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BADSMCGEE
United States94 Posts
listen to these guys...treat a turtling protoss like a turtling terran...bleed them dry and take the whole map...SCOUT HIDDEN EXPOS. prevent him from expoing ANYMORE than he is. your biggest problem in starcraft it seems is your attitude. you threw army after army into a choke he spent every resource trying to hold because you were pouting and frustrated...be patient and try to out think your opponent... thanks again for the rep! | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
lol... allow me expand on that idea. If you see mass canons, at higher levels you would be inclined to think- corsair reaver. your appropriate response to this would be spores and hyds(with burrow maybe?  ) w/ scourage/muta to keep your opponent at bay and have some air control.I am at work, so i cant watch the replay just yet buuut by reading others responses i can see that your opponent had no intention of going corsair reaver. which makes beating him quite straight forward: 1. Gain map control (send ovs to every expo to make sure hes not sneaking another expo) 2. Get 4 gas minimum and tech to hive getting upgrades. 3. Expand EVERYWHERE 4. Drone up 5. Max out at 200/200 (with ultras and crack lings and lurkers kekekekekeeee) 6. then proceed to use + Show Spoiler + darkswarm 7. for every unit that dies make a new one to stay at 200/200 through your now 1 billion hatchs that you should have through your map control and 1 billion expansions worst comes to worst starve him out and then slowly pick at him hah | ||
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CoWsGoesMoo
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Metaspace
Austria670 Posts
Cannons on unreachable high ground also tend to fuck up ultra/ling AI. I know this from painful experience. Assuming you have expanded properly, you can afford hydra/guardian. It works convincingly, try it. It is by far the most cost effective counter. Aim for a composition of 3-4 hydra per guardian. I think Uncle NayNay's advice vs. turtling is good. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2745 Posts
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sushi.oi.zz
Hong Kong72 Posts
1 cannon = 150, nexus = 400. Each 3 cannons he makes, he forfeits the ability to make a nexus, expand and support his economy. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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biarecare
United States76 Posts
he just mass HT's sincegas are infinite, even guardians didn't work so depressed. will upload the new replay later my macro is still horrible, but i still rape him early-mid game, he just mass cannons. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2241 Posts
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4198 Posts
Note that I only had ~130 apm, and I played sloppy, and it was still a relatively easy victory. I was in control for the entire battle (even when he pushed out and attacked, I knew I could beat it). And, yea, I did try a pretty cheesy opening, but it failed miserably, and when I saw him throw up that many cannons in response, I knew I had the game. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
haha you typed this while you had hydras in his main, which you had just cleared out. I dunno.. try that maneuver again on his new base, since all the cannons were by the ramp instead of the nexus? Oh hey it worked Also have a little defense at your expansions if you aren't close enough/fast enough to respond to threats. And have more expansions. And don't let him take any. I love it when a toss goes mass cannons. It's game over right there. and super LOL at using darkswarm when your army is ranged and his is melee. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
and super LOL at using darkswarm when your army is ranged and his is melee. i think that was relating to the crackling/ultra tip. and his cannons are ranged  one can only repeat what has been said - by turtling he gave you the map, just take every expo you can get and prepare for when he feels confident enough to move out. keep money in the bank or use it for hatcheries. if he does NOT move out try to find weak spots to break through but be careful, dont waste too much units. defender is always in the advantage of the battle but not of the war | ||
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JuddCaster
United States45 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
protoss spam cannons to get themselves over a specific timing window when they are weak. you just have to get there before he does. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On August 27 2010 23:10 schaf wrote: well of course. I was posting that though in response to a specific instance of him fighting with hydras against zealots under swarm D: Obviously dark swarm is great with ultraling and helps against cannons, but not if you have mostly hydras and he has zealots out in front of the cannons like in OP's replayi think that was relating to the crackling/ultra tip. and his cannons are ranged | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
@topic: I'm at 12:00 mins now and the game went really good for you, but then you decided to attack him... well storming up a hill with cannons on top isnt really promising success, i guess you learned that. you were denying him the natural until you moved your army back to your main at about 13min, you are at 3 bases and I think you just had to lean back and wait for him to do anything. until that, keep macroing and harassing. that muta attack was ok, but you lost them too easily. cannons are static defenses and unless he puts them everywhere in his base there is always weak spots where you can take out a building... now he has that nasty corsairs and goes overlord hunting. i think you won the game at about 19min where you killed his main (although I really really laughed about bad timing when you moved your OVs away just as his DTs arrive :D), he was at one base and you could have finished it with another hydra push i guess. yeah then you let him back into the game because you were frustrated the whole game and did some silly pushes with hydras under dark swarm and got raped by zealots o_O But to be honest: I would have done way worse  | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
1. You have the whole map scouted. 2. You have enough units to contain the Protoss and keep them from moving out. 3. You make extra hatcheries so you can spend extra resources. 4. Periodically overlord/scourge scout his base to see what he's building, because he will be thinking about how to break the contain. If the Protoss turtles like this, you do have the opportunity to build up your production, so it would be more prudent to do so rather than to be hyper-aggressive against someone who is counting on you to be hyper-aggressive. Once you have a lot of production going, you'll be able to launch much stronger attacks against a turtling Protoss and even if you lose a lot in your attacks, you'll still have money while the Protoss will be starving. | ||
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Tristanity
Malaysia45 Posts
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Nanaki
Belgium12 Posts
When he's got cannons/zealots on his front door don't bust it. Just keep adding to your army/expanding. What happened is, as soon as you army got decimated at his front door, he took his natural. I liked the dropping very much. :D | ||
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