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Nice lineups for OZ in the end.
Gogo SKT though!
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Oz has a chance if JD beats fantasy and their two zergs win their ZvZs.
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is this for real? this is definately one of the better lineups Oz could have hoped for. they can almost pull 3 wins without JD
edit: ok now day 2 posted. looks like oz will be trying to win day 1 again, but if perfectman can snipe bisu, day 2 is also a possibility
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oh hey, Day 1 is extremely winnable for Oz, if their zergs perform... and Canata v Lomo might be close.
Jaedong V Fantasy will be so tense though
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NO BISU VS JAEDONG!!
Day 1.. the first game can easily turn the match in favor for another team.
Both very strong players capable of taking a game from each other.
This first game can really give confidence to the winner's team and boost morales.
Bisu playing last doesn't seem good to me though. Why put one of your best player last?
Day 2.. seems in favor for SKT1. (or I am just biased). Bisu's PvP is superb and known for the amazing micro in big battles. Not sure how PerfectMan will perform though.
Jaedong is matched up against Hyuk.. who is a SKT1 zerg. Enough said. It is a good MU for SKT1 to give one of their worser player to the other team's ace.
fantasy's TvT is really good, defeating Leta and Canata while HiyA's TvT is like 40%?
BeSt may be known for his PvP.. but it seems lately he's only good for his PvT. So I think SKT1 has a really good chance the second day.
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Hell yes! Hiya vs Bisu, Jaedong vs Fantasy will make up for all the other boring matchups on day 1. Day 2 looks pretty dull except for Hiya vs Fantasy. I could see it going either way at least. Can't wait.
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why does the oz coach send out ggaemo when he has the perfectly fine perfectman in day 1?
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Oz has a big fucking shot to take this down. Can't wait for JD Fantasy.. and I seriously can't even imagine the intenseness of a super ace... Fantasy or Bisu? OR BOXER?!
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oz day one looks gooooddd
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On August 03 2009 17:20 Zinbiel wrote:
why does the oz coach send out ggaemo when he has the perfectly fine perfectman in day 1?
ggaemo has way better chances to beat HyuK on Medusa than PerfectMan, expecially considering that ggaemo practiced to play Effort on this map.
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Oz actually has a chance to take it. If Jaedong wins against Fantasy on day 1 there is good chance for oz to take it to the ace at least and the ace map is really bad for P so it will be again Fantasy to play Jaedong.
On the 2nd, Oz is in worse position but still. If Backho performs well this can be dragged till the ace match.
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These are great lineups for OZ, props to the coach for doing what he can. Day 1 could go either way very easily and while Day 2 is certainly SKT favored, these playoffs have been so full of snipes that anything could happen.
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I'm surprised JD gets to play times on Outsider, I thought he will get Medusa in day one. Same with Bisu. Oz have a pretty good shot to take it in day 1, but if fantasy wins the first game, it will go very fast downhill for Oz. Imagine how demotivating will be to see your best team mate go down in the very first game of the match
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O=
Oz can take this 2-0
Very good lineups for them props for the coach
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I hope SKT zergs can win at least one match
I believe~ ;;
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oh fuck, Perfectman vs Bisu
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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I BELIVE!
Gotta give it up for coach Cho, he has really shown his ability to pick the right players for the right maps. Now it'll be interesting to see what ggaemo and killer can do against these SKT zergs!
I also belive in perfectman!
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i may be a newbie in terms of post counts, but seriously i don'T know what you are talking about.
These are horrible lineups for JD/oz, fantasy will mech him day 1 and a newbie zerg in day 2 is also not very good. Remember T>Z. Both Days SK wins with ez.
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
OZ TOO EZ
oh and by the way
 Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.
Looks like Hyuk got his wish
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Definitely very winnable for Oz. Especially since Ace maps are all very favorable for ZvP. And T1 might have to use Fantasy for Ace rather than Bisu.
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Haha come on guys, I'm rooting for Oz but to think that Perfectman has any more than like a 10% chance to beat Bisu is going too far.
If Fantasy vs Jaedong delivers here and in OSL, it may just supercede Flash vs Jaedong.
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On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish
Good, then OZ already won it
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Let's go Oz! Great lineups for them, but as usual there will be some upsets. I just can't wait for this.
 Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > PerfectMan
Here's your chance to make it big, PerfectMan. Don't mess up and you can be just like GuemChi!
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
On August 03 2009 17:48 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish Good, then OZ already won it
don't you know SKT1 is immune to my curse?
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no kona NOOO what are u doing 
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On August 03 2009 17:49 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 17:48 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish Good, then OZ already won it don't you know SKT1 is immune to my curse?
Tell that to Canata
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On August 03 2009 17:49 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 17:48 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish Good, then OZ already won it don't you know SKT1 is immune to my curse?
Remind me to quote you on this
when SKT inevitably loses.
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
On August 03 2009 17:50 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 17:49 konadora wrote:On August 03 2009 17:48 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish Good, then OZ already won it don't you know SKT1 is immune to my curse? Tell that to Canata
SKT1 as a team
kek
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Haha konadora putting it all on the line here!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
ah hahahaha
that took like a minute for you to find and post
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On August 03 2009 17:53 motbob wrote:ah hahahaha that took like a minute for you to find and post
i just searched "telecom" and looked for konadora's OPs
ez
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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On August 03 2009 17:48 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish Good, then OZ already won it
yeap, now oz has this thing ez.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
LOL! Will kona's curse be broken? Or will he curse SKT1 to oblivion???
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Not seeing Soo in the main lineup after his pimp interview makes me fear a surprising Ace match...
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
IT'S SKT1
THEY CAN BREAK ANY SHIT
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i'm so hot for the finals right now!
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BackHo's going to pound Best. I can't wait to see all the tearful T1 fanboys because I'm just that hard of a character.
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Why did SKT1 send Hyuk out instead of BoxeR? It's not like Hyuk has a better chance of winning than BoxeR... Oh well. Day 1 SKT1 4-2, Day 2 SKT1 4-1.
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skt1 is definatly favorites imo, their zerg is on lvl or better than oz zergz(except jaedong ofc).
But why no boxer.... i really hope hes making that awsometactic to the superace then 
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they really could pick BoxeR instead of Hyuk imo  would be awesome ...
but oh well , SKT should win this ... at least i hope so
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I reeaaally hope the maps are better next season. I can't stand how many fucking mirrors they are.
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If Jaedong can beat Fantasy then I can definately see Oz taking Day 1 and then counting on the super ace again. Oz looks pretty fucked in Day 2 though
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It's a race to ace for both Oz both days. There are so many matches in flux, devaluing each match, especially those on day two.
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now it's not about skt1 vs oz anymore, it's skt1 vs THE CURRSSSEEE
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On August 03 2009 17:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
Oz has a big fucking shot to take this down. Can't wait for JD Fantasy.. and I seriously can't even imagine the intenseness of a super ace... Fantasy or Bisu? OR BOXER?!
OR ILOVEOOV?
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ROFL why'd they send 2 zergs, Oz zergs practice with jaedong man. ><
HiyA has a good shot of beating bisu in Day 1 since it's his best matchup vs Bisus worst. Lomos cheesy TvT has a good chance of owning Canata's slow methodical TvT. Best sucks. Hyuk and thezerg suck. Even if Jaedong loses Oz has a great chance of winning in day1
Day 2 is rigged though, if perfectman snipes Bisu we need a bonjwa thread for him. Jaedong is gonna win for sure, BackHo will win if he pulls out the BackHo vs Flash game on desti but this is highly unlikely. Killer is gonna win for sure.
But then Fantasy and best are gonna win two straight and send it to ace on Taekdusa. Jaedong has a chance, but most likely not because this is Bisus map.
Jaedong vs Bisu on Super Ace for sure, most epic game in BW history, probably gonna end with a complete one sided rape by one player.
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On August 03 2009 18:19 tobi9999 wrote:
ROFL why'd they send 2 zergs, Oz zergs practice with jaedong man. ><
HiyA has a good shot of beating bisu in Day 1 since it's his best matchup vs Bisus worst. Lomos cheesy TvT has a good chance of owning Canata's slow methodical TvT. Best sucks. Hyuk and thezerg suck. Even if Jaedong loses Oz has a great chance of winning in day1
i'm as big of an oz fanboy as the next guy, but basically you're saying that magikarp > charizard because water > fire. i don't care how wide hiya opens his mouth, there's nothing about his play right now that merits someone saying that he stands even a reasonable shot of beating bisu.
that said, i think oz is really lucky their two non-JD zergs both landed ZvZs. Probably the easiest matchup to prepare for, and having JD to help them with their zvz is a huge asset.
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where's this gonna be on the 1st day? OGN or MBC?
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SUPER ACE:
Bisu vs. Jaedong
Epic 40 minute PvZ where JD comes out on top, he runs out into the crowd while bisu hangs himself in his booth!
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wow first game is gonna be sick
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so many mirror ffs so sick
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VERY good line-ups for OZ... especially day 1. If they can win that we're pretty much guaranteed a super-ace.
Assuming Jaedong can be perfect (which ofc is the assumption in regular matches, but will be hard against fantasy), the odds of at least 2 of those other match-ups (mainly the two ZvZs) going in Oz's favor is good!
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BTW, the super ace is Destination.
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2-0 for SKT or Bisu > JD in the super ace.
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Oz's Zergs just have to deliver in Day 1 and Jaedong should win Super Ace again. Really nice strat.
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The day 1 lineup isn't as great for Oz as some of you apparently think, but it is decent. The problem is, even if they make it to super ace, I'd give Bisu even odds against the Dong.
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On August 03 2009 19:00 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
The day 1 lineup isn't as great for Oz as some of you apparently think, but it is decent. The problem is, even if they make it to super ace, I'd give Bisu even odds against the Dong.
JD vs. bisu rematch on destination for super ace would be so sick. i'd give JD the edge in a straight-up game, considering how he has man-handled bisu on this map in the past
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On August 03 2009 19:00 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
The day 1 lineup isn't as great for Oz as some of you apparently think, but it is decent. The problem is, even if they make it to super ace, I'd give Bisu even odds against the Dong.
Not on destination ... Probably fantasy could .
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i definatly think bisu v jeadong is a tossup, and i really hope they meet in ace/superace. This finals need an epic ending like that
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who SKT is gonna send for superace is a tossup, Oz is gonna send Jaedong for sure. OR MABYE PERFECTMAN LOL
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On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish
T1 fanbois, BURN THIS GUY ON A STAKE IF T1 LOSES!!!
wow, one hell of a way to start with jaedong vs fantasy, can't wait till friday >.<
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On August 03 2009 18:37 Julmust wrote:SUPER ACE: Bisu vs. JaedongEpic 40 minute PvZ where JD comes out on top, he runs out into the crowd while bisu hangs himself in his booth!
hanging's not funny dawg
it's time for failzurgs to stop failing
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id be a perfectman fan forever if he pulls this off...
and wtf no boxer? D:
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On August 03 2009 19:17 tobi9999 wrote:
who SKT is gonna send for superace is a tossup, Oz is gonna send Jaedong for sure. OR MABYE PERFECTMAN LOL
PerfectMan vs Bisu would be the best superace match ever.
That way, he can win and we can re-open QuickStriker's PerfectMan hype thread
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omg at the number of mirror matches..
Day1:
Fantasy > Jaedong
Canata < Lomo
Hyuk > ggaemo
Best < Backho
TheZerg < Killer
Bisu < HiyA
T1 Oz: 2-4
Day2:
Bisu > PerfectMan
Hyuk < Jaedong
Canata > Backho
TheZerg < Killer
Fantasy > Hiya
Best > Lomo
T1 Oz: 4:2
Ultimate Ace
Fantasy < Jaedong
=D
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Day1 looks a bit hairy for SKT. Should send Bisu earlier IMO.... but I BELIEVE!!
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blah, I was hoping SKT would choose Mong or Boxer over sending a second zerg, but I guess it can't be helped since it was only zerg maps left after the four starters were sent out :l
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man i can soooooooooooo see a CJ victory, if we made it here... ahhh
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Well I've voted for Hwaseung Oz, haha, screw liquibet :D
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We need a "looking forward to match" poll so Bisu vs. Perfectman can max out.
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On August 03 2009 20:30 crucifix wrote:
Well I've voted for Hwaseung Oz, haha, screw liquibet :D
ahah I voted SKT but I don't know why really... Hwaseung will show somethingh that nobody are excpecting...
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SKT1 4-0 both days with 50 new topics about map imbalance.
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Preety good draw for Oz actualy on both days. Think they can win day 1 preety easy
Voted Oz on LB if they get it i could prob get Top 5 at least
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Perfect man will have the perfect micro the perfect cheese and will show us a perfect game.
just like his last game.
Go go jaedong
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Perfectman or perfect sniper?
Also too bad Hiya and Backho didn't get an SKT zerg for easy 3-3 into ace match...
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Good draw for OZ, but they really need ggaemo and Killer to step it up. SKT Zergs might be bad, but I have a feeling that their experience in the end will help guide them to victory. As long as Hyuk + TheZerg don't lose both games, then T1 has a great shot at winning Day 1 and 2. That said, if Jaedong loses to start the day off vs. Fantasy, then OZ is absolutely fucked.
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
Looks to me like a 4-2 for SKT both days. But for OZ to have a shot, Jaedong has to win all his games. If he drops a game, then they might as well just give up.
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The draw worked out well for OZ, but I still feel like it would have been way closer if CJ was playing. I also agree that it will be a 4-2 both days, but you never know. I really didn't expect OZ to make it past cJ, so we will just have to see I guess.
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Day 1 is crucial for both teams. This can go both ways.
Day 2, on the other hand, seems to favor SKT1.
Good luck! I can't wait to see this. GO SKT1!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perfectman will rape Bisu..you just watch.
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As good as Jaedong is, fantasy has been prepping for a game against him for quite some time now. He'll be more than ready, so I think he's got a pretty good shot.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Purely based on statistical data... but you may criticize the data I picked and the way I calculated the likely winner (multiplied winning percentages and compared them, higher > lower; if winning percentage = 0 or 1, I ignored that ratio)as you see fit, of course.
Map / Player / Race – (Map - Race win ratio) – Map / Player / Race
x = no data, .5 by default (I know, I know... terrible idea)
I picked up someone's idea of fantasy as Ace #1 (If it's Bisu, doesn't matter much to the %, as Neo Harmony sports a lovely 75% ZvP win ratio), and was lazy for day 2 so I didn't
calculate all %... if the (statistical) winner was obvious.
Day 1 - T1 3:4 OZ
 fantasy < Outsider > Jaedong
.96 - .43 - .53 (.44 TvZ) .50 - .57 - .65
0.09626 – 0.09818
Canata < Shades of Twilight > Lomo
x - .5 - .55 (-) .44 - .5 - .41
0.1375 – 0.092
Hyuk < Neo Medusa > ggaemo
x – 1 - .42 (-) x – 0 - .5
0.21 - .25
BeSt < Colosseum II > BackHo
.8 – x - .69 (-) .25 – x - .5
0,276 – 0,0625
Thezerg < God's Garden > Killer
.43 – x - .32 (-) 1 – x - x
0,0688 – 0,25
Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > HiyA
.72 - .67 - .61 (.46 PvT) x - .33 - .63
0,13536 – 0,0561
fantasy < Neo Harmony > Jaedong
.96 - .43 - .53 (.44 TvZ) .50 - .57 - .65
0,0962 – 0,10374
Day 2 - T1 1:4 OZ (1:4, but if it comes to Super Ace, JD is likely to win)
Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > PerfectMan
.71 - x - .67 (-) .40 - x - .33
Hyuk < Outsider > Jaedong
.5 - 0 - .42 (-) .5 - 1 - .77
Canata < Destination > BackHo
.38 - 1 - .53 (.41 TvP) .67 - 0 - .55
Thezerg < God's Garden > Killer
.43 – x - .32 (-) 1 – x - x
fantasy < Neo Harmony > HiyA
.40 - 0 - .60 (-) .75 - 1 - .40
BeSt < Shades of Twilight > Lomo
1 - x - .64 (.64 PvT) .44 - x - .46
Bisu < Neo Medusa > Jaedong
.75 - .46 - .65 (.40 PvZ) .78 - .54 - .66
0,0897 – 0,1668
Personally, I think Oz wins day 2 rather than day1 (with fantasy beating HiyA)... and I do think JD wins the Super Ace,
but the margin is as small as it gets.
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Records:
Fantasy 3 - 4 Jaedong
Bisu 6 - 7 Jaedong ("IT'S CALLED HOLD POSITION, BRO!")
If anyone can take JD out in Super ace, it's SKT.
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wtf. 12 places you can fill and not one of em Boxer or Oov..
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jaedong is going to infest fantasy's command center
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Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss SKT coach was being an idiot and sent 2 Zergs out!! Just as planned ^_^ Now Oz definitely can take day 1, and then it's up to Jaedong.
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Oh how epic it would be if the failzergs won the title for SKT.
EDIT: hey look, a rhyme! :D
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wow, i can't believe SKT1 would actually risk putting up 2 zergs, i was hoping they'd put up Boxer instead of one of the zergs
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SKT's only chance is to take it to superace and win it there which is not going to happen.
Bisu is probably cutting sleep and practicing 24/7 PvZ for that super Ace and he's gonna lose on both day 1 and 2.
Oz might just win 2-0
Keep in mind that Oz just beat CJ and has much more momentum in them.
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I think people underrate Hyuk and Thezerg, and I see fairly decent wins for SKTT1
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Fun fact: backho should be the favorite to win both of his games.
Another fun semi-subjective semi-fact: Jaedong is really clutch especially in games as important as this.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 03 2009 18:28 skronch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 18:19 tobi9999 wrote:
ROFL why'd they send 2 zergs, Oz zergs practice with jaedong man. ><
HiyA has a good shot of beating bisu in Day 1 since it's his best matchup vs Bisus worst. Lomos cheesy TvT has a good chance of owning Canata's slow methodical TvT. Best sucks. Hyuk and thezerg suck. Even if Jaedong loses Oz has a great chance of winning in day1 i'm as big of an oz fanboy as the next guy, but basically you're saying that magikarp > charizard because water > fire. i don't care how wide hiya opens his mouth, there's nothing about his play right now that merits someone saying that he stands even a reasonable shot of beating bisu. that said, i think oz is really lucky their two non-JD zergs both landed ZvZs. Probably the easiest matchup to prepare for, and having JD to help them with their zvz is a huge asset.
This post made me lol.
We need a visual aid for this one.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Hwaseung can win both matches actually.
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On August 03 2009 18:01 thopol wrote:
BackHo's going to pound Best. I can't wait to see all the tearful T1 fanboys because I'm just that hard of a character.
This is actually a match I am really looking forward to (aside from JD v Fantasy, of course). Firstly, there haven't been that many PvPs of late given the composition of the OSL and MSL. And while BeSt historically has some top notch PvP, BackHo has not been playing terribly either, especially in that matchup. I'd like to see if BeSt can bring out his older level of play.
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if perfectman beats bisu
we shall see the downfall of the revolutionist and an age of bm to befall the starcraft community
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On August 03 2009 23:39 Nylan wrote:
Oh how epic it would be if the failzergs won the title for SKT.
EDIT: hey look, a rhyme! :D
you mean fantasy and bisu losing but the fail zergs wining their matches?
that would be pretty funny.
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need to send petition to kespa to decrease mirrors
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Norway1530 Posts
BeSt on Colosseum!! nuff said
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Looks great for Oz in day 1, and for day 2 Perfectman's gonna snipe Bisu perfectly =D.
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Fantasy vs Jaedong is the deciding match if Oz can make this a super Ace. In Day 2 SkT is feeding Jaedong a zerg, and their 4 best players will take it home before the Ace match.
Day1 if Jaedong can take down fantasy, then we will have the rest of the SkT big 4 win their 3 games, and Oz zerg wins both zvzs, and it will be Jaedong vs Bisu for Ace match.
Jaedong has to take down 3 SkTelecon Aces to win the whole thing,(including the super Ace if they win day 1) whereas SkTelecon only needs to take one of these 3 games to seal Oz's run.
My prediction is Jaedong will be unbeatable in day1 beating both fantasy and Bisu, but in the Super Ace Bisu will have his revenge.
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(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >
There's a 4-0 coming. Only thing im not to certain about is Jaedong vs Fanta.. But i feel like Fanta will want the win much much more.
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong (LOL)
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo (MORE EPIC FAILFACE PL0X)
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
4-1
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It would be so epic if oz took both sets, thus no super ace match
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 04 2009 01:13 StorrZerg wrote:
It would be so epic if oz took both sets, thus no super ace match
Possible, but not very likely. And holy shit Best is 12-1 on both versions of Colosseum.
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Easy, probably in their sleep. Hell even I could probably do it!
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On August 03 2009 23:39 Nylan wrote:
Oh how epic it would be if the failzergs won the title for SKT.
EDIT: hey look, a rhyme! :D
What rhyme?
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lol..i wouldn't say "easily" but..all of them have recently taken games off of Jaedong... You never know~
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Its probably better to send in boxer than hyuk!
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On August 04 2009 01:21 Garnet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 23:39 Nylan wrote:
Oh how epic it would be if the failzergs won the title for SKT.
EDIT: hey look, a rhyme! :D What rhyme?
It doesn't flow well at all, but I thought it was funny.
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PERFECTMAN FOR THE WIN!
Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
(P)Bisu < Neo Harmony > (Z)Jaedong
Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan (SNIPE HIM PERFECTMAN)
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong (LOL)
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
SUPER ACE:
Bisu < JAEDONGGGGGG
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Where's Boxer? Would have been entertaining if he showed up in at least one match. He did show he can play well against some of the ACE veterans like Anytime/Reach in the Estars tournament.
Lineups for Day 1 seem to favor Oz slightly. Oz has the chance to take day 1 with those two ZvZ's against the SKTFail Zergs.
Day 2 is probably going to be a 4-2 SKT win with the sole wins coming from Jaedong/Killer or Backho.
Then, a Super ACE yet again. SKT probably going to send out Fantasy. After all, hasn't he been practicing against Jaedong for the OSL too?
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Oz will win in ace match day one. JD will win super ace day two.
JD will go down as the best BW player in history.
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Looks pretty bad for Oz, actually. Hiya, Lomo, and Backho are facing Canata, Bisu, and Best, who are quite a bit better than they are. It would be more ideal of Oz if they send their top players against the SKT1 zergs and use their own lower-end players as scapegoats.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On August 04 2009 01:39 B1nary wrote:
Looks pretty bad for Oz, actually. Hiya, Lomo, and Backho are facing Canata, Bisu, and Best, who are quite a bit better than they are. It would be more ideal of Oz if they send their top players against the SKT1 zergs and use their own lower-end players as scapegoats.
i think you mean sacrificial lambs, not scapegoats
you are getting your metaphorical farm animal expressions confused
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wow, oz has a surprisingly good chance to take this
T1 zergs need to pull through if SKT wants to avoid a super ace with JD; then again if anyone has a chance of taking on JD in a super ace (or in an ace match on day 1), it's bisu, or maybe fantasy (although this guy isn't proven for ace match play, it looks like he'll be specifically preparing for JD anyway)
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I think people are being too harsh on the SKT failzergs. It's not like killer and ggaemo are particularly strong zergs either.
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As an Oz Fan, I'd have to say they have to be careful against SKT zergs because each team could practice for a long time. They know who they're playing and on what map. They could just practice and practice so, maybe SKT zergs will be able to somewhat pull off a win. Though, Oz should win, for the love of God.
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On August 04 2009 01:44 GGQ wrote:
I think people are being too harsh on the SKT failzergs. It's not like killer and ggaemo are particularly strong zergs either.
but doesn't take much to be better than the t1 fail zergs xD thus they are better
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 04 2009 01:21 Garnet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2009 23:39 Nylan wrote:
Oh how epic it would be if the failzergs won the title for SKT.
EDIT: hey look, a rhyme! :D What rhyme?
Oh, how epic it would be,
if the failzergs won the title for S-K-T
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On August 04 2009 01:31 Apex wrote:
Where's Boxer? Would have been entertaining if he showed up in at least one match. He did show he can play well against some of the ACE veterans like Anytime/Reach in the Estars tournament.
Lineups for Day 1 seem to favor Oz slightly. Oz has the chance to take day 1 with those two ZvZ's against the SKTFail Zergs.
Day 2 is probably going to be a 4-2 SKT win with the sole wins coming from Jaedong/Killer or Backho.
Then, a Super ACE yet again. SKT probably going to send out Fantasy. After all, hasn't he been practicing against Jaedong for the OSL too?
....ggameo and Killer? against Hyuk and thezerg?.. i know SKT zergs suck but ggameo and Killer are just awful
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However bad ggaemo and Killer may have done in the past, they (like their SKT counterparts) have presumably been practicing nothing but zvz for the past.. well, forever.
IMO this match will all come down to which team's "crappy" zergs deliver on day 1. Except Oz's get to practice ZvJ. I'm predicting a re-run of Oz vs CJ.
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Its not perfectman sniping bisu.
Its Bisu sniping perfectman.
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It's hard to bet against Jaedong, especially with his vT record. I see him beating fantasy, but I somehow doubt the zerg players on SKT will be as bad as people seem to think they are. I'm willing to bet they'll lose 1 of 2 matches, but I doubt they'll lose both. As long as one of the zerg players picks up a point, Bisu will end it before an ace match.
Day 2, however, could get interesting. The first match should be a Bisu victory, but then the next three I can see OZ sweeping, which will force SKT to win out even to get an ace match. Then it's anybody's game.
It'll all come down to who prepares more - will we see something like with Iris v perfectman? Rumor has it that Iris has been practicing for the single player leagues a lot more than for PL and he got sniped very badly. I wonder if SKT has laid down the law for their players that PL is the most important one to the sponsor? Or if that's even the case...
Either way, I'm pumped for these games!
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Hmm.... wow, I am amazed how OZ was able to bring this lineup as close as it can get... however....
we're talking SKT1 here and they are the kings and #1 of proleague!!! They will not fall easily to this....... team JD! As such, here are my thoughts:
Yep, QuickStriker's personal predictions.... yes, Day 2 seems like a dream and all but I believe!!!! And Bisu vs JD would be too epic to predict....
Note: Carnac, I know you are here and you may be reading this, so I'll say it straight up. I know you locked my 1000th post OP about PerfectMan and how perfect he is but in the case on Day 2 where PerfectMan actually snipes and destroys Bisu, I STRONGLY suggest you to unlock and make my thread alive again instead of calling it pointless and meaningless of such a thread. If guemchi = next bonjwa thread exist, why can't mine? Especially if PerfectMan pulls another perfection!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98933
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Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage.
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Definitely not as favorable as a lineup as Oz had vs CJ (day 1), but it's possible. Just possible.
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Decent lineup for OZ. They definitly have a chance. Somehow, someway, I just see it coming down to Jaedong and Bisu on neo medusa for all the marbles.
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Man, this is gonna screw with my sleep cycle so much...
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The OZ Spartans are training while T1 is sleeping...
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I predict another Jaedong upset.
Hyuk > Jaedong Maybe Hyuk got some tips from Orion
Hopefully either 1) SKT1 wins 2-0 or 2) Comes down to a SuperAce match in which Bisu>Jaedong
But Oz DOES have a chance of winning it all.
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ggaemo and Jaedong will be hyuked!
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I don't know why people think that Oz did such a good job with lineups. I think the SKT1 coach actually ended up with more favorable matchups.
Consider that Oz only has a few players besides Jaedong who are solid: Backho, Hiya, and Lomo. Lomo is like 50% solid, but we'll count him.
These players are each matched up against players that have a definite advantage against them: Best, Bisu, and Canata on day 1, and Canata, Fantasy, and Best on day 2.
I think SKT has a strong advantage in all of these games, and should take both sets without going to super Ace.
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On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage.
Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear.
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On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear.
Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster.
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The first match on day 1 seems to be quite decisive. Many of the predictions however seem to underestimate the SKT zergs. At last Hyuk and Thezerg have both played won more than one televised ZvZ before. That is something Killer and ggaemo cannot claim between them.
I'm quite looking forward to Busy vs Hiya. It's not such a stretch that the match will happen. In fact I think one of the SK zergs may just win to allow Bisu to close out the match. If that happens Oz should be in trouble.
One day 2 I think Canata and Thezerg should be able to get one game in between them to allow fantasy and Best to put the pressure on.
All in all I fear Best will fail SK, but one of the zergs could just step it up!
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On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster.
Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata
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On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata
Heartbreak is a P map, this is what Protoss progamers told me. Nobody tells that Bisu doesn't stand a chance against JD, of course he has, and i agree that his chances are better than Fantasy's and Canata's. People are just pointing out that Jaedong will be a slight favourite on a zerg favoured maps. And on Destination Jaedong has 2:0 record against Bisu, that says a lot imo.
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On August 04 2009 03:07 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Heartbreak is a P map, this is what Protoss progamers told me. Nobody tells that Bisu doesn't stand a chance against JD, of course he has, and i agree that his chances are better than Fantasy's and Canata's. People are just pointing out that Jaedong will be a slight favourite on a zerg favoured maps. And on Destination Jaedong has 2:0 record against Bisu, that says a lot imo.
oh wait..it WAS Heartbreak wasnt it..i thought it was holy world for some reason
...but still, imo Bisu has the greatest chance of taking a game off of Jaedong. Destination isn't THAT imbalanced imo, and bisu DID beat Jaedong in a ACE game...
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Soon to be 3:0 on that map
can't wait for the weekend
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On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata
Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row?
Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy.
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So wait...
there's Fantasy vs Jaedong Day 1, and they're facing each other in OSL?
THIS should be interesting!!!!
i haven't been this excited about PL in awhile~
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On August 04 2009 03:13 B1nary wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row? Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy.
He has to split up his training time about 60/40 for his ZvT vs Fantasy and his ZvZ vs Hyuk.. (actually make it 80/20...) There is a chance Jaedong might not have practiced enough for Bisu. Bisu however has been practicing non-stop for..3 weeks?
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i really hope SKT T1 wins. they havent won in a long time. first game is going to be SO good. i think. >.<
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I'm so pumped to see Fantasy play a ton of huge games against Jaedong in PL and Starleague!
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On August 04 2009 03:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:13 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row? Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy. He has to split up his training time about 60/40 for his ZvT vs Fantasy and his ZvZ vs Hyuk.. (actually make it 80/20...) There is a chance Jaedong might not have practiced enough for Bisu. Bisu however has been practicing non-stop for..3 weeks?
Remember that Bisu has to play IriS tomorrow.
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Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >
Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
< Neo Medusa >
Hyuk will pull an Orion
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Record: 8 wins - 1 losses (88.89%) on outsider for Fantasy. Granted, none against Zerg, but it is his map.
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On August 04 2009 03:31 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 03:13 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row? Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy. He has to split up his training time about 60/40 for his ZvT vs Fantasy and his ZvZ vs Hyuk.. (actually make it 80/20...) There is a chance Jaedong might not have practiced enough for Bisu. Bisu however has been practicing non-stop for..3 weeks? Remember that Bisu has to play IriS tomorrow.
but he also has to play Hiya. He can practice PvT and that'll cover his matches vs Hiya and Perfectman. Jaedong doesn't have that much time to practice~ Bisu has had 3 weeks..
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On August 04 2009 03:42 Railz wrote:
Record: 8 wins - 1 losses (88.89%) on outsider for Fantasy. Granted, none against Zerg, but it is his map.
BeST is 12-1 on both versions of Collo... what now?
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Is SKT1 sure that they should use BeSt and Bisu at such late sets?
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On August 04 2009 03:55 SynC[gm] wrote:
Is SKT1 sure that they should use BeSt and Bisu at such late sets?
I don't really see why it matters. It's probably more important letting players play on their favourite map than getting a psychological advantage with early wins.
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On August 04 2009 03:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:13 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row? Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy. He has to split up his training time about 60/40 for his ZvT vs Fantasy and his ZvZ vs Hyuk.. (actually make it 80/20...) There is a chance Jaedong might not have practiced enough for Bisu. Bisu however has been practicing non-stop for..3 weeks?
Maybe you didn't notice, but Bisu is playing in the MSL tomorrow. A PvT. In the PL he's playing a PvT and a PvP. You honestly think he'll only practice PvZ? And worth mentioning might be that Bisu has recently performed the worst in PvZ out of all his match-ups. Another thing people don't seem to realize is that Backho holds more than a decent chance against Best, possibly even being a favorite.
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Matchups look pretty good for Oz, especially day 1. Lomo is inconsistent but remember he beat fantasy on Shades not too long ago, so he is definitely capable of beating Canata. Oz Zergs have Jaedong to practice ZvZ with while SKT1 Zergs are known for failing. And I think Backho is capable of beating BeSt. Day 2 is slightly worse but there's still a decent chance at Oz bringing it to ace match.
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On August 04 2009 04:07 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 03:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 03:13 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 03:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On August 04 2009 02:59 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 02:53 Random_0 wrote:On August 04 2009 02:22 Athos wrote:
Based on these lineups I have no idea who's going to win since it seems to prone to luck.
In this case, OZ has the advantage because they have the Super Ace Card in Jaedong. They just have to win 1 day and a victory looks certain for them. Therefore, I have to give OZ the advantage. Why does noone give Bisu a chance in super Ace? He's pretty good PvZ, or so I hear. Because the maps favour zerg and Bisu's lost to Zero recently, while Jaedong is a freaking monster. Bisu lost to Zero on a zerg map and against queens. To say that he's not going out because he RECENTLY LOST TO ZERO is a horrible arguement. He has a 65.18% winrate vs zerg. C'mon now. The Revolutionist has a great chance as taking down, if not better, than Fantasy and Canata Well, Bisu beat Jaedong pretty badly the last time they met in an Ace match. As we all know, Jaedong in angry mode = utter rape. Every time you beat Jaedong, your chances of winning the next encounter goes down by 50%. I mean... when was the time last someone beat Jaedong 2 encounters in a row? Ok, seriously. Bisu has a very good chance, especially since he has more time to practice. Jaedong has to prepare for Bisu and Fantasy. I would go as far as saying it'll be 50/50 between Jaedong and Bisu/Fantasy. He has to split up his training time about 60/40 for his ZvT vs Fantasy and his ZvZ vs Hyuk.. (actually make it 80/20...) There is a chance Jaedong might not have practiced enough for Bisu. Bisu however has been practicing non-stop for..3 weeks? Maybe you didn't notice, but Bisu is playing in the MSL tomorrow. A PvT. In the PL he's playing a PvT and a PvP. You honestly think he'll only practice PvZ? And worth mentioning might be that Bisu has recently performed the worst in PvZ out of all his match-ups. Another thing people don't seem to realize is that Backho holds more than a decent chance against Best, possibly even being a favorite.
Well with BackHo and Best is the match who will fail first . I bet on the Ho , because he has the reputation of doing so , but watching Best play in PL this season i don't know should be close .
I also can't tell who is the favourite in the ZvZs in here of course i'm not talking about JD . On OZ side we have zergs other then JD on the SKT side we have the fail zergs . They will probably split a win each .
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1. The first ACE match (should it happen) will be interesting. Neo Harmony is a protoss graveyard, with a full 3:1 advantage for the zerg (guess who bagged one of the four protoss wins however, and against whom he did it...), and there's no way in hell that SKT1 sends a zerg against Jaedong here, so fantasy is the likely pick. I think fantasy's chances are much stronger on Outsider however, so I think on the first day fantasy either wins once, or loses twice.
2. In retrospect, I think that the SKT1 zergs are probably getting the short end of the stick. After I posted my initial predictions, I realized that I predicted Thezerg to win twice, and Hyuk to lose twice, and somehow that doesn't seem right to me. But I think that ggaemo seems to be Oz's best bet (outside of JD, of course) as he has been practicing ZvZ for weeks now, after preparing for EffOrt last round. Killer is a total wild-card, as is Thezerg. These will undoubtably be my lowest confidence picks, at any rate.
3. Should PerfectMan win, how long will the live report thread get?
4. SKT1 has handled BeSt well in this series, he faces a toss and a terran, both generally his stronger match-ups. His PvP recently has been pretty poor however, and that makes BackHo (who deserves more credit) the favorite. BackHo is also strong in PvT and PvP, and I think BackHo may end up as Oz's second hero- he has tough match-ups, but is probably an even draw in both.
5. What map would the super(dooper) ACE be on?
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Oh god. Hyuk... twice! ...and thezerg
They can´t think clearly, Boxers epicness blinds the coaches!
C´mon Boxer to snipe Jaedong twice atleast... bunker rush daaaah!
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On August 04 2009 04:21 tree.hugger wrote:1. The first ACE match (should it happen) will be interesting. Neo Harmony is a protoss graveyard, with a full 3:1 advantage for the zerg (guess who bagged one of the four protoss wins however, and against whom he did it...), and there's no way in hell that SKT1 sends a zerg against Jaedong here, so fantasy is the likely pick. I think fantasy's chances are much stronger on Outsider however, so I think on the first day fantasy either wins once, or loses twice. 2. In retrospect, I think that the SKT1 zergs are probably getting the short end of the stick. After I posted my initial predictions, I realized that I predicted Thezerg to win twice, and Hyuk to lose twice, and somehow that doesn't seem right to me. But I think that ggaemo seems to be Oz's best bet (outside of JD, of course) as he has been practicing ZvZ for weeks now, after preparing for EffOrt last round. Killer is a total wild-card, as is Thezerg. These will undoubtably be my lowest confidence picks, at any rate. 3. Should PerfectMan win, how long will the live report thread get? 4. SKT1 has handled BeSt well in this series, he faces a toss and a terran, both generally his stronger match-ups. His PvP recently has been pretty poor however, and that makes BackHo (who deserves more credit) the favorite. BackHo is also strong in PvT and PvP, and I think BackHo may end up as Oz's second hero- he has tough match-ups, but is probably an even draw in both. 5. What map would the super(dooper) ACE be on?
5. Destination afaik, Highways or someone of the mods should put it in the op i think.
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OZ TOO EZ
oh and by the way
Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.
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Hoejja said exactly the same before KTF vs Oz @ winners league -.-
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On August 04 2009 04:32 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 04:21 tree.hugger wrote:1. The first ACE match (should it happen) will be interesting. Neo Harmony is a protoss graveyard, with a full 3:1 advantage for the zerg (guess who bagged one of the four protoss wins however, and against whom he did it...), and there's no way in hell that SKT1 sends a zerg against Jaedong here, so fantasy is the likely pick. I think fantasy's chances are much stronger on Outsider however, so I think on the first day fantasy either wins once, or loses twice. 2. In retrospect, I think that the SKT1 zergs are probably getting the short end of the stick. After I posted my initial predictions, I realized that I predicted Thezerg to win twice, and Hyuk to lose twice, and somehow that doesn't seem right to me. But I think that ggaemo seems to be Oz's best bet (outside of JD, of course) as he has been practicing ZvZ for weeks now, after preparing for EffOrt last round. Killer is a total wild-card, as is Thezerg. These will undoubtably be my lowest confidence picks, at any rate. 3. Should PerfectMan win, how long will the live report thread get? 4. SKT1 has handled BeSt well in this series, he faces a toss and a terran, both generally his stronger match-ups. His PvP recently has been pretty poor however, and that makes BackHo (who deserves more credit) the favorite. BackHo is also strong in PvT and PvP, and I think BackHo may end up as Oz's second hero- he has tough match-ups, but is probably an even draw in both. 5. What map would the super(dooper) ACE be on? 5. Destination afaik, Highways or someone of the mods should put it in the op i think.
Pretty much a TvZ wonderland, so Fantasy is the safe bet for super ace. It's not bad for PvZ either so Bisu wouldn't be a horrible choice.
It's definitely a hard map for zerg most of the time, though, so SKT's got a good shot if it goes there.
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On August 04 2009 04:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 04:32 (paladin)roMAD wrote:On August 04 2009 04:21 tree.hugger wrote:1. The first ACE match (should it happen) will be interesting. Neo Harmony is a protoss graveyard, with a full 3:1 advantage for the zerg (guess who bagged one of the four protoss wins however, and against whom he did it...), and there's no way in hell that SKT1 sends a zerg against Jaedong here, so fantasy is the likely pick. I think fantasy's chances are much stronger on Outsider however, so I think on the first day fantasy either wins once, or loses twice. 2. In retrospect, I think that the SKT1 zergs are probably getting the short end of the stick. After I posted my initial predictions, I realized that I predicted Thezerg to win twice, and Hyuk to lose twice, and somehow that doesn't seem right to me. But I think that ggaemo seems to be Oz's best bet (outside of JD, of course) as he has been practicing ZvZ for weeks now, after preparing for EffOrt last round. Killer is a total wild-card, as is Thezerg. These will undoubtably be my lowest confidence picks, at any rate. 3. Should PerfectMan win, how long will the live report thread get? 4. SKT1 has handled BeSt well in this series, he faces a toss and a terran, both generally his stronger match-ups. His PvP recently has been pretty poor however, and that makes BackHo (who deserves more credit) the favorite. BackHo is also strong in PvT and PvP, and I think BackHo may end up as Oz's second hero- he has tough match-ups, but is probably an even draw in both. 5. What map would the super(dooper) ACE be on? 5. Destination afaik, Highways or someone of the mods should put it in the op i think. Pretty much a TvZ wonderland, so Fantasy is the safe bet for super ace. It's not bad for PvZ either so Bisu wouldn't be a horrible choice. It's definitely a hard map for zerg most of the time, though, so SKT's got a good shot if it goes there.
After watching Jaedong demolishing SkyHigh on Destination makes me think that JD is very good against mech on it. Although Fantasy's mech style is quite different from SkyHigh's but still. Not talking about Fantasy's bio skills of course. The map is fairly even in PvZ so i think Bisu would be the best choice. I really hope it comes to that. What can be better to round up this long Proleague season.
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cake walk if the ZvZ coin tosses turn out in SKT1's favor.
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Man, these lineups are so crazy awesome. Day 2 could have been better, but Day 1 is the day. OZ wins this day or they go home.
SKT1 FailZergs vs. ggaemo and killer. Admittedly not the most accomplished of players, but they still practice with Jaedong. They've seen more great ZvZ play than anyone else. At least one of these guys must win for OZ to have a chance.
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Day 1 isn't important; it's insurance. If one of the FailZergs happen to take a game, but Jaedong also wins, then it all comes down to BackHo.
After his awesomely crappy performances a few days ago, I have zero faith in Lomo. I'm surprised that OZ didn't put in PerfectMan with some kind of prepared snipe build.
Bisu is not going to lose to Hiya.
That leaves BackHo vs. Best. Best is slumping, while BackHo is doing reasonably well. In the past, BackHo has been able to snatch games from Stork (mostly in GOM), but he isn't known for PvP. Best has the better PvP record, but he's sucking bad recently. Maybe a month spent practicing will reinvigorate his PvP.
The Ace match on Day 1 will require Fantasy; Neo Harmony is death for any Protoss. One of these players will be looking for revenge.
The Super Ace has a problem though: Destination. I suppose OZ thumbs-down'd Shades of Twilight due to the horrible PvZ record. But Fantasy is going to be out on Destination. Jaedong has a winning record there, and his most recent games on the map show strength. It's going to be interesting. Of course, they could send out Bisu, just to get the fated Jaedong vs. Bisu match underway. But I'm guessing they'll play the odds and go for Fantasy (though the outcome of Day 1 might decide that. If Jaedong face-stomps Fantasy, especially if he does it twice, they'll call for Bisu).
A lot of things have to work out right for OZ to win. Jaedong will have to go God-mode, but also their other Zergs need to step up against the FailZergs. And BackHo needs to steal one.
Day 2 is less hopeful, but there's still a chance.
People want to believe that PerfectMan is the ultimate sniper. But I'm pretty sure Bisu was watching that game. And I'm pretty sure Bisu was not impressed. Bisu is Bisu; PerfectMan will not snipe him.
Jaedong should roll up Hyuk; they've played before (unlike Orion).
BackHo vs. Canata. If OZ loses Day 1, BackHo must win this one. Canata has strength; BackHo needs to be at his absolute best here. Fortunately, it's Destination; he's got the map on his side.
Killer needs to win. Again.
I have no expectations of Hiya or Lomo doing anything but getting crushed. Yes, Best is slumping, but Lomo sucks; at least Best at one time was good.
If Jaedong, BackHo, and Killer take theirs on Day 2, then Jaedong will, without question, face Fantasy. They're not putting Bisu out on a map that has a 60% TvZ, but a 60% ZvP. There is one scenario that would prompt them to use Bisu: if OZ took Day 1. You are not going to potentially lose the Proleague Grand Finals in two Ace matches where the Last Dragon Bisu never played in either Ace match. Would you take that chance?
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On August 04 2009 05:08 NicolBolas wrote:
Man, these lineups are so crazy awesome. Day 2 could have been better, but Day 1 is the day. OZ wins this day or they go home.
SKT1 FailZergs vs. ggaemo and killer. Admittedly not the most accomplished of players, but they still practice with Jaedong. They've seen more great ZvZ play than anyone else. At least one of these guys must win for OZ to have a chance.
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Day 1 isn't important; it's insurance. If one of the FailZergs happen to take a game, but Jaedong also wins, then it all comes down to BackHo.
After his awesomely crappy performances a few days ago, I have zero faith in Lomo. I'm surprised that OZ didn't put in PerfectMan with some kind of prepared snipe build.
Bisu is not going to lose to Hiya.
That leaves BackHo vs. Best. Best is slumping, while BackHo is doing reasonably well. In the past, BackHo has been able to snatch games from Stork (mostly in GOM), but he isn't known for PvP. Best has the better PvP record, but he's sucking bad recently. Maybe a month spent practicing will reinvigorate his PvP.
The Ace match on Day 1 will require Fantasy; Neo Harmony is death for any Protoss. One of these players will be looking for revenge.
The Super Ace has a problem though: Destination. I suppose OZ thumbs-down'd Shades of Twilight due to the horrible PvZ record. But Fantasy is going to be out on Destination. Jaedong has a winning record there, and his most recent games on the map show strength. It's going to be interesting. Of course, they could send out Bisu, just to get the fated Jaedong vs. Bisu match underway. But I'm guessing they'll play the odds and go for Fantasy (though the outcome of Day 1 might decide that. If Jaedong face-stomps Fantasy, especially if he does it twice, they'll call for Bisu).
A lot of things have to work out right for OZ to win. Jaedong will have to go God-mode, but also their other Zergs need to step up against the FailZergs. And BackHo needs to steal one.
Day 2 is less hopeful, but there's still a chance.
People want to believe that PerfectMan is the ultimate sniper. But I'm pretty sure Bisu was watching that game. And I'm pretty sure Bisu was not impressed. Bisu is Bisu; PerfectMan will not snipe him.
Jaedong should roll up Hyuk; they've played before (unlike Orion).
BackHo vs. Canata. If OZ loses Day 1, BackHo must win this one. Canata has strength; BackHo needs to be at his absolute best here. Fortunately, it's Destination; he's got the map on his side.
Killer needs to win. Again.
I have no expectations of Hiya or Lomo doing anything but getting crushed. Yes, Best is slumping, but Lomo sucks; at least Best at one time was good.
If Jaedong, BackHo, and Killer take theirs on Day 2, then Jaedong will, without question, face Fantasy. They're not putting Bisu out on a map that has a 60% TvZ, but a 60% ZvP. There is one scenario that would prompt them to use Bisu: if OZ took Day 1. You are not going to potentially lose the Proleague Grand Finals in two Ace matches where the Last Dragon Bisu never played in either Ace match. Would you take that chance?
But it's TaekDusa
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Nice SFA3 reference on the front page 
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2 base arbs, calling it on best.
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United States1865 Posts
Hey whoever is planning on making the PL Finals Day 1 Thread please shoot me a PM
I've got a Hwaseung House all made just for the occasion!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On August 04 2009 05:37 Atrioc wrote:
Hey whoever is planning on making the PL Finals Day 1 Thread please shoot me a PM
I've got a Hwaseung House all made just for the occasion!
Give us a teaser, post the first panel or something
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 04 2009 05:26 StorrZerg wrote:
2 base arbs, calling it on best.
Best has a legitimate shot of easily going 2-0. Colosseum is like HIS map and well Lomo sucks.
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On August 04 2009 05:13 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 05:08 NicolBolas wrote:
Man, these lineups are so crazy awesome. Day 2 could have been better, but Day 1 is the day. OZ wins this day or they go home.
SKT1 FailZergs vs. ggaemo and killer. Admittedly not the most accomplished of players, but they still practice with Jaedong. They've seen more great ZvZ play than anyone else. At least one of these guys must win for OZ to have a chance.
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Day 1 isn't important; it's insurance. If one of the FailZergs happen to take a game, but Jaedong also wins, then it all comes down to BackHo.
After his awesomely crappy performances a few days ago, I have zero faith in Lomo. I'm surprised that OZ didn't put in PerfectMan with some kind of prepared snipe build.
Bisu is not going to lose to Hiya.
That leaves BackHo vs. Best. Best is slumping, while BackHo is doing reasonably well. In the past, BackHo has been able to snatch games from Stork (mostly in GOM), but he isn't known for PvP. Best has the better PvP record, but he's sucking bad recently. Maybe a month spent practicing will reinvigorate his PvP.
The Ace match on Day 1 will require Fantasy; Neo Harmony is death for any Protoss. One of these players will be looking for revenge.
The Super Ace has a problem though: Destination. I suppose OZ thumbs-down'd Shades of Twilight due to the horrible PvZ record. But Fantasy is going to be out on Destination. Jaedong has a winning record there, and his most recent games on the map show strength. It's going to be interesting. Of course, they could send out Bisu, just to get the fated Jaedong vs. Bisu match underway. But I'm guessing they'll play the odds and go for Fantasy (though the outcome of Day 1 might decide that. If Jaedong face-stomps Fantasy, especially if he does it twice, they'll call for Bisu).
A lot of things have to work out right for OZ to win. Jaedong will have to go God-mode, but also their other Zergs need to step up against the FailZergs. And BackHo needs to steal one.
Day 2 is less hopeful, but there's still a chance.
People want to believe that PerfectMan is the ultimate sniper. But I'm pretty sure Bisu was watching that game. And I'm pretty sure Bisu was not impressed. Bisu is Bisu; PerfectMan will not snipe him.
Jaedong should roll up Hyuk; they've played before (unlike Orion).
BackHo vs. Canata. If OZ loses Day 1, BackHo must win this one. Canata has strength; BackHo needs to be at his absolute best here. Fortunately, it's Destination; he's got the map on his side.
Killer needs to win. Again.
I have no expectations of Hiya or Lomo doing anything but getting crushed. Yes, Best is slumping, but Lomo sucks; at least Best at one time was good.
If Jaedong, BackHo, and Killer take theirs on Day 2, then Jaedong will, without question, face Fantasy. They're not putting Bisu out on a map that has a 60% TvZ, but a 60% ZvP. There is one scenario that would prompt them to use Bisu: if OZ took Day 1. You are not going to potentially lose the Proleague Grand Finals in two Ace matches where the Last Dragon Bisu never played in either Ace match. Would you take that chance? But it's TaekDusa
Why call it TaekDusa(which is a stupid nickname in the first place), anyway? Bisu is 31-8 there, Flash is 19-4. And considering PvT imbalance, it should have a nickname after Flash, not Bisu. -_-
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I can't imagine Lomo winning either of his games.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 04 2009 05:59 koreasilver wrote:
I can't imagine Lomo winning either of his games.
He won't. The only matchup he's actually good at is TvZ. Sub 50% for both other MUs, which is what he's playing against two players whose best MUs are probably vs T.
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On August 04 2009 05:42 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 05:13 SkytoM wrote:On August 04 2009 05:08 NicolBolas wrote:
Man, these lineups are so crazy awesome. Day 2 could have been better, but Day 1 is the day. OZ wins this day or they go home.
SKT1 FailZergs vs. ggaemo and killer. Admittedly not the most accomplished of players, but they still practice with Jaedong. They've seen more great ZvZ play than anyone else. At least one of these guys must win for OZ to have a chance.
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Day 1 isn't important; it's insurance. If one of the FailZergs happen to take a game, but Jaedong also wins, then it all comes down to BackHo.
After his awesomely crappy performances a few days ago, I have zero faith in Lomo. I'm surprised that OZ didn't put in PerfectMan with some kind of prepared snipe build.
Bisu is not going to lose to Hiya.
That leaves BackHo vs. Best. Best is slumping, while BackHo is doing reasonably well. In the past, BackHo has been able to snatch games from Stork (mostly in GOM), but he isn't known for PvP. Best has the better PvP record, but he's sucking bad recently. Maybe a month spent practicing will reinvigorate his PvP.
The Ace match on Day 1 will require Fantasy; Neo Harmony is death for any Protoss. One of these players will be looking for revenge.
The Super Ace has a problem though: Destination. I suppose OZ thumbs-down'd Shades of Twilight due to the horrible PvZ record. But Fantasy is going to be out on Destination. Jaedong has a winning record there, and his most recent games on the map show strength. It's going to be interesting. Of course, they could send out Bisu, just to get the fated Jaedong vs. Bisu match underway. But I'm guessing they'll play the odds and go for Fantasy (though the outcome of Day 1 might decide that. If Jaedong face-stomps Fantasy, especially if he does it twice, they'll call for Bisu).
A lot of things have to work out right for OZ to win. Jaedong will have to go God-mode, but also their other Zergs need to step up against the FailZergs. And BackHo needs to steal one.
Day 2 is less hopeful, but there's still a chance.
People want to believe that PerfectMan is the ultimate sniper. But I'm pretty sure Bisu was watching that game. And I'm pretty sure Bisu was not impressed. Bisu is Bisu; PerfectMan will not snipe him.
Jaedong should roll up Hyuk; they've played before (unlike Orion).
BackHo vs. Canata. If OZ loses Day 1, BackHo must win this one. Canata has strength; BackHo needs to be at his absolute best here. Fortunately, it's Destination; he's got the map on his side.
Killer needs to win. Again.
I have no expectations of Hiya or Lomo doing anything but getting crushed. Yes, Best is slumping, but Lomo sucks; at least Best at one time was good.
If Jaedong, BackHo, and Killer take theirs on Day 2, then Jaedong will, without question, face Fantasy. They're not putting Bisu out on a map that has a 60% TvZ, but a 60% ZvP. There is one scenario that would prompt them to use Bisu: if OZ took Day 1. You are not going to potentially lose the Proleague Grand Finals in two Ace matches where the Last Dragon Bisu never played in either Ace match. Would you take that chance? But it's TaekDusa Why call it TaekDusa(which is a stupid nickname in the first place), anyway? Bisu is 31-8 there, Flash is 19-4. And considering PvT imbalance, it should have a nickname after Flash, not Bisu. -_-
HoDusa!
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On August 04 2009 05:42 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 05:13 SkytoM wrote:On August 04 2009 05:08 NicolBolas wrote:
Man, these lineups are so crazy awesome. Day 2 could have been better, but Day 1 is the day. OZ wins this day or they go home.
SKT1 FailZergs vs. ggaemo and killer. Admittedly not the most accomplished of players, but they still practice with Jaedong. They've seen more great ZvZ play than anyone else. At least one of these guys must win for OZ to have a chance.
Jaedong vs. Fantasy on Day 1 isn't important; it's insurance. If one of the FailZergs happen to take a game, but Jaedong also wins, then it all comes down to BackHo.
After his awesomely crappy performances a few days ago, I have zero faith in Lomo. I'm surprised that OZ didn't put in PerfectMan with some kind of prepared snipe build.
Bisu is not going to lose to Hiya.
That leaves BackHo vs. Best. Best is slumping, while BackHo is doing reasonably well. In the past, BackHo has been able to snatch games from Stork (mostly in GOM), but he isn't known for PvP. Best has the better PvP record, but he's sucking bad recently. Maybe a month spent practicing will reinvigorate his PvP.
The Ace match on Day 1 will require Fantasy; Neo Harmony is death for any Protoss. One of these players will be looking for revenge.
The Super Ace has a problem though: Destination. I suppose OZ thumbs-down'd Shades of Twilight due to the horrible PvZ record. But Fantasy is going to be out on Destination. Jaedong has a winning record there, and his most recent games on the map show strength. It's going to be interesting. Of course, they could send out Bisu, just to get the fated Jaedong vs. Bisu match underway. But I'm guessing they'll play the odds and go for Fantasy (though the outcome of Day 1 might decide that. If Jaedong face-stomps Fantasy, especially if he does it twice, they'll call for Bisu).
A lot of things have to work out right for OZ to win. Jaedong will have to go God-mode, but also their other Zergs need to step up against the FailZergs. And BackHo needs to steal one.
Day 2 is less hopeful, but there's still a chance.
People want to believe that PerfectMan is the ultimate sniper. But I'm pretty sure Bisu was watching that game. And I'm pretty sure Bisu was not impressed. Bisu is Bisu; PerfectMan will not snipe him.
Jaedong should roll up Hyuk; they've played before (unlike Orion).
BackHo vs. Canata. If OZ loses Day 1, BackHo must win this one. Canata has strength; BackHo needs to be at his absolute best here. Fortunately, it's Destination; he's got the map on his side.
Killer needs to win. Again.
I have no expectations of Hiya or Lomo doing anything but getting crushed. Yes, Best is slumping, but Lomo sucks; at least Best at one time was good.
If Jaedong, BackHo, and Killer take theirs on Day 2, then Jaedong will, without question, face Fantasy. They're not putting Bisu out on a map that has a 60% TvZ, but a 60% ZvP. There is one scenario that would prompt them to use Bisu: if OZ took Day 1. You are not going to potentially lose the Proleague Grand Finals in two Ace matches where the Last Dragon Bisu never played in either Ace match. Would you take that chance? But it's TaekDusa Why call it TaekDusa(which is a stupid nickname in the first place), anyway? Bisu is 31-8 there, Flash is 19-4. And considering PvT imbalance, it should have a nickname after Flash, not Bisu. -_-
because 31-8 ist motherfucking impressive thats why. Also Flash not playing.
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imho its pretty obvious: neo harmony is horrible for toss, so their the ace without a doubt will be fantasy. thats another reason why they sent out fantasy early on day 1, so he got time to calm down after his loss before he gets a second attempt in the ace. if he wins his first game there will probably be no need for ace anyway.
on day 2 the ace map is taekdusa which is bisus map. so he will be the pretty obvious ace. that again matches well with him being sent out early for his regular game to leave some time before the ace.
the super ace, if needed, is very tricky: if skt1 lost on day 1 it was probably because fantasy got 0-2´d by jd, so they might rather send bisu. if skt1 lost on day 2 that almost inevitably means bisu lost the preceding ace match. (almost inevitably because there is a very very slim, theoretical chance oz might take day2 without ace...lol)
in this case they send out fantasy who should be doing fine in tvz on desti.
one problem i see though is bisus practice time: he gotta practice pvt for iris tomorrow and against hiya, pvp against perfectman and pvz against jd. fantasy plays jd in one of the regular matches anyway and will face him against the following week. as his tvt is great he can devote like 85% of his practice time to tvz, so maybe he is the better pick for super ace. any way i can very well imagine him taking at least 1 game from jd on day 1.
and i have to agree with some of the posters above me: dont underestimate the skt1 zergs. zvz is a coinflip naturally unless it involves either jaedong, effort or massive skill differences. none of these conditions is given here, so the oz zergs taking both zvzs seems rather unlikely to me.
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This has to be 2-0 for SKT. I don't think OZ can get to superace.
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On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:
Uh oh. kona jinxed it. I'm suddenly very, very afraid. Even Lomo and ggaemo look scary now.
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Bisu lost to Jaedong last December, which was on Destination, the map that the super-ace match will be played on. Maybe that would change the coaches minds about sending Bisu in?
And by the way, if Kingdom quit as a coach to become an OGN commentator, is ilOveOov the new head coach?
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Even if OZ gets to superace Bisu or Fantasy are fully capable of taking down JD. It won't happen though. SKT 2-0 and fully capable of winning superace even if they drop day 1.
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PerfectMan will defeat bisu. no doubt about it!_! :D:D
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 04 2009 08:11 SynC[gm] wrote:
Bisu lost to Jaedong last December, which was on Destination, the map that the super-ace match will be played on. Maybe that would change the coaches minds about sending Bisu in?
And by the way, if Kingdom quit as a coach to become an OGN commentator, is ilOveOov the new head coach?
No, because Kingdom was never the head coach.
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Im suprised that Midas isn't playing. Instead they are deciding to put Hyuk? True, Midas hasn't been playing well recently in fact hes not even playing at all, but I think hes a better choice than Hyuk. Anyways I think in terms of lineup SKT has the advantage. But upsets do happen alot so I can definitely see Oz winning the proleague like they did in 2007;
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Midas has fallen to more or less a B-Teamer.
Hyuk is no doubt still the better choice.
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On August 04 2009 09:11 ImNotBisu wrote:
Midas has fallen to more or less a B-Teamer.
Hyuk is no doubt still the better choice.
He is actually a B teamer. He was in the Minor league D:
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I seriously cant see Oz winning this. It nearly looks too easy for SKT.
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Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge >PerfectMan
Hyuk < Outsider > Jaedong
would be so sweet
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 04 2009 10:11 mucker wrote:
Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge >PerfectMan
Hyuk < Outsider > Jaedong
would be so sweet
Fanboys would cry in shame. I myself would be as well if I saw Bisu or Jaedong lose to Perfectman or Hyuk. Especially if Jaedong loses to Hyuk.
Haha, JD got Hyuked.
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A new FBH will be born if Perfectman beat Bisu.
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SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung OZ
Day 1
fantasy < Outsider > Jaedong
JD is just better, esp. on outsider
Canata < Shades of Twilight > Lomo
Both have shitty TvTs, but Lomos harass style will beat Canatas boring push style
Hyuk < Neo Medusa > ggaemo
Hyuk is terrible, ggaemo is 1-1 in televised matches, both against great, who is 10x better than hyuk
BeSt < Colosseum II > BackHo
best used to have amazing pvp, now he sucks and backho is still decent
Thezerg < God's Garden > Killer
Killer sucks hard, if it gets this far. yeah, he even sucks worse than thezerg. just check his minor league zvz record
Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > HiyA
this is ez
fantasy< Neo Harmony >Jaedong
Again, if it gets this far jaedong is still a better player, but fantasy might win because hes on a terran map
Day 2
Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > PerfectMan
Oz coach knows that oz will fail hard on day 2, he will tell perfectman to save the prepared build for the super-ace
Hyuk < Outsider > Jaedong
lol
Canata < Destination > BackHo
toss-up, backho's good reaver/ht micro will probably own canata who always sucks against harass
Thezerg < God's Garden > Killer
same as day 1
fantasy < Neo Harmony > HiyA
hiya will try to turtle as usual and lose
BeSt < Shades of Twilight > Lomo
lomo sucks at TvP, best's Pvt is still decent
< Neo Medusa >
absolutely no way will this go to ace match
Awesome Snipe > Bisu
I predict 5 threads about perfectman being the next bonjwa being created
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[B]On August 04 2009 12:12 sGa.Mac wrote: predictions
Yea that's ridiculous, I don't see bisu beating perfectman.
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Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
(P)Bisu < Neo Harmony > (Z)Jaedong
Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt <[/b] Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (P)Perfectman
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On August 04 2009 04:59 IntoTheWow wrote:LOL @ people who think Lomo stands a chance to win any game. hahahaha
Watch him win both.
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Game 1 is already so epic.
GOGOGOGO HYUK. take a game off jaedong. SHOW HIM YOU AND ORION MEAN BZNZ
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holy balls i just realized thezerg's ZvZ is barely over 30%. i know killer is new but he has to have a good shot in winning at least one of those games
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On August 04 2009 12:37 skronch wrote:
holy balls i just realized thezerg's ZvZ is barely over 30%. i know killer is new but he has to have a good shot in winning at least one of those games
killer is even worse
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/558_Killer/games/vs/Z
about a 30% win rate on the B-team minor leagues
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dude. all the zergs in hwaseung should be PRO. i mean. come on. they have fucking JD on their team.
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On August 04 2009 12:27 alt.tday wrote:
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(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (P)Perfectman
Fantasy? Losing a TvP? To someone other than Bisu? lol
Btw i got my shirt delivered just in time for the Grand Final <3
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do they send the lineups secretly together or does one team send it out first and the other can counter?
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On August 03 2009 17:46 konadora wrote:OZ TOO EZ oh and by the way Hyuk: I have gained a lot of confidence as I prepared for the Grand Finals. If I am given the Chance to play, I feel that I will definitely be able to win. I want to face against Jaedong out of all the Hwaseung players. I will prepare as I await my match against Jaedong.Looks like Hyuk got his wish
We're doomed :|
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+ Show Spoiler +SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung OZDay 1 (T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z) Jaedong(T) Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo (Z) Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo (P) BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo (Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z) Killer(P) Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA < Neo Harmony > Day 2 (P) Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan (Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z) Jaedong(T)Canata < Destination > (P) BackHo(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z) Killer(T) fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA (P) BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo (T)fantasy< Neo Medusa > (Z) JaedongSUPER ACE: Bisu > Jaedong
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All the people saying just because Hwaseung Zergs practice with jaedong makes them pro are insane. It means they're pro at getting raped. Doesn't mean that they ever beat jaedong, and even if he gives them tips, its not like they're skill level comes anywhere close to his.
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On August 04 2009 12:44 29 fps wrote:
do they send the lineups secretly together or does one team send it out first and the other can counter?
they do it at the same time secretly
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Day 1
(T) fantasy < Outsider > (Z)JaedongIf Collo is BeST's map and Medusa is Bisu's map, Outsider is Fantasy's map. He is 8-1 on it, albeit there were no TvZ's Fantasy looks damn solid on it. However, ZvT IS Jaedong's matchup and HIS only. No doubt Fantasy is practicing his balls off to take this game, but the way Jaedong is playing now, i doubt that Fantasy will take this from him. Barring some stupid cheese from Jaedong (5 pool sup?) i dont see Jaedong losing this. (T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T) LomoThe prodigal son has returned. After making a seriously deep trip into both the MSL AND OSL, Canata is finally able to prepare for PL's greatest stage...against Lomo. Here's the thing. Canata is fresh off of practicing TvT against Fantasy. OH? And guess who's he's practicing TvT against. The greatest terran players in starcraft history.. and besides. Lomo sucks. (Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z) ggaemoHyuk sucks. He sucks so bad it makes me cringe whenever i see him in the booth. However, WHO THE FUCK IS GGAEMO? Hyuk has been thrust into high pressure situations before, he'll be SLIGHTLY better prepared then..uhmm..ggaemo.. (P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P) BackHoGuess who's 12-1 on Colosseum~ Yeah. PvP + Colo + macro + Backho = SKT1 wins set 4. (Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z) Killer-sigh- look @ ggaemo vs Hyuk
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T) HiyARemember when these two last met? Yeah. it was rape. Expect rape again ~ Day 2 (P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P) PerfectManIs this a serious question? Barring some sick sick snipe build, i doubt Bisu will drop this. (Z) Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedonghuh..how great would it be if Hyuk sniped Jaedong. The world would implode. but it wont happen so onto game 3.
(T)Canata < Destination > (P) BackHoRemember the last time these two met? 2 words. Fail Face.
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z) KillerThis again? Look @ Hyuk and Thezerg in day1
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T) HiyAS class vs could have been S class. Fantasy just stomped Canata who'm i believe could destroy Hiya.
(P)BeSt </b] Shades of Twilight > (T) LomoLomo sucks at everything BUT TvZ. And he sucks at that too. [b]
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I don't care if OZ looses every match as long as Perfectman snipes Bisu. I will get on my knees and cry.
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looking pretty good for SKT.
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The ZvZ's feature horrible players and it's such a volatile match up so they're near impossible to pick. On the balance of games though, I'd say SKT1 have the advantage and could well take it 2-0 and save themselves from the super ace.
Perfectman is not going to snipe Bisu... the only way Bisu loses the match is if he tries some dumb fuck all-in like 4 gate goon or DT rush and perfect man plays straight up and slightly defensive.
That said if it goes to Super Ace I'd have to pick Oz... Jaedong is just a fucking monster in that type of pressure situation.
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I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
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On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D
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On August 04 2009 14:14 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D
Says the 2-shot zergling to the 3-shot drone.
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What's up with Oz putting crappy players against SKT zergs? We all know Oz players except Jaedong don't have a chance against the better SKT players so shouldn't they try to snipe off 2 zergs + one from jaedong into ace? The chances of victory look kinda slim for Oz :l
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This has the potential to be really painful for one side...
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This has a potential to be a complete roflstomping of Oz. On the other hand, Jaedong (with some random help of chumps on his team like vs CJ) can make the final very painful to watch for SKT fans.
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Imo this all depends on whether backho plays like backho or failho.
I really want to see a Jaedong Bisu ace match though.
SKT1 !!
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-sigh- look @ ggaemo vs Hyuk
Don't lump Killer and ggaemo together. Killer has proven himself; he took a game off of Movie. His play in the Minor League has been pretty good, particularly his ZvZ. Whereas Thezerg's ZvZ is somewhere between atrocious and non-existent.
Do not be suprised if Killer 2-0's Thezerg.
Also, don't count ggaemo out either. He took a game from Great in the Winner's League, and his ZvZ is pretty good. He's lost to Hyuk, but that was two years ago; they say revenge rides a slow horse 
What's up with Oz putting crappy players against SKT zergs?
You say that as though they looked at SK's lineups and picked people to go against them. That's not how it works. Each side picks their players for each map secretly.
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Is it true that for playoff every team needs to send 2 players of each race? cuz it seems like so far that has been the case (i might be wrong)
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On August 04 2009 14:14 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D
Not with me around =D
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The way I see it, all Oz need to do is take day one and then JD in the superace is an instant favorite. Both Fantasy and Bisu are a lock to win versus anyone not called Jaedong, so JD taking one of them out is all but a must if Oz need to win the day. Two wins out of the next five, and JD in an ace match means almost a lock for super-ace. Then they'll do like last round - throw away the four games so the fifth player who happens to be the one playing in the super-ace won't have a warm-up match.
Same game-plan that worked so well against Samsung. Have to hand it to coach Cho for that.
*whew* had to get that off my chest. I actually registered for the site after ages (and ages) of lurking to write it down.
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Hmm, I feel that there's going to be some super epic thread for these games with this long of a delay.
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Boxer vs. Jaedong in the super ace, I'm callin' it.
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On August 05 2009 07:14 Kazius wrote:
The way I see it, all Oz need to do is take day one and then JD in the superace is an instant favorite. Both Fantasy and Bisu are a lock to win versus anyone not called Jaedong, so JD taking one of them out is all but a must if Oz need to win the day. Two wins out of the next five, and JD in an ace match means almost a lock for super-ace. Then they'll do like last round - throw away the four games so the fifth player who happens to be the one playing in the super-ace won't have a warm-up match.
Same game-plan that worked so well against Samsung. Have to hand it to coach Cho for that.
*whew* had to get that off my chest. I actually registered for the site after ages (and ages) of lurking to write it down.
welcome :D
im calling it boxer vs jd too, skt will suprise everyone on super ace
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On August 05 2009 07:18 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Hmm, I feel that there's going to be some super epic thread for these games with this long of a delay.
Considering that that thread will have a Hwaseung House in the OP, there's no way that it can't be super epic.
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SKT for sure, That line-up looks really solid. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for great games more than anything. Good luck to everyone
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Braavos36374 Posts
if boxer comes out for super ace against jaedong it would seriously be the biggest game/event ever
ofc, only if boxer wins
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On August 05 2009 08:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
if boxer comes out for super ace against jaedong it would seriously be the biggest game/event ever
ofc, only if boxer wins
Only if Boxer wins with a bunker rush.
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On August 05 2009 05:25 B1nary wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2009 14:14 OreoBoi wrote:On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D Not with me around =D
I'll take care of that.
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go OZ so CJ can say they lost to the champs :D
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KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNlol.
Considering Hiya is the Oz's Fantasy (2nd best) this is a pretty good lineup he just got dicked playing against the (way better) best pros around... i just hope for some good games....
which is obviously going to happen BACKHO FTW. also hoping for a lomo win, and a PERFECT(MAN) VICTORY.
i could see this being a lot closer than it appeared to me at first glance, which was skt dominating. good luck Oz!!!
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On August 05 2009 08:24 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 05:25 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 14:14 OreoBoi wrote:On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D Not with me around =D I'll take care of that.
wait fer me
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Great lineups right off the bat. This should be good 
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Canata is going to destroy Lomo in TvT, and especially BackHo since that last match between them.
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On August 05 2009 15:19 JFKWT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 08:24 BanZu wrote:On August 05 2009 05:25 B1nary wrote:On August 04 2009 14:14 OreoBoi wrote:On August 04 2009 14:02 gumbum8 wrote:
I can see the future.
SKT fans, pain is coming for you
I'm going to quote this when it happens.
I see that you are a drone right now. Enjoy fantasy's vultures when they come and rape you =D Not with me around =D I'll take care of that. wait fer me
dude we should come in groups
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On August 05 2009 08:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
if boxer comes out for super ace against jaedong it would seriously be the biggest game/event ever
ofc, only if boxer wins
If THAT ever happens (Boxer is up for super ace, and wins it), I'm gonna record myself pissing into a bottle and post it on youtube!
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day2 is oz's, they brought out perfectman =P
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On August 05 2009 15:32 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2009 08:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
if boxer comes out for super ace against jaedong it would seriously be the biggest game/event ever
ofc, only if boxer wins If THAT ever happens (Boxer is up for super ace, and wins it), I'm gonna record myself pissing into a bottle and post it on youtube!
please dont
unless ur insanely hot and female
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im expecting 4-1, 4-1 skt lololol
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Go SKT. I really hope Bisu beats Jaedong in the super ace match or SKT wins before the super ace match. Oz don't deserve this title, SKT have a much better team
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United States1865 Posts
Hey is anyone making the LR thread for Day 1? If so please PM me and I'll send you Hwaseung House.
If not I'm just going to make it myself.
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is the 1st day gonna be on MBC or OGN???
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On August 06 2009 18:11 C[SCL] wrote:
is the 1st day gonna be on MBC or OGN???
both
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On August 06 2009 13:13 Atrioc wrote:
Hey is anyone making the LR thread for Day 1? If so please PM me and I'll send you Hwaseung House.
If not I'm just going to make it myself.
gasp
I can't wait :D:D:D Hwaseung House!\
I feel that SKT has more chance to win, but I'm rooting for oz because I have a hunch, and because I don't like any particular team in general
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United States1865 Posts
ok posting the LR thread in less than an hour once i finish the rest of this photoshop
please nobody snipe it at the last second ok
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On August 06 2009 13:13 Atrioc wrote:
Hey is anyone making the LR thread for Day 1? If so please PM me and I'll send you Hwaseung House.
If not I'm just going to make it myself.
omg yes Hwaseung House!!!
is it possible you could put all of them together in a spoiler so we see the epicness of all of them?
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I would bet even money that no Zerg players from SKT1 take a game and that no Protoss or Terran players from Oz take a game.
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On August 07 2009 06:20 veracity wrote:
I would bet even money that no Zerg players from SKT1 take a game and that no Protoss or Terran players from Oz take a game.
You need to learn to be less dumb with your money.
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On August 07 2009 06:20 veracity wrote:
I would bet even money that no Zerg players from SKT1 take a game and that no Protoss or Terran players from Oz take a game.
lol, i hope you didnt actually do it, though OZ doesnt look like they're going to win anything else anymore XD
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On August 04 2009 04:41 Spanxxx wrote:
cake walk if the ZvZ coin tosses turn out in SKT1's favor.
i agree
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