EPTJangbi's opening was curious, but what really got him the win was not taking his 3rd fast and deciding to abuse Flash's turbo-expos by bulldogging. I don't play P, so I don't really know, but was his opening all so critical?
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3701 Posts
Jangbi's opening was curious, but what really got him the win was not taking his 3rd fast and deciding to abuse Flash's turbo-expos by bulldogging. I don't play P, so I don't really know, but was his opening all so critical? | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
Jangbi went 12 nexus because he was playing a mind game with flash. The previous game, flash saw jangbi went one base robot, so he built a lot of turrets for to defend against a drop that game (count how many turrets flash built after he saw the robo). The trend right now in PvT is to go one gate range into triple nexus , especially on gladiator, to be even against a 1rax expand. No one goes 12 next anymore because the terran can Just come out with six scvs and kill your nexus if he scouts early enough. Jangbi 12 nexed, flash scouts the wrong way, and jangbi safely puts down his natural early. The earlier expansion allows jangbi to get units out faster, which gave him a timing window to punish flash's third. He bulldogs, and ends the game right there. I might have missed something, but that is the gist of it. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 01 2011 07:07 olabaz wrote: I think by opting for the early nexus flash had to try to catch up economically. And seeing Jangbi's probe at his 3rd, Flash tried to take advantage and take a quicker 3rd. AND delaying with an EngBay but JangBi was trying really hard to take it with Zealots. Guys I think we might be a seeing a evolution in the way the game is being played. BW feels more and more like Poker to me. Show your hand but do something completely different that kind of feeling that JangBi is pulling out there. If other player follows, holy shit a new gameplan is implemented. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On September 01 2011 05:59 bITt.mAN wrote: A point that needs to be raised: Jangbi's opening was curious, but what really got him the win was not taking his 3rd fast and deciding to abuse Flash's turbo-expos by bulldogging. I don't play P, so I don't really know, but was his opening all so critical? If he did do an 11 Nex, and I'm too lazy to go back to the vod and check it, then it's definitely a deviation from the norm. This is because it's generally considered that 12 Nex is the optimal build in terms of economy and troop production. The only reason he would do such a thing is probably due to some timing rush from terran for this particular map. Otherwise, it's not so much a revolution since fast nexus has always been an integral part of PvT. And one that Flash has seen likely thousands of times in his career. So it's likely that Jangbi made some modification on the 12 Nex to help with early game defense. And this is quite reasonable, since Jangbi did not scout at all. Which meant that his build had to at least counter some type of marine rushes as he did not know what Flash was doing at all. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On September 01 2011 11:14 Xiphos wrote: AND delaying with an EngBay but JangBi was trying really hard to take it with Zealots. Guys I think we might be a seeing a evolution in the way the game is being played. BW feels more and more like Poker to me. Show your hand but do something completely different that kind of feeling that JangBi is pulling out there. If other player follows, holy shit a new gameplan is implemented. I don't think this is an evolution. Players have always known that they can show one thing and do something else to throw the opponent off and put themselves ahead. It happens every time a P spins his core to fake goon range then builds a fast robo. We saw the same high level thinking last year when Snow beat Flash in PL with some really quirky plays, we saw it when Nony beat Idra in the TSL with his zealot all in and I'm sure similar things have happened throughout the history of BW. In professional BW the edges the players have are so slight that it takes special circumstances to be able to show one build and do something completely different. The resources spent in showing a fake build are often too much to be able to gain a good enough strategical advantage or build order advantage. Players can pick up on little cues, eg. unit count/factory/gateway count, and can see that their opponent's build is deviating from what is expected. Therefore they can play safe or scout more rigorously to negate their opponent's advantage. If it was as easy as showing a fast nex then canceling it and doing a zealot all in every PvT then everyone would be doing it.  | ||
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