EPTWhy Hwaseung Oz Will Win the Proleague - Page 6
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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lordmordor
United States209 Posts
i'm not mad though, if he had won we wouldn't get to see Backho play  major props to Oz, protoss 2:0 | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On August 01 2009 15:40 lordmordor wrote: i love how perfectman wasn't mentioned one time in this thread before...and now he's the MVP of the first day. all the Oz players really stepped up to the plate today, other than Lomo at least. Hey, Lomo tried. He just ran into dueling cheese, then his push failed as SkyHigh got his Siege Mode out at literally the last possible second. After that... well, I'm pretty sure Lomo's plan didn't involve an "after that", so it all went downhill from there  Oh and BTW: On July 22 2009 07:52 Loldts wrote: All you Oz fanboys better pray Khan pulls a clutch upset, bc ace match  EffOrt>JaedongIf "Effort > Jaedong" means that Effort should bring lubrication to the next Jaedong vs. Effort game, then yes, you're correct. Otherwise, fail. On August 01 2009 12:16 Roffles wrote: Except it really is Jaedong OZ whereas Entus has more than just Effort. Oh wait, I forgot Backho. Backho is fucking awesome. Yep. BackHo and Jaedong were totally the only contributors to this victory... | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
I was glad to see Oz win tonight, especially Hiya, hopefully he'll get his momentum back before next season starts. | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
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Loldts
United States66 Posts
On August 01 2009 15:40 lordmordor wrote: i love how perfectman wasn't mentioned one time in this thread before...and now he's the MVP of the first day. It wasn't this thread, but the preview one for the match that I and maybe a handful of others said PerfectMan was gonna snipe Iris bc Iris simply doesnt care about a TvP when he has a TvT tomorrow and the final vs Flash in two weeks. It feels good to be right. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 01 2009 16:11 tobi9999 wrote: Wow, i still can't believe people think that CJ is deep, they have EffOrt and EffOrt. I dislike the "depth" prattling too, but there's no way you can say it's false. Their protoss line is mediocre to good, but Skyhigh/Iris and Effort/Kwanro make a damn good four man line up. Movie/Much, while not as strong, is better than any team's protoss line up that doesn't include dragons(Unless you have some misplaced hope in violet+tempest like me). But they did get roflstomped, with half of the previous players losing their games (and only one winning), so hopefully they're a bit more humble. | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On August 01 2009 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote: I dislike the "depth" prattling too, but there's no way you can say it's false. Their protoss line is mediocre to good, but Skyhigh/Iris and Effort/Kwanro make a damn good four man line up. Movie/Much, while not as strong, is better than any team's protoss line up that doesn't include dragons(Unless you have some misplaced hope in violet+tempest like me). But they did get roflstomped, with half of the previous players losing their games (and only one winning), so hopefully they're a bit more humble. No need to get humble, CJ is still the deepest with STX, they just had a bad night, and jaedong losing to effort is no biggie, TvP is always TvP and you know protoss can always make "miracles". and Hiya's TvP is more proven that Movies meh/polarish PvT, he played suprisingly well against Leta though, but that is Leta's shaky MU, However since CJ Lost the first game it means at worst for Leacaf Jaedong decides their fate...which is very bad for CJ. Its not hopeless with Iris, Movie, Effort, and Skyhigh(Cheese only?lol) but certainly one would have to get OZ the edge in the series right now. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
CJ fans really, really need to understand that, while they're ahead in depth, they're not as ahead as they think. It's not coincidence that they keep getting upset losses left, right and center. It's equivalent to Oz fans calling Jaedong bonjwa (which he's not -- yet) -- over presumptuous, and riddled with shaky excuses when he loses spectacularly. It'd just be nice for people to understand it's a closer race than it looks sometimes, and to maybe take a page from the gamers they idolize and practice a little modesty. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On August 01 2009 16:38 TwoToneTerran wrote: I dislike the "depth" prattling too, but there's no way you can say it's false. Their protoss line is mediocre to good, but Skyhigh/Iris and Effort/Kwanro make a damn good four man line up. Movie/Much, while not as strong, is better than any team's protoss line up that doesn't include dragons(Unless you have some misplaced hope in violet+tempest like me). But they did get roflstomped, with half of the previous players losing their games (and only one winning), so hopefully they're a bit more humble. I understand your point but one could argue that Oz is deep too. Zerg Jaedong/Killer Protoss Backho/(Perfectman/Spear/Young) Terran Lomo/HiyA is this really that much worse? Iris, although doing well in GOM, isn't really performing that well otherwise. Much, is slumping/sucks? because he almost never shows up to game and when he does he loses. Skyhigh is inconsistant, so is Kwanro due to using such risky builds. EffOrt is REALLY REALLY good, but he is a guy who has not won a starleague and is on a 8 game losing streak here. Movie, is also really inconsistant beating jaedong and leta one day, losing to Justin the other. CJ's players have big names, but not great skills in my opinion. Oz's players aren't that great either, but they're underestimated so much while CJ's players are overhyped | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On August 01 2009 17:51 tobi9999 wrote: I understand your point but one could argue that Oz is deep too. Zerg Jaedong/Killer Protoss Backho/(Perfectman/Spear/Young) Terran Lomo/HiyA is this really that much worse? Iris, although doing well in GOM, isn't really performing that well otherwise. Much, is slumping/sucks? because he almost never shows up to game and when he does he loses. Skyhigh is inconsistant, so is Kwanro due to using such risky builds. EffOrt is REALLY REALLY good, but he is a guy who has not won a starleague and is on a 8 game losing streak here. Movie, is also really inconsistant beating jaedong and leta one day, losing to Justin the other. CJ's players have big names, but not great skills in my opinion. Oz's players aren't that great either, but they're underestimated so much while CJ's players are overhyped Holy shit, you nailed it right in the fucking dot. You could not have said it any better. 100% agree with this post. Thank you for giving everyone a reality check. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
If you look at both match ups, they of course play the same four-man, Jaedong-backho-hiya-lomo combo, but then filling out their other two spots, they have Perfectman and Killer on one day, and Young and Ggaemo the next day, meaning their fresher players with less experience don't have to dedicate to two days of practice. CJ's been playing the same six or seven guys constantly for three weeks and that's given Oz's backup squad a whole lot of time to train for snipes, and it also plauges CJ's rising star players for their inconsistency(Notably Skyhigh and Movie, but Iris and Much aren't strangers to bad matches). I think Oz planned their games very well, even if they're not the statistical favorites. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 01 2009 19:08 DM20 wrote: whatever zerg practices with jaedong must have beastly ZvZ. Or is a dried up shell of a gamer by now. | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On August 01 2009 19:11 nttea wrote: i agree, he looked like the breakout toss that Oz has been missing ever since anytime left. Perfectman ace!!! googogoogoo ok it was a short game and could be a fluke but he looked so fucking hungry i really hope and believe he's going to be an awesome player in a couple of months! his game against iris has me so excited now, not just he executed so well on a harass heavy build, but that he did it with no fear. if you look back to the WL finals, spear and young played like the rookies they were, making mistakes and playing scared. perfectman was the exact opposite, this was his first chance to perform on a big stage and he fucking rocked it | ||
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