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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
March 30 2009 18:34 GMT
#121
Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
March 30 2009 18:40 GMT
#122
On March 31 2009 03:34 4Servy wrote:
Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good.

Ok I seriously think people keep saying this as some kind of mantra. What exactly are you thinking of? (with reference to todays' games)??
3 games, three builds, that's about as much variation you can ask for seriously.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
March 30 2009 20:01 GMT
#123
sick performance, looking really good
got a bit unlucky 3rd game with trap killing that neutral building, guess many p's wouldntve done that
2nd game was close, probably shouldve chosen between pushing and taking 3rd, either one wouldve worked
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 20:05:03
March 30 2009 20:03 GMT
#124

On March 31 2009 03:34 4Servy wrote:
Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good.


just a linear and predictable post, thats all i think of it
trying to explain anything to a sheep herd is impossible
good thing is that the herd will follow when idra starts winning
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 20:23:04
March 30 2009 20:21 GMT
#125
On March 30 2009 08:27 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2009 08:20 EternaLEnVy wrote:
On March 30 2009 08:17 anotak wrote:
On March 30 2009 08:00 Scooge wrote:
He has no distinctive style. It's just standard and boring. It would be OK if you did it really well and manage to win (Flash after he got big), but standard and boring and losing makes you just another terran player.

This is a terrible way to look at things.


He plays to win. Not for any "style".


If he plays to win, then he better change up his style. Unless if hes potentially amazing, hes not gonna be able to catch up to them. Playing copy isn't gonna get him up there.

You can't assume that his opponents aren't praticing. Assuming his opponents have the same potential, it's obvious that they will both pratice and greg will still be behind.



Are you serious? By that logic, the same players should be on top now that were in 2000.

that's not true because most of the on top atm vary very little in skill and a lot of it comes down to mindcontrol and good conditioning pregame

also age is a definite factor which is why the top players always change
On March 31 2009 05:03 food wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 03:34 4Servy wrote:
Hes good mechanicly (always was) but its sooooooooo predicteble and linear that I dont see it working against a korean who can equaly macro really good.


just a linear and predictable post, thats all i think of it
trying to explain anything to a sheep herd is impossible
good thing is that the herd will follow when idra starts winning

i c u've contributed a lot to this thread by trying to not convince a herd of sheeps...
ggyo...
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
March 30 2009 20:57 GMT
#126
well alteast he was able to get in a
TV match.. the time a foreigner did that was either Smuft or Grrr.. well i wouldnt know but still

yeah GG
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
March 30 2009 21:11 GMT
#127
On March 31 2009 01:58 MYM.Testie wrote:
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On March 31 2009 01:29 haz wrote:
On March 31 2009 01:07 monstar123 wrote:
On March 31 2009 00:12 kulik- wrote:
On March 30 2009 23:20 monstar123 wrote:
I bet that he will lose BO7 to White-Ra.

so?


So do not argue about Trap>Idra or Idra>Trap
At first he should win foreigners to prove that his skill improved !


I am wrong.

I'm jealous because I could never amount to anything even through using hacks

ShmotZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States581 Posts
March 30 2009 21:32 GMT
#128
I just finished watching the 3 matches and i gotta say greg blew my mind. That first game was so perfectly played by idra. He manhandled trap almost entirely. The second game was almost of same quality of the first one, but showed that one mistake can turn the tide . Goodluck on the next season greg!!
Ah, computer dating. It's like pimping, but you rarely have to use the phrase "upside your head." - Bender
DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
March 30 2009 21:38 GMT
#129
I tihnk Idra is very good when people play straight up macro games. but he is really strugglign when people play more aggressive and not standard games. From the Idra games I have sene he is reall bad at addapting because of bad game sense I think that is his by far biggest concern.
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
March 30 2009 21:54 GMT
#130
Game 1 deserves 0 criticism from anyone, not only did he out macro his opponent, but trap didn't do shit. If idra has a slow boring style take into consideration that terran macro play is going to be the least exciting yet he still managed to harass and attack at different points consistently while as trap tried to play this macro play like it was sim city.

If you can win standard comfortably, adapting to tardo rando commando early game strats is just a matter of time to adapt to that.
Strength behind the Pride
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
March 30 2009 22:06 GMT
#131
Analysis from a newbie:

IdrA really impressed me on Sunday. I have watched people trash-talk him into the ground on TL.net, and after seeing the results F91 posted against him, I was not expecting IdrA to hold together on Korean TV. Given the show he gave us, I think he did very well for himself and probably won a lot of people over to his side. Honestly, maybe it sounds silly, but I really enjoyed seeing a white guy beat a korean in a televised game, even without taking the series. It was great TV experience for IdrA's career going forward.

Since F91 also stomped Nony, I don't think IdrA needs to feel bad about those results. I think most experts would agree with me that F91 probably has a strategic mind that rivals or exceeds many korean pro-gamers. He seems to have incredible game-sense, which is not an easily learned skill, but also the ability to trick his opponent, which is even more advanced. This further diminishes those losses. F91 really needs a Daniel Lee type figure to recognize his smarts and bring him to korea!

The problem that TL.net posters seem to have with IdrA amounts to personality and ego. It's a dilemma if you're IdrA: you're playing on a korean pro team! you're the only white guy in the world 'good enough' to do that! Surely that's something to feel good about? But, you aren't given any slack by the rest of your white peers.

What I've noticed about the super-stars in broodwar is that they are all incredibly humble. They hold their opponents in high regard. It's possible that overconfidence, ego, and arrogance may be a stumbling block for IdrA moving forward. Many people struggle with those things, though, so I think we should be kind. If IdrA truly wants to improve his game as a gift to his loyal fans, he can probably overcome this mental hurdle with his sincerity.

IdrA said in his interview that he can't communicate with his teammates. I definitely think that making an effort to learn some Korean would really help his game. It should be pretty easy because he's in an immersive language environment and the people around him can understand and speak his native tongue a little bit.

IdrA, if you're reading this, I hope you do very well in the future and show us some good games! You are the hope of foreigners everywhere. It was so cool to see you in a real CJ uniform on a stage with lights and an audience...
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 30 2009 22:17 GMT
#132
Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it.
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.

The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really.
I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
March 30 2009 22:21 GMT
#133
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:
Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it.
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.

The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really.
I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.


lol.. why are you using one person to represent every single korean...
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 30 2009 22:26 GMT
#134
On March 31 2009 07:21 ramen247 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:
Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it.
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.

The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really.
I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.


lol.. why are you using one person to represent every single korean...


Oh God, never type quickly on the internet.
I worded that wrong of course I don't mean all Koreans are arrogant.

Just imagine all you saw of Idra was his speech before the GOM match, you'd think he was a really humble guy. That's all I'm saying.
So basically I disagree with:
On March 31 2009 07:06 Delerium wrote:
What I've noticed about the super-stars in broodwar is that they are all incredibly humble.

Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-30 22:32:06
March 30 2009 22:31 GMT
#135
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:
Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it.
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.

The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really.
I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.

EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already


Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's)

I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 30 2009 22:32 GMT
#136
That's cause you don't understand the difference between having a winning attitude and being arrogant. Anyone who hopes to accomplish anything should believe in themselves that they are capable of doing it. That's not arrogance
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
March 30 2009 22:54 GMT
#137
On March 31 2009 07:31 Racenilatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2009 07:17 Klive5ive wrote:
Arrogance is not a stumbling block, far from it.
Pretty much anyone exceptional in any sport is very arrogant.

The Koreans may put on a persona of being humble but they're not really.
I like Jaedong a lot, but he really thinks he's THE MAN. The way he smirks and says stuff like "I haven't shown my true practice potential yet". He also thinks he's an awesome rave dancer as well, which is pretty funny.

EDIT: IGNORE THIS. I spent about 10 minutes thinking about my post and didn't realize it was responded to already


Jaedong isn't exactly one to rub it into another person's face. He is a good mannered player and will celebrate if there is a time to celebrate(beating a great rival) or he will respectfully lose(unlike other progamer's)

I have to disagree with you when you say "Arrogance isn't a stumbling block". Not everyone is exceptional in any sport AND arrogant. This is what noob bashers do in my opinion. They will purposefully bash noobs just to think they are good. Also being exceptional in stuff doesn't make you good at it automatically. You have raw talent, now you have to make good use of it.


jaedong's reaction after he lost to fbh was pretty... uncontrolled.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 30 2009 22:55 GMT
#138
On March 31 2009 07:32 floor exercise wrote:
That's cause you don't understand the difference between having a winning attitude and being arrogant. Anyone who hopes to accomplish anything should believe in themselves that they are capable of doing it. That's not arrogance

Well what is a "winning attitude".

There isn't a lot of difference between unerring self-belief and arrogance, that's for sure.

Idra believes he should win every game he plays, and if he loses it isn't his fault or a fault in his play. He loses are often because his opponent took a large risk (that wouldn't play off if he had defended properly, which he is capable of) and they got lucky.

Now that is self-confidence. You need that to keep believing that you can make it and believing in your own style of play and practice if you want to do well.

Where the arrogance comes in is he doesn't keep this to himself. But then that's just speaking your mind, I don't see that as a weakness.

Putting it in the nicest terms, would it be wrong to say:
Speaking your mind, combined with an overly positive spin on your own abilities = arrogance.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8835 Posts
March 30 2009 22:56 GMT
#139
Did IdrA ban the obs from the games after dropping game 2?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 30 2009 22:57 GMT
#140
Now you might say "well he doesn't have to be rude and pick fights"
That's something entirely different.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
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