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On January 02 2010 06:06 dukethegold wrote:
At the rate that Flash is playing, I wouldn't be surprised if he reaches 2400. O.o
Btw, I heard that if Flash 3-0 Calm last night, he would have reached 2400, is that true?
Seems unlikely. And really, despite his incredibly beyond perfect play, I doubt any Terran could 3-0 Calm, given the way he was playing last night.
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I would say if Flash wins about 5 more games against current top 5 elo players he makes 2400? Not 100% sure how the ELO system here works, just a guess.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On December 18 2009 18:06 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 14:01 BloodDrunK wrote:
flash might just peak 2400 at this level. no chance whatsoever if he loses vs Jaedong he loses like 20+ pts. If he loses to any random 2200 player (ie top 10-15 player) he loses 30 pts or so. If he wins he gets like 4-5 pts.
doesn't seem like "no chance whatsoever" because he's at 2392
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didn't effort reach 2300+ ELO too?
and if flash hits 2400 my brain will explode?
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Flash will hit 2400. He will beat FBH, and win his series against Best while dropping a game. That will tank him slightly but leave him within striking distance of 2400, which he'll achieve when he 3-0's the OSL finals and picks up another PL game or two. (Also Flash vs Light or Kwanro will likely be 3-0 as well.)
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On December 27 2009 10:45 nebffa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2009 09:09 Orbifold wrote:On December 26 2009 02:14 SuperArc wrote:On December 26 2009 02:10 Holgerius wrote:Flash is indeed playing the best SC ever right now.  He is playing the best TvZ and TvT ever. To have the best SC he needs to complete his TvP. Until then, no it isnt the best ever YET. This is why JD is a beast, after the OSL final against Stork, hes never had a weak matchup anymore. haha... superarc hates flash so hard, it must feel like a fiery burning deep in his tummy. but what he says is true. jaedong has no player that he is consistently weak against. flash on the other hand, has stork, best, jangbi. all protosses.
What is wrong with you people? Do you watch the same starcraft everyone else does?
You only consider Flash's TvP "weak" because it's not as inhuman as his TvZ and TvT is...
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That pathetic 66% win percentage with the third highest ELO against Protoss. Man, that Flash sure is a two-trick pony without a good vP matchup.
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On January 02 2010 06:36 SimonB wrote:
That pathetic 66% win percentage with the third highest ELO against Protoss. Man, that Flash sure is a two-trick pony without a good vP matchup.
I know what you mean man. He really needs to shape up otherwise this slump will never end.
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Lol flash TvP noob
JD invincible against all race
kekke
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I doubt he'll be hitting 2400 off of Best. He needs to beat FBH and Best 2 games running to break it, I believe, and I have a hard time imagining Flash 3-0ing Best handily.
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wow Flash is roflstomping the past elo peak. I wonder if that new TvP midlate game management strategy is ready.
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Don't know if it's been stated before, but a month ago or so (and before) TL adjusted the ELO calculations, so the stated ELO peaks in the OP should be different from what TLPD shows now. Everyone's ELO went up by approx 20.
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On January 02 2010 06:19 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 18:06 cz wrote:On December 12 2009 14:01 BloodDrunK wrote:
flash might just peak 2400 at this level. no chance whatsoever if he loses vs Jaedong he loses like 20+ pts. If he loses to any random 2200 player (ie top 10-15 player) he loses 30 pts or so. If he wins he gets like 4-5 pts. doesn't seem like "no chance whatsoever" because he's at 2392
Well, to be fair, that was from Dec 18. Still I think 2400 is very hard to hit, even at 2392. Now I'm in a tough competition: I stated that Flash wouldn't hit 2400, but I'm a huge Flash fan... hmm.
And yeah he would have easily hit 2400, prob 2410+, if he had 3-0'd Calm. Not so much from getting more points, but form avoiding that giant ELO hit he took by losing the one game.
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On January 02 2010 06:29 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2009 10:45 nebffa wrote:On December 26 2009 02:14 SuperArc wrote:
To have the best SC he needs to complete his TvP. Until then, no it isnt the best ever YET. This is why JD is a beast, after the OSL final against Stork, hes never had a weak matchup anymore. but what he says is true. jaedong has no player that he is consistently weak against. flash on the other hand, has stork, best, jangbi. all protosses. What is wrong with you people? Do you watch the same starcraft everyone else does? You only consider Flash's TvP "weak" because it's not as inhuman as his TvZ and TvT is...
how dare u defending flash and his tvp? how dare u? flash is consistently weak against every decent protoss like stork (8-11, winning 1 OSL title against him with 3-0), best (1-3) or jangbi (1-2).
yes, i know. it's hard to face the truth, but: flash's tvp is just not good. in fact, it's bad. who was it who won on katrina when every other t got raped? which terran has the highest vp ELO until now? who won his OSL final 3-0 against stork while the overhyped fantasy lost 2--3? yes that is also flash, but you get my point: his 66% overall winning rate in tvp is nothing ok? if he ever gets to 62.7%like jaedong in zvt (who has no weak matchup since his first OSL title) ONLY THEN you can say his tvp is on par with his tvz/tvt
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On January 02 2010 08:37 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 06:29 Jayme wrote:On December 27 2009 10:45 nebffa wrote:On December 26 2009 02:14 SuperArc wrote:
To have the best SC he needs to complete his TvP. Until then, no it isnt the best ever YET. This is why JD is a beast, after the OSL final against Stork, hes never had a weak matchup anymore. but what he says is true. jaedong has no player that he is consistently weak against. flash on the other hand, has stork, best, jangbi. all protosses. What is wrong with you people? Do you watch the same starcraft everyone else does? You only consider Flash's TvP "weak" because it's not as inhuman as his TvZ and TvT is... how dare u defending flash and his tvp? how dare u? flash is consistently weak against every decent protoss like stork (8-11, winning 1 OSL title against him with 3-0), best (1-3) or jangbi (1-2). yes, i know. it's hard to face the truth, but: flash's tvp is just not good. in fact, it's bad. who was it who won on katrina when every other t got raped? which terran has the highest vp ELO until now? who won his OSL final 3-0 against stork while the overhyped fantasy lost 2--3? yes that is also flash, but you get my point: his 66% overall winning rate in tvp is nothing ok? if he ever gets to 62.7%like jaedong in zvt (who has no weak matchup since his first OSL title) ONLY THEN you can say his tvp is on par with his tvz/tvt
Yeah, Flash is seriously just a lucky ass player. He gets far in tourneys solely because he gets easy fucking draws. Like July's EVER OSL run but x1000. He's just a cheese turtler who goes BBS and then 3/3 200/200 push. And not only that but his opponents just park mutalisks over his mnm and do nothing. Not even shoot! It's no wonder Flash can kill zerg!
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United States3824 Posts
You made this thread exactly one year ago today!
That confused me when I was reading it.
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On January 02 2010 09:24 cgrinker wrote:
You made this thread exactly one year ago today!
That confused me when I was reading it.
4 == 2 now you heard it here
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On January 02 2010 09:13 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 08:37 Djin)ftw( wrote:On January 02 2010 06:29 Jayme wrote:On December 27 2009 10:45 nebffa wrote:On December 26 2009 02:14 SuperArc wrote:
To have the best SC he needs to complete his TvP. Until then, no it isnt the best ever YET. This is why JD is a beast, after the OSL final against Stork, hes never had a weak matchup anymore. but what he says is true. jaedong has no player that he is consistently weak against. flash on the other hand, has stork, best, jangbi. all protosses. What is wrong with you people? Do you watch the same starcraft everyone else does? You only consider Flash's TvP "weak" because it's not as inhuman as his TvZ and TvT is... how dare u defending flash and his tvp? how dare u? flash is consistently weak against every decent protoss like stork (8-11, winning 1 OSL title against him with 3-0), best (1-3) or jangbi (1-2). yes, i know. it's hard to face the truth, but: flash's tvp is just not good. in fact, it's bad. who was it who won on katrina when every other t got raped? which terran has the highest vp ELO until now? who won his OSL final 3-0 against stork while the overhyped fantasy lost 2--3? yes that is also flash, but you get my point: his 66% overall winning rate in tvp is nothing ok? if he ever gets to 62.7%like jaedong in zvt (who has no weak matchup since his first OSL title) ONLY THEN you can say his tvp is on par with his tvz/tvt Yeah, Flash is seriously just a lucky ass player. He gets far in tourneys solely because he gets easy fucking draws. Like July's EVER OSL run but x1000. He's just a cheese turtler who goes BBS and then 3/3 200/200 push. And not only that but his opponents just park mutalisks over his mnm and do nothing. Not even shoot! It's no wonder Flash can kill zerg!
Yeah, Flash is basically Neo-Casy with spiffy TvT.
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Flash made himself famous vs. Protoss because his fast upgraded Goliaths vs Carriers was considered revolutionary at a time where every Terran facepalmed to Carriers. Recently, I haven't watched Flash play that amazing against Protoss, but hopefully, his skill in TvT and TvZ is an indicator that his TvP has recently improved as well. And he had some new build" against Protoss that he's going to unveil someday.
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Progamers are known for being streaky.
The thing about Flash is that I find him even more streaky than most. He spends most of his time being a bit inconsistent, playing very well in general but dropping a lot of games he shouldn't drop. Then he will suddenly bust out with god-like play that blows away all the competition and makes you think "bonjwa." But he doesn't maintain it.
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