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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 07 2009 15:24 GMT
#61
I've had the same problem. I'm concidering installing Vista on the side to play SC. I also stream my games from time to time but that's basically asking for a PC freeze. Happens 99% of the time when I stream.
this game is a fucking jokie
Postaldude
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden180 Posts
October 08 2009 08:29 GMT
#62
On October 08 2009 00:24 disco wrote:
I've had the same problem. I'm concidering installing Vista on the side to play SC. I also stream my games from time to time but that's basically asking for a PC freeze. Happens 99% of the time when I stream.



dont install vista, install W7 if anything
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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 08 2009 08:43 GMT
#63
On October 08 2009 17:29 Postaldude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 00:24 disco wrote:
I've had the same problem. I'm concidering installing Vista on the side to play SC. I also stream my games from time to time but that's basically asking for a PC freeze. Happens 99% of the time when I stream.



dont install vista, install W7 if anything


Well, that's what I've got and its causing me problems. Although yesterday I updated my graphics drivers and I managed to stream without issues.
this game is a fucking jokie
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 08 2009 08:59 GMT
#64
All I need to to is quit Winamp or whatever might be using DirectSound. I also open the screen settings window, but that's only to partially fix the menus and has nothing to do with ingame graphics. For me, it's not necessary to set affinity to one core. No crashes.
Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 04:46:34
October 21 2009 04:46 GMT
#65
Just installed Windows 7 64bit (retail) (upgrade from vista 64) and BW was freezing on me... would happen after about 5 minutes.. after freezing 3 times I searched the net and found the Affinity fix here. Definately works. I still have the discoloration however and wasnt able to solve this with compatibility settings or anything... Still, just glad i can play. SC was the game i was most worried about.

Thanks!
Xaanix
our deeds have traveled far what we have been is what we are - Dream Theater - SFAM
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 21 2009 05:01 GMT
#66
On October 21 2009 13:46 Xaanix wrote:
Just installed Windows 7 64bit (retail) (upgrade from vista 64) and BW was freezing on me... would happen after about 5 minutes.. after freezing 3 times I searched the net and found the Affinity fix here. Definately works. I still have the discoloration however and wasnt able to solve this with compatibility settings or anything... Still, just glad i can play. SC was the game i was most worried about.

Thanks!
Xaanix


the discoloration is fixed by killing the explorer process before you run SC, theres a thread somewhere here on teamliquid on that!
Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
October 21 2009 20:33 GMT
#67
Hrm, doesnt that process auto restart? And isnt it a bit difficult to run starcraft when the explorer process is dead? (doesnt this close all filesystem windows?)
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Xaanix
Profile Joined October 2009
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-22 00:41:01
October 22 2009 00:40 GMT
#68
Ok, I found the batch script and tested it out, it does indeed fix the color issue! (none of the compatability or color mode settings worked, leaving resolution window open also didnt work, but this did!)

the batch script basically restarts the explorer process as part of the script, the OS does not restart it automatically. Killing explorer doesnt stop any existing programs, and you can still alt-tab between programs you have open, so basically what happens is that you run the script after you've already started broodwar, and then alt tab into broodwar and all the colors are fixed. This obviously works regardless of whether you use the ICCUP launcher or not.

These are the commands for the script, just create a .bat file and paste in the contents below:


@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starcraft for Windows 7
ECHO _____ __ ______
ECHO / ___// /_____ ____________________ _/ __/ /_
ECHO \__ \/ __/ __ `/ ___/ ___/ ___/ __ `/ /_/ __/
ECHO ___/ / /_/ /_/ / / / /__/ / / /_/ / __/ /_
ECHO /____/\__/\__,_/_/ \___/_/ \__,_/_/ \__/
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
PAUSE
Start explorer.exe

our deeds have traveled far what we have been is what we are - Dream Theater - SFAM
2lame
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria3 Posts
October 28 2009 09:57 GMT
#69
OK, think i have a solution for the freezing which is only remotely related to CPU core affinities and such, but i still have to test it out and report back with results..

So, the Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation as they call the audiodg.exe process on Win7, is the thing used by 3rd party audio hardware manufacturers to put in stuff for their audio drivers, and at the same time not break windows apart (that's the reason audiodg is not included in svchost). My system setup is equipped with an embedded Realtek HD audio device, and by consequence, i'm using Realtek drivers which i update on regular basis. I'm using Windows 7 RC1, from around the time it was available to test from MS (several months ago).
While on Win7 at that time, Realtek had come up with a series of drivers, which had one thing in common - on a random period of time, the audiodg.exe process would take up 100% of one of my cores (i use a quadcore, and audiodg is a sigle core application) - this is when using audio - like playing Winamp, waching a movie, playing games. Then it would stop harassing my core after some minutes or longer, or when i stop outputting audio from the soundcard. This did not bother me much as it irritated me, cause like i said i use a quad core and this means only 25% of my cpu were taken. At that time i had stopped playing SC due to problems with color inversion, to which i find solution here at TeamLiquid a few days ago :D Thanks a bunch for that!!!

Meanwhile, Realtek had released a driver, which removed this bug with audiodg. Recently however, new drivers appeared and as strict about drivers as i am, i immediately decided to go for it and apply them - new drivers could only make things better, right?
Guess what happened - the audiodg bug appeared again. This time however i had already started playing SC after fixing discoloration problems, and my machine hung during several games, which had me searching all over the net for a fix (including the affinity fix in this thread).

This morning it hit me - could it be possible for audiodg to bug itself out right during the middle of a game and on top of that, on the same Core, on which my SC was running, resulting in taking up all CPU resource out of the game? Could that be leading to some confusion in windows core management and a total system hang? It it possible, but not yet proven. I am going to add here, that i have the SC music turned on during gameplay, and all sounds on, included. My roommate, with whom i play, did not have any hangs whatsoever until now, and guess, he uses an older Realtek driver on Win7, which i presume had this audiodg problem removed...

So, will make a few tests and maybe a driver rollback, and report back to you on results. Apologies for the long post if someone feels irritated by it, i am just trying to give a hand to all faithful SC players on the new Win

p.s.: you could try and help me out with testing, by monitoring your audiodg process while playin winamp for instance, or by playing SC with sound off. For those who use Realtek HD Audio soundcard - the triver i'm currently with: Vista_Win7_R235, and the driver of my roommate: Vista_Win7_R234 - feel free to test and report back here or on PM
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 10:16:23
October 28 2009 10:08 GMT
#70
On October 28 2009 18:57 2lame wrote:
OK, think i have a solution for the freezing which is only remotely related to CPU core affinities and such, but i still have to test it out and report back with results..

So, the Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation as they call the audiodg.exe process on Win7, is the thing used by 3rd party audio hardware manufacturers to put in stuff for their audio drivers, and at the same time not break windows apart (that's the reason audiodg is not included in svchost). My system setup is equipped with an embedded Realtek HD audio device, and by consequence, i'm using Realtek drivers which i update on regular basis. I'm using Windows 7 RC1, from around the time it was available to test from MS (several months ago).
While on Win7 at that time, Realtek had come up with a series of drivers, which had one thing in common - on a random period of time, the audiodg.exe process would take up 100% of one of my cores (i use a quadcore, and audiodg is a sigle core application) - this is when using audio - like playing Winamp, waching a movie, playing games. Then it would stop harassing my core after some minutes or longer, or when i stop outputting audio from the soundcard. This did not bother me much as it irritated me, cause like i said i use a quad core and this means only 25% of my cpu were taken. At that time i had stopped playing SC due to problems with color inversion, to which i find solution here at TeamLiquid a few days ago :D Thanks a bunch for that!!!

Meanwhile, Realtek had released a driver, which removed this bug with audiodg. Recently however, new drivers appeared and as strict about drivers as i am, i immediately decided to go for it and apply them - new drivers could only make things better, right?
Guess what happened - the audiodg bug appeared again. This time however i had already started playing SC after fixing discoloration problems, and my machine hung during several games, which had me searching all over the net for a fix (including the affinity fix in this thread).

This morning it hit me - could it be possible for audiodg to bug itself out right during the middle of a game and on top of that, on the same Core, on which my SC was running, resulting in taking up all CPU resource out of the game? Could that be leading to some confusion in windows core management and a total system hang? It it possible, but not yet proven. I am going to add here, that i have the SC music turned on during gameplay, and all sounds on, included. My roommate, with whom i play, did not have any hangs whatsoever until now, and guess, he uses an older Realtek driver on Win7, which i presume had this audiodg problem removed...

So, will make a few tests and maybe a driver rollback, and report back to you on results. Apologies for the long post if someone feels irritated by it, i am just trying to give a hand to all faithful SC players on the new Win

p.s.: you could try and help me out with testing, by monitoring your audiodg process while playin winamp for instance, or by playing SC with sound off. For those who use Realtek HD Audio soundcard - the triver i'm currently with: Vista_Win7_R235, and the driver of my roommate: Vista_Win7_R234 - feel free to test and report back here or on PM


I'm currently experiencing this issue too on my computer, only it happens in basically all games. Turning off system sounds seemed to significantly reduce the amount of freezes, but I'm still waiting for a 100% fix. Now for some reason I can't even use the newest Realtek drivers because I get really bad sound (it's fuzzy and there's lots of static and crackles). The older drivers (I'm using 1.97) have good sound but I get the freezes.

This is strange because my other computer (desktop) has a realtek card as well and can use the latest drivers with no problems. This computer never gets the freezes nor the sound problems. However under the driver's manufacturer it says "Microsoft" instead of "Realtek". That is the only difference that I'm aware of, even though both computers have Realtek sound cards.

edit: the driver version on my desktop (the fully working computer) is 6.1.7600.16385 in device manager. I believe this is R2.34 but I'm not sure.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
2lame
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria3 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 10:48:31
October 28 2009 10:26 GMT
#71
edit: the driver version on my desktop (the fully working computer) is 6.1.7600.16385 in device manager. I believe this is R2.34 but I'm not sure.


I actually believe that this is your Windows 7 version right there, not the Realtek driver (in this case Win7 RTM final version). You can check the Realtek version if you go to the Realtek HD Audio Manager, and click on the "i" information button on the right hand corner. My driver version is 6.0.1.5953 (R2.35 installer). My roommates' is: 6.0.1.5943 (R2.34 installer)

That about the Manufacturer is interesting, I have Realtek as such, not MS, my roomate also has Realtek on his device manager audio manufacturer..
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
October 28 2009 10:37 GMT
#72
Windows 7 crashing broodwar, not my idea.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 10:49:47
October 28 2009 10:45 GMT
#73
Actually I can't find the Realtek HD Audio Manager on my desktop. It's not in the systray and the search bar gives nothing. Very strange, because I know that the card is a Realtek card and it had the icon when I was using XP.

I installed this driver using win7's automatic installation. When I try the same thing on the laptop, I get the "realtek" version and the sound is messed up. Very confusing

The driver I am using on my laptop is 6.0.1.5653, as said before it's 1.97
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
DeSu
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Australia91 Posts
October 28 2009 10:53 GMT
#74
i friend of mine said he had the same problem, except it was on an old win 95 at his grandparent's house.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 28 2009 12:20 GMT
#75
for me it's buggy on Vista too...
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
October 28 2009 12:46 GMT
#76
On October 22 2009 09:40 Xaanix wrote:
Ok, I found the batch script and tested it out, it does indeed fix the color issue! (none of the compatability or color mode settings worked, leaving resolution window open also didnt work, but this did!)

the batch script basically restarts the explorer process as part of the script, the OS does not restart it automatically. Killing explorer doesnt stop any existing programs, and you can still alt-tab between programs you have open, so basically what happens is that you run the script after you've already started broodwar, and then alt tab into broodwar and all the colors are fixed. This obviously works regardless of whether you use the ICCUP launcher or not.

These are the commands for the script, just create a .bat file and paste in the contents below:


@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starcraft for Windows 7
ECHO _____ __ ______
ECHO / ___// /_____ ____________________ _/ __/ /_
ECHO \__ \/ __/ __ `/ ___/ ___/ ___/ __ `/ /_/ __/
ECHO ___/ / /_/ /_/ / / / /__/ / / /_/ / __/ /_
ECHO /____/\__/\__,_/_/ \___/_/ \__,_/_/ \__/
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
PAUSE
Start explorer.exe



for nice formatting so your ascii art wont break ;D

@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starcraft for Windows 7
ECHO _____ __ ______
ECHO / ___// /_____ ____________________ _/ __/ /_
ECHO \__ \/ __/ __ `/ ___/ ___/ ___/ __ `/ /_/ __/
ECHO ___/ / /_/ /_/ / / / /__/ / / /_/ / __/ /_
ECHO /____/\__/\__,_/_/ \___/_/ \__,_/_/ \__/
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
PAUSE
Start explorer.exe

small dicks have great firepower
2lame
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria3 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 13:16:18
October 28 2009 13:13 GMT
#77
Ok... so far i've rolled back on the old Realtek driver, and made a few SC games - so far, so good - no hangs.. Still needs to be properly tested for a few days (let's not forget this is a randomly happening process)

On October 28 2009 21:20 Geo.Rion wrote:
for me it's buggy on Vista too...

I think Windows Vista uses the same audiodg process, carrying the same issue with it. As far as win 95 goes... well that's some old school sh*t :D

WhuazGoodJaggah, i am using a similar .bat file, with the difference that it launches the game directly and after exit restores explorer.exe like this (D:\Gamez\Starcraft points to my install dir):

taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
D:
cd D:\Gamez\Starcraft
starcraft.exe
start explorer.exe

After all command prompt sequentially executes all commands and waits for SC to exit before going to the next line. No need to pause console and then Alt-tab and such

Nice ASCII art :D love it!
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 13:20:57
October 28 2009 13:18 GMT
#78
cmd.exe /C start /affinity 1 C:\"Program Files\ICCup\Launcher"\"Launcher.exe"
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2
cd C:\Program Files\StarCraft\
rem cmd.exe /C start /affinity 1 C:\Program Files\StarCraft\StarCraft.exe
rem Wait for the game to quit, press Enter to continue
pause
start explorer.exe
exit

Colors + crashing bugs fix for Windows 7 (you have to change bold'ed places and save this to .exe file)
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
October 28 2009 13:29 GMT
#79
On October 28 2009 22:18 ProoM wrote:
cmd.exe /C start /affinity 1 C:\"Program Files\ICCup\Launcher"\"Launcher.exe"
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2
cd C:\Program Files\StarCraft\
rem cmd.exe /C start /affinity 1 C:\Program Files\StarCraft\StarCraft.exe
rem Wait for the game to quit, press Enter to continue
pause
start explorer.exe
exit

Colors + crashing bugs fix for Windows 7 (you have to change bold'ed places and save this to .exe file)

k so whenever u wanna play sc, you would click on this file instead?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5498 Posts
October 28 2009 14:36 GMT
#80
On October 28 2009 21:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 09:40 Xaanix wrote:
Ok, I found the batch script and tested it out, it does indeed fix the color issue! (none of the compatability or color mode settings worked, leaving resolution window open also didnt work, but this did!)

the batch script basically restarts the explorer process as part of the script, the OS does not restart it automatically. Killing explorer doesnt stop any existing programs, and you can still alt-tab between programs you have open, so basically what happens is that you run the script after you've already started broodwar, and then alt tab into broodwar and all the colors are fixed. This obviously works regardless of whether you use the ICCUP launcher or not.

These are the commands for the script, just create a .bat file and paste in the contents below:


@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starcraft for Windows 7
ECHO _____ __ ______
ECHO / ___// /_____ ____________________ _/ __/ /_
ECHO \__ \/ __/ __ `/ ___/ ___/ ___/ __ `/ /_/ __/
ECHO ___/ / /_/ /_/ / / / /__/ / / /_/ / __/ /_
ECHO /____/\__/\__,_/_/ \___/_/ \__,_/_/ \__/
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
PAUSE
Start explorer.exe



for nice formatting so your ascii art wont break ;D

@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starcraft for Windows 7
ECHO _____ __ ______
ECHO / ___// /_____ ____________________ _/ __/ /_
ECHO \__ \/ __/ __ `/ ___/ ___/ ___/ __ `/ /_/ __/
ECHO ___/ / /_/ /_/ / / / /__/ / / /_/ / __/ /_
ECHO /____/\__/\__,_/_/ \___/_/ \__,_/_/ \__/
taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
PAUSE
Start explorer.exe


Whao I've never seen a code command used on TL before
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