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Hydra rush BO in vanilla Starcraft vs. P or T?

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oogabooga
Profile Joined February 2009
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 02:57:11
March 03 2009 01:51 GMT
#1
My muta rush BO gets killed when the opponent goes wraith or scout rush. I need an efficient hydra rush BO just for this scenario detailed down to how many drones to put on gas.

edit: Um, not sure how to post replays but here's my replay from battlereports.
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=33326
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 03 2009 01:58 GMT
#2
Chill has a very detailed answer for you.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
March 03 2009 02:00 GMT
#3
Read the strategy forum guidelines, then update your OP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60175
You might want to post a replay too, if only to show us a scout rush.

If you don't feel like doing that, you can experiment in singleplayer/kick out the comp when the countdown starts.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
March 03 2009 02:31 GMT
#4
Hmm, in my experience, mutalisk owns wraiths or scouts. You just need to have overlord speed upgrade if you're playing against terran.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
March 03 2009 02:42 GMT
#5
scout rush is also one of my main problems, those beastly scouts are so fast to produce, fly fast, very cheap compared to those costly mutalisks and their damage against ground units is superior to everything else in starcraft.
So do produce lots of hydralisks pleace use one of your first four drones to build an extractor and put the other three on gas. If you have saved up around 1000 gas you are ready to mine minerals again, now just build hydralisks and kill that lame protoss player going for his standard scout rush.






Srsly
aka DTF-ZeRo
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 03:38:20
March 03 2009 03:36 GMT
#6
On March 03 2009 10:58 malongo wrote:
Chill has a very detailed answer for you.


I feel truth in this statement, and I'm almost afraid for the OP.

Anyways, to the OP: I'd highly suggest purchasing Brood War. It's $10 USD and the strategy is supported so much more than vanilla. If you are simply playing on vanilla for fun, then use your brood war knowledge, and just make up a build. It shouldn't be too complicated.

I'd imagine it would go something like:
12 hatchery (at expansion)
11 pool
13 gas

Build hydralisk den as soon as possible, and upgrade speed + range when gas allows.
Then continue your hydralisk production, while throwing in metabolic boost (zergling speed) and a few lings into your army mix.
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
March 03 2009 03:44 GMT
#7
Ok, I watched your replay, mostly because I wanted to see a scout rush, but anyway:
Don't do 1 hatch muta, just don't.

Go to the recommended threads in the strategy forum and read the complete Zerg guide and the up-to-date ZvP guide to learn some builds with more than one hatchery.
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
March 03 2009 03:59 GMT
#8
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.
It felt like gravity.
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
March 03 2009 04:03 GMT
#9
i thought all vanilla players were fastest players.

and once u learn how to play starcraft im sure scout rushes wont bother u
(GET SCOURGE IF U KNOW HE IS GOING scouts, its so simple)
fuck lag
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
March 03 2009 05:09 GMT
#10
^it's not exactly that simple. Unlike corsairs, scourges don't exactly own scout unless you overwhelm them. You need around 4 scourges to kill 1 scout, not to mention scout 1 hit kill scourges like bc. (It's actually a lot like scourge vs bc, it's not easy unless you overwhelm in numbers)

The best counter is spore colony, unless you are going mass hydra.
The World God Only Knows
Eternity241
Profile Joined April 2008
Australia342 Posts
March 03 2009 05:17 GMT
#11
On March 03 2009 14:09 Ryshi wrote:
^it's not exactly that simple. Unlike corsairs, scourges don't exactly own scout unless you overwhelm them. You need around 4 scourges to kill 1 scout, not to mention scout 1 hit kill scourges like bc. (It's actually a lot like scourge vs bc, it's not easy unless you overwhelm in numbers)

The best counter is spore colony, unless you are going mass hydra.

As far as I know, scouts' air attack is explosive and thus only does half damage to scourges. Their projectiles also sometimes stuff up and don't kill the scourge fast enough, unlike sairs whose attacks are just instant.

So if you can get a few scourges out, they'll be able to kill off any scout which comes, odds are it won't have speed.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
March 03 2009 05:22 GMT
#12
On March 03 2009 12:59 Straylight wrote:
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.


There are no corsairs in vanilla.

At any rate, scout rushing is semi-viable in BW: Nal_rA did it to July on Raid Assault II if my memory serves me correctly.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
March 03 2009 05:30 GMT
#13
On March 03 2009 14:17 Eternity241 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 14:09 Ryshi wrote:
^it's not exactly that simple. Unlike corsairs, scourges don't exactly own scout unless you overwhelm them. You need around 4 scourges to kill 1 scout, not to mention scout 1 hit kill scourges like bc. (It's actually a lot like scourge vs bc, it's not easy unless you overwhelm in numbers)

The best counter is spore colony, unless you are going mass hydra.

As far as I know, scouts' air attack is explosive and thus only does half damage to scourges. Their projectiles also sometimes stuff up and don't kill the scourge fast enough, unlike sairs whose attacks are just instant.

So if you can get a few scourges out, they'll be able to kill off any scout which comes, odds are it won't have speed.


Right, it is 2 hits, forgot there was explosive.
The World God Only Knows
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
March 03 2009 05:31 GMT
#14
On March 03 2009 14:22 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 12:59 Straylight wrote:
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.


There are no corsairs in vanilla.

At any rate, scout rushing is semi-viable in BW: Nal_rA did it to July on Raid Assault II if my memory serves me correctly.

Didn't Cloud(the Protoss one) use scouts sometimes against Zerg too? I know they kill overlords a lot faster and can kill drones unlike corsairs.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 03 2009 05:39 GMT
#15
On March 03 2009 14:09 Ryshi wrote:
^it's not exactly that simple. Unlike corsairs, scourges don't exactly own scout unless you overwhelm them. You need around 4 scourges to kill 1 scout, not to mention scout 1 hit kill scourges like bc. (It's actually a lot like scourge vs bc, it's not easy unless you overwhelm in numbers)

The best counter is spore colony, unless you are going mass hydra.

Um excuse me wtf are you talking about.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 03 2009 05:39 GMT
#16
goddamn zerg w/o Lurkers.
id think by now losing wouldnt bother anymore
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 03 2009 06:12 GMT
#17
On March 03 2009 14:22 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 12:59 Straylight wrote:
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.


There are no corsairs in vanilla.

At any rate, scout rushing is semi-viable in BW: Nal_rA did it to July on Raid Assault II if my memory serves me correctly.

Wow...is there anything Nal_rA DIDNT do?

damn.
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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
March 03 2009 06:30 GMT
#18
On March 03 2009 15:12 PH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 14:22 Last Romantic wrote:
On March 03 2009 12:59 Straylight wrote:
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.


There are no corsairs in vanilla.

At any rate, scout rushing is semi-viable in BW: Nal_rA did it to July on Raid Assault II if my memory serves me correctly.

Wow...is there anything Nal_rA DIDNT do?

damn.


beat savior in a BoX

i assume hydra with range would be a fine counter, but light air does well against zerg in general.
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
March 03 2009 06:41 GMT
#19
can i ask what vanilla starcraft is?
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 03 2009 06:43 GMT
#20
On March 03 2009 15:41 [Fin]Vittu wrote:
can i ask what vanilla starcraft is?

Normally Classic Starcraft non Broodwar expansion. Others use it to refer fastest maps.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
March 03 2009 07:03 GMT
#21
On March 03 2009 15:30 esla_sol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 15:12 PH wrote:
On March 03 2009 14:22 Last Romantic wrote:
On March 03 2009 12:59 Straylight wrote:
Scout rush in PvZ? Is there something different about Scouts in SC vanilla that make them better than in Brood War?

Cause I am very confused.


There are no corsairs in vanilla.

At any rate, scout rushing is semi-viable in BW: Nal_rA did it to July on Raid Assault II if my memory serves me correctly.

Wow...is there anything Nal_rA DIDNT do?

damn.


beat savior in a BoX

i assume hydra with range would be a fine counter, but light air does well against zerg in general.


Nope he actually did that too, just nobody knows about it because it was some special event.
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