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On July 28 2004 23:36 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
When i play terran i slow push

its fun


to beat turtle faggot terran you either have to be better overall or abuse the godliness of carriers.

i play pvt vs turtlers like a countdown. I have so much time before the terran can overwhelm me on land. I need to be set up and ready to go with game-ending units like carriers or arbiters before this time runs out. Harassing him buys me more time. Doing heavy damage to his first surge buys me more time.

If you know he wont come out of his base, devote all your resources to expansion and harass protection. You wont be going on the offense for a bit, so take the time to secure your position. Part of securing your position is throwing up 3-4 stargates and a fleet beacon

if you're having trouble with that 200/200 army, bring like 6 templar along with you on your next crusade. Keep obs around his base, and whatever troops you have in position (When they're not preventing harass). when you see him moving out, move in! tanks and vultures that are bunched up (like they are when they're exiting a base..!) are easy to storm.

What i try to do is cover his shit in storm, then back off so I don't lose TOO much.

more often than not what will happen from here is you will weaken his push (a blanket of storm does ALOT of damage, and near-death tanks don't fight well), buying you a liiiiittle more time.

if you luck out, and you stop his push dead (not likely, but hey it can happen), you have a huge advantage. as soon as it looks like your troops are fucked, back off. Carriers should be on the way, and you'll have a much easier time from there on

You won't win a land battle vs a turtle terran unless your micro is far superior to his push abilities, assuming you both have similar macro.


On another note, keep an eye on his base! if you see somewhere you can sneak a shuttle with two templar in, do it! scv loss is devastating to turtle terrans, and will buy you more time.

On July 28 2004 23:54 Casper... wrote:
reaver rush, expand, carriers

On July 28 2004 23:46 PheeRed.User wrote:
Rugbug i dont think you undertand they harass while getting min only and having 20 siege tansk sieged and harrass some more while building a huge army with 2/2 ups and i get anally raped

On July 28 2004 23:48 Rt-S.FakeSteve wrote:
Harass isn't completely necessary, buuut..

ok, here's my thought: Terran is trying to accomplish a goal.

Turtle terran's goal? Be impervious to attack until he is ready to roll over the protoss with superior forces.

What's my game plan? Keep my opponent from achieving his objective.

By sitting around letting him macro, I'm doing what he wants. I'm allowing him to follow his game plan to a tee.

This is not good. How do I fix it? How do I kill a terran i can't directly assault? Damage his ability to achieve his goal. Easiest way to do that vs a turtle terran? Killing scv's.

On July 28 2004 23:13 RuGbUg wrote:
arbiter is a waste. i never get it.

On July 29 2004 06:42 koehli wrote:


hmmm, fakesteve your starting rationales are correct. Terran turtles to have an easily defendable stance that allows him to mass till 2/2 monsterarmy and juggernaut over the toss. I don't think your harass is really a good answer though. Terran built his position so that it's easy to defend. Barracks landed on cliff so you cant land in storm position, turrets in stormdrop path, tanks in siege, some spidermines etc. Trying to harass requires alot of your attention so your macro will be worse than it could be. Also it most often will loose you more than it gains. You're playing right as the terran wants you to play with no real perspective.

I'd rather go with the old Chinese proverb: "One neighbor builds a fence, two neighbors enjoy it." He built defences so he's safe to build up, but so are you with the additional bonus of not having those static defences so you got a lead in the exponential growth curve :-] Your only problem will be the 200 supply problem. At some point your maxed out at 200 supply and cant't grow any more. And 200 supply protoss ground units get completely smoked vs 180 supply terran ground units.

You should have enough money to swith to carriers or add arbiters, so basically playing a turtling terran is an exercise of macro.

On July 29 2004 06:53 NoRTyDoG wrote:
............Hmm nice way to look at it, its true that you need to put alot of focus on microing the harass and it does hurt your macro, about 50% of the time vs decent terran players the money I put into harass (800min + 800/600gas) goes to waste because of siege/rax/turrets