How much of a commitment are we expected to make? I'm taking some pretty heavy classes so I don't know if I can spend 5 hours at a lan party every Saturday =(. Also, do you expect us to be decent at SC to enroll, because I really suck (bnet 1v1 python noobs suck).

United States6173 Posts

January 22 2009 09:03 GMT

#28

oh my god.

I wish we had this at UCR...T_T

SOOO not cool.

SWPIGWANG

Canada482 Posts

January 22 2009 09:07 GMT

#29

can someone post the course contents at some point?

I'd love to learn about the nash equilibrium strategy for SCBW, for example...

Zalfor

United States1035 Posts

January 22 2009 09:11 GMT

#30

he scammed some professor into agreeing to sponsor his course.

he ran his marines around the lurker and went 1 rine vs 1 lurker and the prof was like "wuuutt?" and so he agreed to sponsor the class.

deathgod6

United States5064 Posts

January 22 2009 09:47 GMT

#31

New goal in life, go to UC Berkeley and major in SC. XD

Nimue

United States34 Posts

January 22 2009 09:53 GMT

#32

How much work went into this? Well, it's been in concept for at least one semester, but I've been working heavily on it for four months, writing lesson plans, getting necessary signatures, writing the textbook, and presenting it to various department officials to approve it.

Time commitment: the labs are completely optional. My goal in the course itself is to practice analytical thinking for SC and life, just with SC examples. So, you're looking at 2 hrs lecture and 1 hr homework each week. Also, SC proficiency is not necessary.

I'll be posting the lectures and certain notes on youtube and my website, www.berkeleystarcraft.com. My math isn't good enough to investigate your "nash equilibrium strategy" for SC, although it is pretty well outlined theoretically in the text. After the class is over, I'll offer the revised text on-line for review.
However, I'm quite proud of flux calculations, macro graphs and various time-evolution equations, which, once I am sure I have no mistakes in them, I shall post. But, I have to warn you, the math that goes in is somewhere around upper division university calculus or thereabouts.

How to get a professor to sign off on a "gaming" class? Well, I did a few presentations, one to the sponsoring professor, to demonstrate the rigorousness, analysis and thought that this class can provoke. Then, I submitted various papers to the dean of the business school. After that, registered with various university offices ... it was a pain, trust me.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 22 2009 11:37 GMT

#33

oh i want this to be at UCI i'd take it

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

January 22 2009 12:24 GMT

#34

This is even cooler than Food and Wine tasting which can get 20 out of 60 credits required per semestre on my Uni!

QuoC

United States724 Posts

January 22 2009 17:14 GMT

#35

that guys on a mac 0_o

EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

January 22 2009 17:27 GMT

#36

lol wow freaking awesome.

Kwidowmaker

Canada978 Posts

January 22 2009 18:09 GMT

#37

Would you be able to upload all the notes and lectures? I'd like to follow this from half the continent away

-edit- Will this class share research you did? It seems any sort of rigorous analysis would have been done already by a progaming team or university in Korea. Have you looked at any Korean information on this (I don't imagine a team would share it, but a university should). Also, every analysis of Starcraft I have seen has been a very intuitive one, so it seems many comprimises would have to be made to attach numbers to it, was that the case? And how much do you consider the psychology involved in a match?

Thanks for this!

TSL-Lore

United States412 Posts

January 22 2009 22:00 GMT

#38

On January 22 2009 15:17 toopham wrote:
I dont go to Cal so I dont know but I'm assuming Haas is a program for recreational classes offer to students?

And Yosh is teaching it?
OMFG. im so fuking jealous haha

Hey Jaeyun. Guess what, That's me in the doorway of the picture posted by superiorwolf. haha, small world huh.

TSL-Lore

United States412 Posts

January 22 2009 22:11 GMT

#39

I'm actually helping Nimue and Yosh teach this class.

Nimue

United States34 Posts

January 22 2009 22:18 GMT

#40

I thought about the question Kwidowmaker posed a lot in the past, actually; why hasn't anyone done any research or calculations like I have in the past?

I think the answer is: Starcraft players, especially the pros in Korea start at a very young age, and on top of that, once they do get sucked into Starcraft, do nothing but that. Like I said, the math required is not easy, so the pros wouldn't have learned that kind of math; they would all know it intuitively and solve the equations heuristically.

Then why not the coaches or university students? I think the coaches don't do it because they want to coach the way that they learned in the first place, because they know it works; there's no need to come up with new teaching methods that might or might not work. And the university students might ... bit might ... be kind of stuck in the thinking with which they've been instilled since they first started Starcraft with so long ago. I would say it's almost like a group-think mentality, except the group-think is applicable to the whole country.

What makes me different? I'm a Physics major and my life revolves around numbers. Furthermore, I only started playing SC 3 years ago, and in the beginning a lot was on my own. So, I had no outside influence. Although that made my start very slow, the way I thought about problems was different from someone who might have been taught by a mentor or coach.

I don't mean to diminish the importance of a great coach or teacher; I've had the incredible luck to have been taught by Lore and Yosh. However, even with their influence, I think the way I approach some things is fundamentally different. Well,we'll see; I hope you guys tune in on youtube