On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote: Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it. Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.
The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.
EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already
Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's)
I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it.
jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled.
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote: Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it. Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.
The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.
EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already
Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's)
I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it.
jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled.
its fbh... he deserves it, fbh humiliated JD with BCs and then trash talked him in the MSL selection ceremony (saying about how he would put him in a slump he will never return from)
well we all know what happened then...
edit: the game was on destination and involves JD making mass hatcheries in FBH's nat because he wouldn't gg (as always)
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games his zvt looked WAY stronger if anything i dont think picking a good foreign p again will give him an easy win
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games
What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't?
You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further.
I'm dying to know what the Korean commentators said about Idra's play during the match. Maybe someone who understands Korean can add subtitles to the vods or write a summary of what they said?
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games his zvt looked WAY stronger if anything i dont think picking a good foreign p again will give him an easy win
god, this all-in or semi all-in (wtf?) stuff is getting old, win is fucking win, your's opponent fault for not scouting it. and saying that f91 was cluless after initial attack is just damm stupid, you can't be serious. or you are just trolling and i got owned :<
The night Idra's matches took place were the first live matches I've ever watched and they were a hell of a lot more exciting than Tossgirl's. He sort of lost to himself on that second game, so I think there's plenty of hope for improvement for this guy once he beats himself since he clearly has the talent.
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote: Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it. Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.
The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.
EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already
Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's)
I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it.
jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled.
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games
What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't?
You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further.
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games
What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't?
You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further.
i was afraid to read this thread cause i hadn't seen the match. however by reading the title "Idra's Preformance on GomTv" just gave me the feeling that he lost and kinda pissed me off. I thought he played very well he needs to maybe be a little more aggressive at the right time but to me he played very well considering all the pressure of being on TV and everyone watching and critequing (hope i spelled that right^^) his play.
i dont know, dont you notice how good zergs play it out with hydra/muta switch? they still expand and have a decent amount of units if their shit dosnt work out what good pro zerg really goes for 2 hatch lair bs? "Delayed muta"? what the fuck isthat shit and how does it work vs someone who scouts? Its nonys old fault he lost, but saying f91 owns every foreigner is just insane. Didnt you see the game where he sniped every damn templar with his mutas and then proceeded to be completely destroyed in the following shove and second time he did that muta switch he caught nonys reavers completely out of position, i mean who the fuck makes shitton of mutas vs superior sair army? It was a bad mistake but it wasnt even supposed to work out if nony didnt fuck up its my opinion and there no need to shit on me for saying things like "f91 all ins in zvp", which is 80% of time true
now i have watched the games i have to say that game 1 was very very good (from both), nice EMPs, nice macro, nice vult play; 9.5/10 game 2 was pretty sloppy, turret placement (god -.-), shuttle flying in a turret, vults standing right besides probes but not attacking them (300 APM and no a click possible? i would have laughed so hard if trap saved the probes with a shuttle after 3 minutes or so).... i didnt really understand his decisions though, after killing the expo at 10, why doesnt he expand at 5/3 when he wants to pressure the expo at 2. like daniel said, regrouping and playing it safe would have certainly won him the game; 7/10 game 3 was a bit of a shock then, seeing someone whio relies mostly on his macro getting outmacroed this way. his drop play overall is really really horrible. in game 1 he lost the dropship i guess without even saving one tank, now he throws away 8(?) tanks for nothing. at least the second drop he shouldnt have done. didnt really understand his gameplan here too. taking the flyonly which would certainly fall with the first recall? (both illusion on shuttles or 2-3 wraith to get the arbiter would have been nice :p) guess he wanted to push the very moment the recall happens? but why would he throw away his tanks with the drops then.. ah well, guess im too noob to understand that. again nice unit control though; 6/10
overall pretty good, im impressed. i wish him good luck, maybe he will make it into one of the starleagues, but i doubt it. im still shocked by his broodsports performance
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games
What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't?
You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further.
Any zerg attack that works is an all-in. duh
lol. i totally agree. zerg is imba.
wow you are so right. just LOOK at the jaedong vs iris game.
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!
F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games
What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't?
You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further.
Any zerg attack that works is an all-in. duh
lol. i totally agree. zerg is imba.
wow you are so right. just LOOK at the jaedong vs iris game.
As I've always said. Zerg is imbalanced, it's just that no one has the skill to use it's full power! (Jaedong showed us a glimpse of it)
I also need to add that I really liked Idra's EMP usage. I feel like whenever I'm watching a pro game I never see EMP being used a lot unless it's on a clump of idle arbiters. But in that 1st match I felt like EMP was going off every time the observer showed one of his vessels, even if it was just on a clump of dragoons to soften them up for the tanks.
I just want to say: I didn't like Idra from watching the "broodsport". He didn't type gg and I don't like BM. I'm from the south. However, these games Idra performed nicely and didn't have any BM moments, so hats of to Idra. I wouldn't hold a grudge against someone for something like that. I agree with most of these other posters: he could have swept this 2-0, and with a little practice and confidence, he could enter the scene. BTW, why does TLPD still register Idra with no games? Did these not "count"?
So this is how Idra plays in no lag conditions . Very impress with Idra's performance given that he is a foreigner. Since it was a korean protoss, I thought it would had been a lopsided victory for protoss. Glad I was wrong. 2nd game was Idra's to lose. Perhaps he was overconfident when had that huge lead.
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. Very impress with Idra's performance given that he is a foreigner. Since it was a korean protoss, I thought it would had been a lopsided victory for protoss. Glad I was wrong. 2nd game was Idra's to lose. Perhaps he was overconfident when had that huge lead.
