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On August 07 2010 03:15 Frigo wrote:
I always wondered why terrans keep up m&m production when its capability to deal damage gets significantly weaker and they need to transition to tank and mines anyway.

Can an aggressive lurker/hydra kill terran while he's switching?

Is it possible to exploit mech weakness and backstab like in the case of pure mech?

On August 07 2010 22:31 koreasilver wrote:
The thing about using guardians is that goliaths actually do quite well against them since the goliath AA attack has ridiculous range, and because guardians take full damage against the goliath air attack, unlike mutalisks that only take half (and even then mutalisks often lose to goliaths). If the Terran has kept a decent tank count then it's hard for the hydras to protect the guardians from goliaths and even vessels because the tank range will melt your hydras if they try to get into the range where they can attack the vessels and goliaths. Hydra guardian can work really well against a standard bio composition but it's rather hard to transition into that unit composition when the game starts off as a normal 1rax cc bio vs 3hatch muta. The transition to hydraguardian off of 2hatch mutas is really all-in as you are squeezing all your resources into an attempted killing attack, so in that case the person who wins is already kinda decided when the hydraguardian attack happens. If you fail to break the Terran right then then you're kinda dead unless you do some grievous damage, then you've kinda won before the whole mech transition happens anyway.

On August 08 2010 05:40 basx_ble wrote:
As bw comes to an end (sc2) its becoming more and more obvious that T has an advantage. No game can be perfectly balanced, but BW was so close that it took 10 years to figure out which race was truly 'op'.

On August 08 2010 05:46 Severedevil wrote:

Peddle your goat shit in the SC2 forum.

On August 08 2010 05:39 Severedevil wrote:

I find it pretty easy to transition to hydraguardian after 2 hatch muta (and not be all-in because I've got 3 bases), but maybe I'm just playing at too low a level.

If Terran is contained, it's pretty easy to set up hydras outside his base at some sort of ramp/choke-ish space and jump him when he comes out. Unlike lurkers, hydras can take down valks/vessels, they're a lot more mobile, and you don't need to spend all your larva on Zerglings to back them up --> extra drones.

On August 08 2010 05:40 basx_ble wrote:
As bw comes to an end (sc2) its becoming more and more obvious that T has an advantage. No game can be perfectly balanced, but BW was so close that it took 10 years to figure out which race was truly 'op'.

On August 08 2010 05:40 basx_ble wrote:
As bw comes to an end (sc2) its becoming more and more obvious that T has an advantage. No game can be perfectly balanced, but BW was so close that it took 10 years to figure out which race was truly 'op'.

On August 07 2010 22:31 koreasilver wrote:
The thing about using guardians is that goliaths actually do quite well against them since the goliath AA attack has ridiculous range, and because guardians take full damage against the goliath air attack, unlike mutalisks that only take half (and even then mutalisks often lose to goliaths). If the Terran has kept a decent tank count then it's hard for the hydras to protect the guardians from goliaths and even vessels because the tank range will melt your hydras if they try to get into the range where they can attack the vessels and goliaths. Hydra guardian can work really well against a standard bio composition but it's rather hard to transition into that unit composition when the game starts off as a normal 1rax cc bio vs 3hatch muta. The transition to hydraguardian off of 2hatch mutas is really all-in as you are squeezing all your resources into an attempted killing attack, so in that case the person who wins is already kinda decided when the hydraguardian attack happens. If you fail to break the Terran right then then you're kinda dead unless you do some grievous damage, then you've kinda won before the whole mech transition happens anyway.

On August 08 2010 07:24 basx_ble wrote:



o.o chill down....? lol

On August 08 2010 07:40 koreasilver wrote:

You always get a third gas when you're going guardians off of 2hatch muta. There's almost no reason that you won't be able to take a third during the mutalisk timing. The thing is, it doesn't really matter if you have a third or not because if you go guardians off of 2hatch muta you will have to continuously pump mutalisks in order to go guardians, and your quick hive for the sake of getting guardians makes you extremely fragile as you'll have nothing else (no ground upgrades, no lurkers, no defilers). You're squeezing all your resources into guardians and mutas (or hydras) and so your third is meaningless in creating a stable unit composition and economy for the late game. It basically just becomes a means to get the gas for guardians. There is really just no way that going guardians off of 2hatch muta will not be an all-in. If you don't kill the Terran or inflict some grievous damage to them you will lose the game.

Setting hydras outside of the Terran's base isn't going to do anything compared to lurkers. Lurkers are just far better at making it difficult for the Terran to move through a specific choke. You won't be able to spend your larva on drones either, because unlike lurkers that can hold their ground in relatively small numbers, hydras need to reach a very high mass to be effective. That means you're going to have to spend more, if not all your larva on hydras once you start to produce them. Using lurkerling gives you much more leeway to produce drones.


rofl

On August 08 2010 07:24 basx_ble wrote:



o.o chill down....? lol

User was banned for this post.

On August 06 2010 00:20 Firien wrote:
terran imba
i believe you could drop your way to win. You can drop on top of tanks like in that zero vs flash game(didnt work there, but i believe if he attacked any other position with such mass drops he would have breaked the line . the left side of polaris rhapsody is more wide open) or you could try dropping some in main ( possibly defilers + lurkers under swarm; lurkers are really good if they have time to burrow under swarm, if u could burrow them on the main-->natural ramp you could possibly delay tanks for a while before irradiate comes)
i think they could use guardians or just mutalisks to deal with mines and attack only after clearing all the mines up.
and you can always DONT ATTACK and wait till they come. On polaris rhapsody there are good siege positions everywhere, but on fighting spirit the moment he would decide to attack with good scouting you could break it.

On August 20 2010 16:59 JuddCaster wrote:

Overreaction much? I understand the rules tell you to respect people with more posts than you, but did he really deserve to get banned for telling someone who was swearing at him to calm down?

Anyway, why aren't mass mutas a viable option? You could prevent your opponent from expanding, and if you make enough, they'll have to send most of their army to come get you(assuming they even have enough Goliaths to stop it) and you can just fly right over to their base while they try to scurry back. It would take advantage of their immobility to the maximum, since mutas are so quick. AND it would make any tanks they may have produced pretty much useless. And couldn't you just keep that up while expanding yourself until they starve? I'm guessing there's a gaping hole in this suggestion because no one else seems to have said this alone is enough to win.