tactics used. zvz's one of those matchups that are hard to learn from replays. its very, very experienced based and there are a lot of subtleties that you just can't pick up from replays. so having someone explain to me the reasoning behind their decision making and build is much more helpful than watching the same muta/ling battle build up over and over again in replays. if you do that same build you describe in every single zvz you play, i dont think you can be a very good zvz player. | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
On September 04 2005 17:24 iD.MidiaN wrote: If you see it like that then 12 pool is a gamble too, since there are builds that you're instantly disadvantaged against if you went 12 pool (12hatch or fast exp). Infact, every build zvz is a gamble if you see it like that May be 12pool vs 12 hatch is not that bad comparing to 9pool vs 12 pool or 12hatch vs 9pool | ||
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ComunistHobo
Canada208 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
and if he does, he auto-gives you map control. and wasting 175 that could have been 6 lings and not handed over map control | ||
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