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toopham
United States551 Posts
What did you guys think of Idra's performance? He basically raped Trap 1st game and 2nd game he lost because of his overconfidence. Also (im not homo) but I thought Idra look GOOD. Way better than when he was in Estro where he was skinny and looks like a kid. Now he looks healthy and mature. | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
Imho for him do really do anything noticeable he has to beat himself, first of all, then it will all come to him. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On March 30 2009 07:11 minus_human wrote: Imho Idra's mechanics were great, but his mentality... lacking, to say the best, as usual. Imho for him do really do anything noticeable he has to beat himself, first of all, then it will all come to him. Yeah, I also think it's not the raw skill part is where he's lacking, not at all. I'm pretty sure the CJ managers noticed the same, hence the purchase from eSTRO. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On topic though; Haven't looked into those games but now I feel compelled to, I'll probably get back to the thread after i've seen the games. | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
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V6
147 Posts
cant find the games on gom. the latest games ul is bisu vs jd 1 month ago? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i61/MachineUSA/me-1.jpg?t=1238365580) but yea hes playing mechanically VERY well, just made some bad judgement's on timing to move out and hesitated a bit | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
Too bad his decision in 2nd one costed him the game and the whole match~~but overall performance was better then I expected from him, maybe he will get somewhere if he beats himself first as someone mentioned. | ||
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Neak
United Kingdom124 Posts
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
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masami.sc
United States445 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:00 Scooge wrote: He has no distinctive style. It's just standard and boring. It would be OK if you did it really well and manage to win (Flash after he got big), but standard and boring and losing makes you just another terran player. This is a terrible way to look at things. He plays to win. Not for any "style". | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:17 anotak wrote: This is a terrible way to look at things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I He plays to win. Not for any "style". If he plays to win, then he better change up his style. Unless if hes potentially amazing, hes not gonna be able to catch up to them. Playing copy isn't gonna get him up there. You can't assume that his opponents aren't praticing. Assuming his opponents have the same potential, it's obvious that they will both pratice and greg will still be behind. | ||
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Piste
6177 Posts
He performed really well, first game was almost perfect! He would have got second game but it was that one split force-attack that cost him the game. That is one of his weaknesses, splitting his army at the wrong time. Other than that he had quite good decisionmaking in the second game. Game three he had bad luck with the drop. Anyways Andromeda is hard map for Terran when facing protoss. Go Greg! And I would not suggest him to change his style... at least not yet. Playing standard builds and forcing the the match going into the lategame is a good way to get strong badass mechanics. After getting insane macro+micro you can go and switch your style from time to time. | ||
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
ABOUT NoNy vs F91, Do not click this spoiler if you haven't watched the games yet. + Show Spoiler + As we can see idra losing to f91 5:2 wasn't as bad as it seemed, as far as liquibition goes f91 has performed the best out of any foreigner, beating nony today 4:2. I think one thing that idra needs to develop in his play is some strategies that aren't standard, don't get me wrong, not like allins or anything, just like spice it up with an FD push, 2 fact, 1 fact/1star, or 13cc even instead of just siege expand everytime. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:20 EternaLEnVy wrote: If he plays to win, then he better change up his style. Unless if hes potentially amazing, hes not gonna be able to catch up to them. Playing copy isn't gonna get him up there. You can't assume that his opponents aren't praticing. Assuming his opponents have the same potential, it's obvious that they will both pratice and greg will still be behind. Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
second game was the turning point, he should have won that, it sad to see him go. anyways great job Idra, i for one am proud | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
Once he gets used to it, if he's still doing the same thing we have a problem, but for now I think he's doing great. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:57 Racenilatr wrote: thks for the dam spoiler you'd have to be braindead to come into this thread not expecting to be spoiled. did you expect the op to talk about his performance on GomTV without talking about whether he won or not? | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 30 2009 09:15 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: Idra will eventually prove all the haters wrong. doubtful, if idra won the OSL they'd call it luck and his opponent was playing his off game the haters are relentless -_-; (check gg.net for proof) | ||
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FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
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berkguyyy
United States151 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:57 Racenilatr wrote: Don't be a troll.thks for the dam spoiler I just had a look at your posting history and it's 99% useless one liners. Watch it. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On March 30 2009 09:21 FoBuLouS wrote: Did he gg? Didn't watch the games but I'm pretty sure you have to nowadays. | ||
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
 WTB B-teamers only league! | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
On March 30 2009 07:27 Machine[USA] wrote: GOD DAMN GREG LOOKS SO HAWWWTTTT ID HIT THAT but yea hes playing mechanically VERY well, just made some bad judgement's on timing to move out and hesitated a bit ![[image loading]](http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/06/eminem_narrowweb__300x424,0.jpg) ? | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:57 Racenilatr wrote: thks for the dam spoiler lol idiot _D | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
LOL 5/5 | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
On March 30 2009 09:24 berkguyyy wrote: Saw the game. Idra's mechanics are good, but you could say that for just about any progamer and even many amateurs. I think he needs to mix his play up more (yes as in more cheese and semi all-in builds) and also know how to deal with nonstandard situations better. Maybe it'll help if he becomes like really angry like Jaedong before a match. I loled at the homo comment LOL. You need to win using standard plays and be calm and collected before you can get very angry and 5 pool + Show Spoiler + AND LOSE TO SKYHIGH LOLOLOLOL This is especially for terran, but even for zerg I don't think Luxury of Jaedong ever went all in when they were climbing there way up (although that's just a guess) | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:27 Rostam wrote: Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000. Age sup, that has to do with potential. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
wtf lol. +1 I didn't have time to watch GOM but nice to hear IdrA did well. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:27 Rostam wrote: Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000. Well I didn't add in the confidence factor and plus, not everyone practices the same amount. Also age seems to affect the player's abilities. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 30 2009 09:21 FoBuLouS wrote: Did he gg? Amazingly: On March 29 2009 20:10 538 wrote: Idra ggs! :D (with typing) On March 29 2009 20:11 Nokeboy wrote: whoa he said gg! | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On March 30 2009 10:05 Disregard wrote: His macro is insane, even though they mentioned that a million times. What is his rating? | ||
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koreasilver
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
I think he has huge potential. His game was excellent, if you ask me. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Trap] + Total: 12-15 (including IdrA) vP: 1-2 vT: 7-7 vZ: 4-6 Trap's wins over Suny, XellOs, and Neo.G_SoulKey (Zerg that Woongjin is very high on) in the last round of Prelims are very telling. The kid obviously isn't a total pushover, is on STX's A-Team, and has shown a good amount of potential even at his young age (nearly qualifying for MST already, and at just 15). IdrA played well but ultimately fell to a player who is just a little ahead of most other progamers who have only been on the scene for a year. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
gg but ul | ||
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Typho0n
Canada276 Posts
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frozenclaw
Canada409 Posts
On March 30 2009 10:40 Typho0n wrote: nice try idra. gg's | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
ding ding ding | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
he nearly won the series, and while it's painful to get that close and not get the reward there are a lot of positives to take out of it. now that he's got the first one out of the way it should be easier to play in the big show next time. gl idra | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On March 30 2009 10:53 SuperJongMan wrote: They shoulda sent him out instead of Iris for WL finals word Tiger Terran > Berserker Terran | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On March 30 2009 09:52 EternaLEnVy wrote: Well I didn't add in the confidence factor and plus, not everyone practices the same amount. Also age seems to affect the player's abilities. I like how you had to respond to him twice. and it wasn't even double posting. and you mentioned age in both responses | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
I thought we were calling him Potter Terran?? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
I really have trouble seeing him even being good enough to ever play a proleague game. Unless it's one of those end-of-season throwaway matches. | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
His mine usage was fantastic. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
On March 30 2009 12:01 intrigue wrote: third game was really blah but yeah i really liked the first two. very nice vessel and mine usage, good macro, good pushes and in general decent timing. the blunder in game 2 that cost him all his tanks is just really unfortunate, he had pretty solid control of the game. I actually liked the third game, IdrA held off for allot longer than I thought he would and he is very good with EMP vs Stasis, trap just had such a blasphemes amount of gateways and expansions he could pretty much throw his entire army away (Which he did a few times) and replace it in seconds. | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On March 30 2009 11:25 NeverGG wrote:I'm just so happy that the first game played on television in Korea for years by a foreign player was a win. Eventhough he didn't quite make it - it was still a great step towards bridging the gap between the Korean and Foreign scenes. Amen that's what I thought too. Someone should give the man a pat on the back. | ||
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Pieguy314
Canada262 Posts
On March 30 2009 12:52 RainmanMP wrote: Amen that's what I thought too. Someone should give the man a pat on the back. I cannot tell if you are serious or not. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
I can't tell if you're being a douchebag or not. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
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Im-JaY
Canada69 Posts
Man that was uncalled for. Your post is the first negative one I've seen. Theres plenty of other threads you can make that comment in, go post there. Anyways, great job Idra. Keep it up and you'll be winning series in no time. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:06 Gliche wrote: I'd really like to see the reaction of Korean Netizens to this match. Where's SuperJongMan? T_T True dat. Wonder if we will have some 'Harry Potter Terran' fans or somethin! I'm really glad Greg won though its so awesome! | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:06 Gliche wrote: I'd really like to see the reaction of Korean Netizens to this match. Where's SuperJongMan? T_T He's crying because he had to read Korean netizen posts. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:08 Im-JaY wrote: Man that was uncalled for. Your post is the first negative one I've seen. Theres plenty of other threads you can make that comment in, go post there. Anyways, great job Idra. Keep it up and you'll be winning series in no time. no I think he misinterpreted rainman to be referring to nevergg who is clearly not a man... but he was probably (?) referring to idra anyway gj idra! I should watch the games | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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Pieguy314
Canada262 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:08 Im-JaY wrote: Man that was uncalled for. Your post is the first negative one I've seen. Theres plenty of other threads you can make that comment in, go post there. Anyways, great job Idra. Keep it up and you'll be winning series in no time. There seems to be some misconception I initially thought when you said "man" you were referring to NeverGG, who is a female. Now I realize that you are talking about Idra, and I too agree that he did quite a good job on GomTV. I apologize for the misconception. =D | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
Game 1 on tau cross reminded me of fucking NaDa vs Jangbi in game 1 in Byz 2... seriously he played at korean level right there.. keep in mind Protoss was good and had excellent macro as well... Good shit Greg.. he also has that progaming look in the booth .. he looked calm and not nervous at all... He can do it! I believe | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:19 Pieguy314 wrote: There seems to be some misconception I initially thought when you said "man" you were referring to NeverGG, who is a female. Now I realize that you are talking about Idra, and I too agree that he did quite a good job on GomTV. I apologize for the misconception. =D Oh ok that's fine but yes GREG FIGHTING! | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 30 2009 13:43 InfeSteD wrote: To those who say his play is boring is bullshit... Game 1 on tau cross reminded me of fucking NaDa vs Jangbi in game 1 in Byz 2... seriously he played at korean level right there.. keep in mind Protoss was good and had excellent macro as well... Good shit Greg.. he also has that progaming look in the booth .. he looked calm and not nervous at all... He can do it! I believe There was a definitely NaDa-ish tinge to his style :p Neo-Tornado~ | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
That's Eminem? lol. Nerd has gangster looks. On topic, I only saw the first game, and it was great. Idra had nice timing and countered Trap's play really well. I think Trap was surprised at losing to a foreigner so he stayed in the game longer than he might have normally, like when White_Ra was playing Nbs in that one Chinese tourney. White_Ra had the game but lost it due to bad position / micro mistakes and it became an elmination race, with Nbs building a pylon on top of a ramp and blocking it with a DT. gg | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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CatioN
United States136 Posts
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
Or is it just that you can't even begin to think about your overarching strategy/gameplan and all the branches it can take throughout the game until you're able to execute the basics flawlessly? Overall I think he won a lot of fans today and I'm happy for him. His personality on camera seemed totally reasonable. Hopefully he and the CJ coaches are at least content with his performance. | ||
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Zerum
Sweden348 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:27 Rostam wrote: Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000. I think this is true to some degre becus if the players that the best from 2000 practiced just as much as every new player and didn't do other stuff we would probebly have the same people on the top. But then practicing hours to result is also on a exponential scale so at the veary top practis will not improv as much as it does on the slightly lower level and then other can cath up a bit. | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
On March 30 2009 15:30 Zerum wrote: I think this is true to some degre becus if the players that the best from 2000 practiced just as much as every new player and didn't do other stuff we would probebly have the same people on the top. But then practicing hours to result is also on a exponential scale so at the veary top practis will not improv as much as it does on the slightly lower level and then other can cath up a bit. i disagree because as players get older they get slower | ||
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
It's his first televised game, and it wasn't that bad. Also, he's CJ, gotta cheer for him. Looking forward to the next time. | ||
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pindleskin
New Zealand199 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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sAw
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On March 30 2009 17:03 sAw wrote: In game 1 Trap had 200 pop (first time he maxed), while idra had like 120ish... Toss failed miserably with his attack and that is the main reason idra managed to win game one (after the fight both were at 150 or so). Trap defeated him self in game 1 =) | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
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vector
Poland70 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Piste
6177 Posts
edit: well not actually "bet"... D: | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
im really surprised gj idrA | ||
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taohiker
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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stack
Canada348 Posts
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
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kulik-
Czech Republic305 Posts
On March 30 2009 23:20 monstar123 wrote: I bet that he will lose BO7 to White-Ra. so? | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
So do not argue about Trap>Idra or Idra>Trap At first he should win foreigners to prove that his skill improved ! | ||
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kulik-
Czech Republic305 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On March 31 2009 01:07 monstar123 wrote: So do not argue about Trap>Idra or Idra>Trap At first he should win foreigners to prove that his skill improved ! thats really dumb for two main reasons A) The skillsets he has been working on are devised for use against koreans B) Who friggin cares if he loses to foreigners | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On March 31 2009 01:29 haz wrote: B) Who friggin cares if he loses to foreigners apparently almost everybody | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
Anyhow, first game showed his abilities. Looked good - will improve.. but he needs to fix his weaknesses... | ||
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AloneInDaBunker
Korea (South)123 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On March 31 2009 01:59 AloneInDaBunker wrote: Idra will shine someday. CJ team is no joke. They will give Idra some top training. All we need is just some patience. Until he changes his attitude, he won't shine. Even if he becomes A team or proleague roster material. He will be a polished turd. And turds don't shine. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Hater. I hate you more. I HATE YOU SO MUCH! FFFfffffff DUXK | ||
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Piste
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On March 31 2009 02:07 SuperJongMan wrote: Anything polished shines, even a turd. Hater. I hate you more. I HATE YOU SO MUCH! FFFfffffff DUXK you are lovely | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
Are you still playing SC my idol? edit: you should have tried to get a shot with CJ but who am I to talk, I trust that you made a perfect decision! *no sarcasm intended* | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Anyway it's not haters envy. It's a critique from someone who wants IdrA to do well. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 31 2009 02:04 MYM.Testie wrote: Until he changes his attitude, he won't shine. Even if he becomes A team or proleague roster material. He will be a polished turd. And turds don't shine. I've seen wet turd glisten under the sunlight before. | ||
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amoxicilline
France1124 Posts
Fast expand all three games with fast ebay and fast acad put him behind in eco all three games .. he played very well game 1 with good use of mines , lost game 2 while he should have set a big contain and expand , and lost game 3 pretty fast because he was behind in eco. imo he played pretty well though , I hope he does well for his next televised games | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 31 2009 02:04 MYM.Testie wrote: Until he changes his attitude, he won't shine. Even if he becomes A team or proleague roster material. He will be a polished turd. And turds don't shine. mythbusters disagrees | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On March 30 2009 23:02 stack wrote: as much as I dislike bm players I think you did well Idra and even hope you keep going and do better in the future. Word! Just honest and clean words. IdrA keep going man. I stood up and cheered everytime you came closer to your win in set 1. Something i only do for Nada. Then i did your photoshop. Which you hopefully saw and liked :D + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/aoxe6t.jpg) | ||
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On March 31 2009 03:34 4Servy wrote: Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good. Ok I seriously think people keep saying this as some kind of mantra. What exactly are you thinking of? (with reference to todays' games)?? 3 games, three builds, that's about as much variation you can ask for seriously. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
got a bit unlucky 3rd game with trap killing that neutral building, guess many p's wouldntve done that 2nd game was close, probably shouldve chosen between pushing and taking 3rd, either one wouldve worked | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On March 31 2009 03:34 4Servy wrote: Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good. just a linear and predictable post, thats all i think of it trying to explain anything to a sheep herd is impossible good thing is that the herd will follow when idra starts winning | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
On March 30 2009 08:27 Rostam wrote: Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000. that's not true because most of the on top atm vary very little in skill and a lot of it comes down to mindcontrol and good conditioning pregame also age is a definite factor which is why the top players always change On March 31 2009 05:03 food wrote: just a linear and predictable post, thats all i think of it trying to explain anything to a sheep herd is impossible good thing is that the herd will follow when idra starts winning i c u've contributed a lot to this thread by trying to not convince a herd of sheeps... | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
TV match.. the time a foreigner did that was either Smuft or Grrr.. well i wouldnt know but still yeah GG | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On March 31 2009 01:58 MYM.Testie wrote: I'm jealous because I could never amount to anything even through using hacks | ||
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ShmotZ
United States581 Posts
. Goodluck on the next season greg!! | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
If you can win standard comfortably, adapting to tardo rando commando early game strats is just a matter of time to adapt to that. | ||
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Delerium
United States324 Posts
IdrA really impressed me on Sunday. I have watched people trash-talk him into the ground on TL.net, and after seeing the results F91 posted against him, I was not expecting IdrA to hold together on Korean TV. Given the show he gave us, I think he did very well for himself and probably won a lot of people over to his side. Honestly, maybe it sounds silly, but I really enjoyed seeing a white guy beat a korean in a televised game, even without taking the series. It was great TV experience for IdrA's career going forward. Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea! The problem that TL.net posters seem to have with IdrA amounts to personality and ego. It's a dilemma if you're IdrA: you're playing on a korean pro team! you're the only white guy in the world 'good enough' to do that! Surely that's something to feel good about? But, you aren't given any slack by the rest of your white peers. What I've noticed about the super-stars in broodwar is that they are all incredibly humble. They hold their opponents in high regard. It's possible that overconfidence, ego, and arrogance may be a stumbling block for IdrA moving forward. Many people struggle with those things, though, so I think we should be kind. If IdrA truly wants to improve his game as a gift to his loyal fans, he can probably overcome this mental hurdle with his sincerity. IdrA said in his interview that he can't communicate with his teammates. I definitely think that making an effort to learn some Korean would really help his game. It should be pretty easy because he's in an immersive language environment and the people around him can understand and speak his native tongue a little bit. IdrA, if you're reading this, I hope you do very well in the future and show us some good games! You are the hope of foreigners everywhere. It was so cool to see you in a real CJ uniform on a stage with lights and an audience... | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant. The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote: Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it. Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant. The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny. lol.. why are you using one person to represent every single korean... | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:21 ramen247 wrote: lol.. why are you using one person to represent every single korean... Oh God, never type quickly on the internet. I worded that wrong of course I don't mean all Koreans are arrogant. Just imagine all you saw of Idra was his speech before the GOM match, you'd think he was a really humble guy. That's all I'm saying. So basically I disagree with: On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: What I've noticed about the super-stars in broodwar is that they are all incredibly humble. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote: Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it. Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant. The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really. I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny. EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's) I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:31 Racenilatr wrote: EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's) I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it. jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:32 floor exercise wrote: That's cause you don't understand the difference between having a winning attitude and being arrogant. Anyone who hopes to accomplish anything should believe in themselves that they are capable of doing it. That's not arrogance Well what is a "winning attitude". There isn't a lot of difference between unerring self-belief and arrogance, that's for sure. Idra believes he should win every game he plays, and if he loses it isn't his fault or a fault in his play. He loses are often because his opponent took a large risk (that wouldn't play off if he had defended properly, which he is capable of) and they got lucky. Now that is self-confidence. You need that to keep believing that you can make it and believing in your own style of play and practice if you want to do well. Where the arrogance comes in is he doesn't keep this to himself. But then that's just speaking your mind, I don't see that as a weakness. Putting it in the nicest terms, would it be wrong to say: Speaking your mind, combined with an overly positive spin on your own abilities = arrogance. | ||
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Flaccid
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
That's something entirely different. | ||
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ilistis
United States828 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:54 ramen247 wrote: jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled. What game was it? | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:54 ramen247 wrote: jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled. its fbh... he deserves it, fbh humiliated JD with BCs and then trash talked him in the MSL selection ceremony (saying about how he would put him in a slump he will never return from) well we all know what happened then... edit: the game was on destination and involves JD making mass hatcheries in FBH's nat because he wouldn't gg (as always) | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote: Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea! F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games his zvt looked WAY stronger if anything i dont think picking a good foreign p again will give him an easy win | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 31 2009 08:50 food wrote: F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't? You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further. | ||
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iarekorea
United States11 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On March 31 2009 08:50 food wrote: F91 never stomped nony he seemed clueless every time nony lived past initial all in in fact he did go all in or semi-all-in every one of those games his zvt looked WAY stronger if anything i dont think picking a good foreign p again will give him an easy win god, this all-in or semi all-in (wtf?) stuff is getting old, win is fucking win, your's opponent fault for not scouting it. and saying that f91 was cluless after initial attack is just damm stupid, you can't be serious. or you are just trolling and i got owned :< | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
i think this one? | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On March 31 2009 08:53 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: What the fuck is a semi-all-in? An attack on which the entire game lies, but at the same time doesn't? You seem to think that any permutation of a hydra attack before the Protoss can save up 30 storms is all-in so I'm not really going to argue the point any further. Any zerg attack that works is an all-in. duh | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On March 31 2009 09:59 sixghost wrote: Any zerg attack that works is an all-in. duh lol. i totally agree. zerg is imba. | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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food
United States1951 Posts
what good pro zerg really goes for 2 hatch lair bs? "Delayed muta"? what the fuck isthat shit and how does it work vs someone who scouts? Its nonys old fault he lost, but saying f91 owns every foreigner is just insane. Didnt you see the game where he sniped every damn templar with his mutas and then proceeded to be completely destroyed in the following shove and second time he did that muta switch he caught nonys reavers completely out of position, i mean who the fuck makes shitton of mutas vs superior sair army? It was a bad mistake but it wasnt even supposed to work out if nony didnt fuck up its my opinion and there no need to shit on me for saying things like "f91 all ins in zvp", which is 80% of time true | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
game 2 was pretty sloppy, turret placement (god -.-), shuttle flying in a turret, vults standing right besides probes but not attacking them (300 APM and no a click possible? i would have laughed so hard if trap saved the probes with a shuttle after 3 minutes or so).... i didnt really understand his decisions though, after killing the expo at 10, why doesnt he expand at 5/3 when he wants to pressure the expo at 2. like daniel said, regrouping and playing it safe would have certainly won him the game; 7/10 game 3 was a bit of a shock then, seeing someone whio relies mostly on his macro getting outmacroed this way. his drop play overall is really really horrible. in game 1 he lost the dropship i guess without even saving one tank, now he throws away 8(?) tanks for nothing. at least the second drop he shouldnt have done. didnt really understand his gameplan here too. taking the flyonly which would certainly fall with the first recall? (both illusion on shuttles or 2-3 wraith to get the arbiter would have been nice :p) guess he wanted to push the very moment the recall happens? but why would he throw away his tanks with the drops then.. ah well, guess im too noob to understand that. again nice unit control though; 6/10 overall pretty good, im impressed. i wish him good luck, maybe he will make it into one of the starleagues, but i doubt it. im still shocked by his broodsports performance | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
wow you are so right. just LOOK at the jaedong vs iris game. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On March 31 2009 10:42 ramen247 wrote: wow you are so right. just LOOK at the jaedong vs iris game. As I've always said. Zerg is imbalanced, it's just that no one has the skill to use it's full power! (Jaedong showed us a glimpse of it) | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
I didn't like Idra from watching the "broodsport". He didn't type gg and I don't like BM. I'm from the south. However, these games Idra performed nicely and didn't have any BM moments, so hats of to Idra. I wouldn't hold a grudge against someone for something like that. I agree with most of these other posters: he could have swept this 2-0, and with a little practice and confidence, he could enter the scene. BTW, why does TLPD still register Idra with no games? Did these not "count"? | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
. Very impress with Idra's performance given that he is a foreigner. Since it was a korean protoss, I thought it would had been a lopsided victory for protoss. Glad I was wrong. 2nd game was Idra's to lose. Perhaps he was overconfident when had that huge lead. | ||
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iSCOUT4u
United States327 Posts
On March 31 2009 11:50 gumbum8 wrote: I just want to say: I didn't like Idra from watching the "broodsport". He didn't type gg and I don't like BM. I'm from the south. However, these games Idra performed nicely and didn't have any BM moments, so hats of to Idra. I wouldn't hold a grudge against someone for something like that. I agree with most of these other posters: he could have swept this 2-0, and with a little practice and confidence, he could enter the scene. BTW, why does TLPD still register Idra with no games? Did these not "count"? Of course Idra will be himself and be BM in some litle event that like 8 people watch. And of course he WONT be BM on a televised match...becuase if he was...he prolly wouldnt be in korea much longer. You cant be BM on tv...especially when ur a nobody. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
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ArvickHero
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On April 01 2009 10:11 ArvickHero wrote: The "He's been there for 1 year and only has done this he should just gtfo" comments make me lol 1st. those comments were PREETTTY popular a few months ago, holy shit. 2nd. again, idra was flamed to the next level sometimes on here. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On April 01 2009 08:24 iSCOUT4u wrote: Of course Idra will be himself and be BM in some litle event that like 8 people watch. And of course he WONT be BM on a televised match...becuase if he was...he prolly wouldnt be in korea much longer. You cant be BM on tv...especially when ur a nobody. -_-. 8 people watch broodsport? the server freaking crashed cuz there were more like 8 x 1000 people. kk gg. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
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 IdrA and  Trap showed very solid gameplay in their matches. However, both of them played a standard and rather uninspiring TvP/PvT series. The thing that seperates successful progamers from their other peers is their flexibility. This was not the case in this series for either of the players. If they expect to be successful, they will have to show more then that. Otherwise, I seriously doubt either of them will ever come very far in the progaming scene. | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
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