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hazed
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 07 2009 17:07 GMT
#201
On April 08 2009 02:03 nttea wrote:
maan i really wanted to pick hyvaa but he was SOOO expensive


me too =(
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-07 17:44:59
April 07 2009 17:41 GMT
#202
On April 08 2009 01:09 hazed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2009 00:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 07 2009 23:46 hazed wrote:
On April 07 2009 22:07 Abydos1 wrote:
On April 07 2009 22:04 lazz wrote:
imo the best player in the world should be 13 or 14 points, not 10...


All the players costs are based on their previous performances, if you think he's worth it at 10 then go ahead and pick him ;P

Wouldnt it make sense for him to be 11 or 12 with flash and bisu in 11 or 10 considering Jaedong has a higher overall win % and is the OSL champion AND all-killed almost 2 teams in a row in the semifinals and finals of winners league?

First, I don't recall Jaedong all-killing anyone in the finals of WL, but I do remember (T)someone all killing Lecaf... strange how history is remembered by fans amirite?

We base our ratings off regular season Proleague results, as this next season will not have playoffs. Jaedong was not as good as Bisu or Flash in the WL regular season, as determined by a weighted formula based on the last two seasons. This is the most objective way to do player prices. What you're saying is we should just assign values based on what "makes sense" to us? This is completely subjective and arbitrary determination.

Jaedong might be the best player right now taking into account OSL, but he wasn't better than Bisu or Flash in PL last season. Adjusting the rankings to make him 12 to satisfy some fans who think he should cost more is not a fair thing to do.


You made it pretty clear you were offended by something you didnt even read. Nice...
BTW, there is no reason to be so harsh. You just dismissed me as a fanboy without knowing a damn thing. Made me lol though...

I wasn't offended - yes I missed the "almost" in your post, so my fault there and I am sorry for the snarky response. The comment about history being remembered by fans was just as much to highlight my own CJ fanboyness - I don't even remember Jaedong's great performances in the first three games, I only remember the four games after.

My next two paragraphs explain quite adequately why we use previous WL/PL results as the base for determining player prices, it'd be unfair to include other leagues as our scoring isn't including other leagues results, only PL. I don't think my words were very harsh, but some people are sensitive I guess.

Obviously, when you said "wouldn't it make more sense..." we assumed you understood that we were basing it off previous PL results and that you were advocating a different system that included more subjective evaluation. If we did include OSL and other results into pricing (your incorrect assumption), your analysis about cost would be correct. My dismissing you as a fanboy would also be correct if my assumption were true. Thus I was only "dismissing you as a fanboy" on an incorrect assumption, just like you thought our system "didn't make sense" based on an incorrect assumption (that we included all other results). We both "didn't know a damn thing".

Regardless, when I said "to satisfy some fans who think he should cost more" it was directed more at the guy who said "the best player in the world should be 13 or 14 points not 10", clearly a Jaedong fan who felt the prices were an inaccurate reflection of the current BW hierarchy.
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Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
April 07 2009 18:07 GMT
#203
if i send in a new team what happens?
how can i access my team?
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
April 07 2009 18:16 GMT
#204
On April 08 2009 03:07 Heimatloser wrote:
if i send in a new team what happens?
how can i access my team?


Your team is displayed at http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Team.php

If you enter a new team your old team gets replaced with the new one.
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
HanN00b
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-07 18:20:31
April 07 2009 18:19 GMT
#205
▲Main Team▲
(P)Anytime
(P)BackHo
(T)BoxeR
(Z)Jaedong
(T)fOrGG
(T)fantasy
KTF MagicNs

▼Anti Team▼
(P)GuemChi
(T)PianO
(T)Sea.Really
Team name: Borussia Dortmunds Star(craft) Team (10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P)JangBi (2) (T)Bogus (2) (Z)sAviOr (2) (P)BackHo (0) (Z)YellOw (7) Lecaf Oz
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
April 07 2009 19:19 GMT
#206
How can i navigate to that Team Link?
Here's my current setup;-)

▲Main Team▲ "The Players i except many Games and Wins of (except Jaedong)"
(P)BackHo 2 Pt
(P)JangBi 8 Pt
(Z)Luxury 5 Pt
(Z)by.hero 1 Pt
(T)fantasy 5 Pt
(T)sKyHigh 5 Pt
KTF MagicNs 4 Pt

▼Anti Team▼ "The Players which i think will disappoint me most"
(Z)July 5 Pt
(T)firebathero 4 Pt
(Z)sAviOr 4 Pt
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
April 07 2009 19:34 GMT
#207
well, I`m a JD fan and I`m really glad he's only 10 points. That way I can have him in my team xD. The cheaper, the better!
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
xxsaznpride
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States506 Posts
April 07 2009 20:07 GMT
#208
(Z)Jaedong ...... (T)Really
(T)Iris ............. (P)Anytime
(P)Stork .......... (T)iloveoov
(T)NaDa
(P)Rock
(Z)by.hero
KTF MagicNs

I'm thinking to maybe sub Nada for someone else, and maybe trading Iris for a lower-cost player in SkyHigh to bump my spending a bit.
Thoughts? Criticisms?
“Life is too short to embrace a woman I don’t love. I also think a woman’s life is too short to be embraced by a man she doesn’t love.” | CSGO: Cure Moonlight
ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
April 07 2009 20:12 GMT
#209
This is fantasy proleague so I do expect that players are rated based on teams performance and how often they are used so I agree with the points system. Also is there like a prize for the highest pointer for this event? With that gl to all.
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 04:43:25
April 08 2009 04:41 GMT
#210
Fugly Uglies

Main Team

(T)Hwasin
(Z)Jaedong
(T)NaDa
(P)Stork
(Z)by.hero
(T)sKyHigh

Anti-Team

(Z)Calm
(T)Notice
(T)go.go

KTF MagicNs

I'm suprised (Z)by.hero is so cheap he has a lot of potential and sick apm to boot. (T)Hwasin plz don't slump, (P)Stork get off your lazy ass and start dominating again!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
April 08 2009 04:56 GMT
#211
On April 08 2009 05:07 xxsaznpride wrote:
(Z)Jaedong ...... (T)Really
(T)Iris ............. (P)Anytime
(P)Stork .......... (T)iloveoov
(T)NaDa
(P)Rock
(Z)by.hero
KTF MagicNs

I'm thinking to maybe sub Nada for someone else, and maybe trading Iris for a lower-cost player in SkyHigh to bump my spending a bit.
Thoughts? Criticisms?

Id take skyhigh over iris anytime. Both are equally good and iris is coming back (previous proleague season was so bad for him). On the other hand skyhigh took the place of the main terran in CJs lineup and i think he has more chances of Ace. By.hero sucks at proleague but can win many games if he actually plays. Rock sucks hard times id choose pusan or spear over him all day. Nada is not that good in proleague, and you have 2 players from one of the worst teams: wemade, i think forgg is better there.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 08 2009 05:23 GMT
#212
Team:
Flash 11
GGPlay 2
Hwasin 3
Pusan 2
by.hero 1
hyvaa 8
MBCGame Hero 3

Anti-Team:
BackHo 2
Jaedong 10
Xellos 1
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
April 08 2009 05:54 GMT
#213
are you serious? jaedong in your anti-team? wow..
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
April 08 2009 06:14 GMT
#214
On April 08 2009 14:23 Plexa wrote:
Team:
Flash 11
GGPlay 2
Hwasin 3
Pusan 2
by.hero 1
hyvaa 8
MBCGame Hero 3

Anti-Team:

BackHo 2
Jaedong 10
Xellos 1

Steel balls.
I have a question about the trading system: I understand the player value will be recalculated every week for each player in some way and that trades only work to less valued players. The question is: the calculated player value will be approximated to whole numbers or some decimal place? And what was the main formula to calculate the player value? Thanks.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Oedi
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada265 Posts
April 08 2009 06:25 GMT
#215
Big Gunz

BackHo 0
Flash 0
Horang2 0
Jaedong 0
OversKy 0
by.hero 0
KTF MagicN

anti:
BeSt 0
Kwanro 0
SangHo 0
Oedi
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada265 Posts
April 08 2009 06:26 GMT
#216
On April 08 2009 14:23 Plexa wrote:
Team:
Flash 11
GGPlay 2
Hwasin 3
Pusan 2
by.hero 1
hyvaa 8
MBCGame Hero 3

Anti-Team:
BackHo 2
Jaedong 10
Xellos 1


huge guts. You sir have huge guts.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
April 08 2009 07:00 GMT
#217
betting on MBC is guts also, they are 11th place or 12th last round.
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 09:22:40
April 08 2009 09:11 GMT
#218
Main Team▲
(T)Hwasin
(Z)Jaedong
(P)Kal
(T)NaDa
(P)Reach
(Z)by.hero
STX SouL

Anti Team▼
(P)Anytime
(Z)Shine[kaL]
(T)go.go

Making a 13 Point anti-team was so hard. In the end I just conceded that I would lose some points any way I did it.
bugus
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania133 Posts
April 08 2009 09:47 GMT
#219
(Z)by.hero really turns out to be KTF from last round or (Z)Thezerg from 2 rounds ago. I admit I have him on my team also, but probably this wont make you win at the end..
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
April 08 2009 10:31 GMT
#220
On April 08 2009 15:14 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2009 14:23 Plexa wrote:
Team:
Flash 11
GGPlay 2
Hwasin 3
Pusan 2
by.hero 1
hyvaa 8
MBCGame Hero 3

Anti-Team:

BackHo 2
Jaedong 10
Xellos 1

Steel balls.
I have a question about the trading system: I understand the player value will be recalculated every week for each player in some way and that trades only work to less valued players. The question is: the calculated player value will be approximated to whole numbers or some decimal place? And what was the main formula to calculate the player value? Thanks.


From the preview thread (its not approximated, displayed values are rounded to the nearest 1/100th):
+ Show Spoiler [Trade Value formula & example] +
Trade Value = (P / (4.56 / 11)) / M * M/11 + C * (11 - M)/11

P = Player's points.
M = number of matches played.
C = Player's original cost

4.56 is the number of points a 1 point cost player is expected to score over the entire round
11 is the total number of matches each team plays in a round.
(4.56 / 11 ~= .41)

Basically, this is figuring out what a player's point cost would be given their current performance (ie someone scoring 4.56 points in one game would have a cost of 11) this is then weighted with their original cost; the weights are percentage of games played for the "new" cost and percentage of games left for the original cost. I hope this makes sense, if not feel free to ask questions.

As an example let's say (T)Leta (9 cost) plays in two matches the first week going 1-0 with a Team win in the first match and 2-0 in the second with an ace win and team win (4 pts 1st game, 9 pts 2nd game [3 wins * 2, 2 lineups * 1, 1 ace * 2, 2 team wins * 1, 1 Three Win Streak * 1]) = 13 pts for week 1 with two matches played out of 11 for the round:

T = (13 / .41) / 2 * 2/11 + 9 * (11-2/11)
T = 31.4 / 2 * 2/11 + 9 * 9/11 = ?
T = 15.7 * 2/11 + 9 * 9/11 = (At this point we can see he has an estimated cost of 15.7 if he continues on this scoring trend whereas his original cost is 9--these are then weighted based on games played and games left)

T = 2.85 + 7.4
Trade Value = 10.21 ((T)Leta's trade value at the end of week one with him scoring 13 pts over 2 games)

Trade Value is directly comparable with a players original cost thus someone with a Trade Value of 9 is rated the same as a player that started at Cost 9.
Adjusted Trade Value is what is used in the actual trade calculations and is simply Trade Value * Number of Games Left.

Thus, (T)Leta at 10.21 with 9 games left would have an Adjusted Trade Value of 91.89; say (P)free plays one game in week 1 and his new trade value is 9.5 (just picked this randomly fyi), (P)free with 10 games left would have an Adjusted Trade Value of 95. Notice how (P)free's Adjusted Trade Value is higher than (T)Leta's because he has the extra game left to score additional points in.

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