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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
December 12 2009 04:59 GMT
#461
Flash is should go for 2500!!!
Flash > JD in OSL?
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 12 2009 05:01 GMT
#462
flash might just peak 2400 at this level.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
December 12 2009 05:18 GMT
#463
On December 02 2009 08:15 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 08:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying Flash is more likely to lose to any zerg, RIGHT NOW, than Jaedong?


In SLs? I think so.

And I was talking about best vZ ELO ever which JD still has.

I have the November 14th ELO recorded on my computer (for a program), and Flash's vZ was higher than Jaedong's vZ then. There is no way that has changed at any point between 11/14 and now, including when you made your post.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
December 12 2009 05:21 GMT
#464
On December 12 2009 14:18 wswordsmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 08:15 SuperArc wrote:
On December 02 2009 08:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying Flash is more likely to lose to any zerg, RIGHT NOW, than Jaedong?


In SLs? I think so.

And I was talking about best vZ ELO ever which JD still has.

I have the November 14th ELO recorded on my computer (for a program), and Flash's vZ was higher than Jaedong's vZ then. There is no way that has changed at any point between 11/14 and now, including when you made your post.

"Best ever" to me means "highest peak" which is in fact Jaedong's.
NFL2368
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States112 Posts
December 12 2009 05:24 GMT
#465
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 12 2009 07:54 GMT
#466
On December 12 2009 14:24 NFL2368 wrote:
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.


lol thats why ZvZ was called a rock-paper-scissor mu for 7 years right?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 12 2009 07:58 GMT
#467
On December 12 2009 14:24 NFL2368 wrote:
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.


Well one can argue it is even easier to dominate non-mirror matchup given the ''racial imbalance''
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 12 2009 08:00 GMT
#468
On December 12 2009 16:58 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 14:24 NFL2368 wrote:
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.


Well one can argue it is even easier to dominate non-mirror matchup given the ''racial imbalance''


Map imbalance is more predominant than racial imbalance, and while maps may, overall, favor one race over the other, it still makes dominating really hard if you EVER come upon a few maps that are horribly skewed against you.
Remember Violet.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 08:09:46
December 12 2009 08:09 GMT
#469
On December 12 2009 14:18 wswordsmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 08:15 SuperArc wrote:
On December 02 2009 08:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
So you're saying Flash is more likely to lose to any zerg, RIGHT NOW, than Jaedong?


In SLs? I think so.

And I was talking about best vZ ELO ever which JD still has.

I have the November 14th ELO recorded on my computer (for a program), and Flash's vZ was higher than Jaedong's vZ then. There is no way that has changed at any point between 11/14 and now, including when you made your post.


Best vZ ELO ever. As in JD still holds the record for the highest vZ ELO ever achieved. Not sure what you were thinking in your post...

On December 12 2009 17:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 16:58 Jakalo wrote:
On December 12 2009 14:24 NFL2368 wrote:
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.


Well one can argue it is even easier to dominate non-mirror matchup given the ''racial imbalance''


Map imbalance is more predominant than racial imbalance, and while maps may, overall, favor one race over the other, it still makes dominating really hard if you EVER come upon a few maps that are horribly skewed against you.


savior
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 12 2009 08:17 GMT
#470
That's not really pertinent at all. Savior didn't dominate on imbalanced maps, he struggled and overcame on them. Going 3-2 twice while being the best player in the world is actually a lot less dominating than you'd expect!
Remember Violet.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6184 Posts
December 12 2009 08:37 GMT
#471
oh my god flash's match list looks impressive.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 12 2009 08:40 GMT
#472
On December 12 2009 17:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 16:58 Jakalo wrote:
On December 12 2009 14:24 NFL2368 wrote:
It's really hard to dominate a nonmirror matchup like a mirror matchup though

Since there's so many variables involved.


Well one can argue it is even easier to dominate non-mirror matchup given the ''racial imbalance''


Map imbalance is more predominant than racial imbalance, and while maps may, overall, favor one race over the other, it still makes dominating really hard if you EVER come upon a few maps that are horribly skewed against you.


Yes maps should be taken into account too, but maps change and imbalanced usually faster than more balanced ones.
''Racial imbalance'' is permanent. And imagine you get favourable maps in addition to that, doesnt that helps you reach higher ELO even more.
P.S. Im not trying to diminish Flashs accomplishments being rabid fanboy I am.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 12 2009 08:42 GMT
#473
Lets go terran pride~

Flash #1!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 12 2009 08:46 GMT
#474
Elo points are ridiculously hard to get at this point for Flash...he gets like 3 points per average player win, but loses 15 points for losing to someone as good as Stork. If he fumbled a random game to an average player he'd probably take like a 30 point Elo hit.

2400 probably isn't ever happening...even if he 2-0'd ZerO and Jaedong back to back in MSL and OSL (not likely), and won his game in a couple days against HyuN, he'd still only be at around 2390.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 12 2009 11:27 GMT
#475
Flash will break 2400 if he 2-0's the very hot Jaedong and Zero combo, on top of winning all his PL games. He gets 3 points from the likes of Frozean and Savior, Jaedong and Zero are both worth upwards of 5 points to him, I believe.
Remember Violet.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 12 2009 19:59 GMT
#476
Flash is a beast, wow.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
December 12 2009 20:51 GMT
#477
so many weird and futile debates
how can anyone ask that question is jaedong likely to lose zerg more than flash
well thats tvz and thats zvz
u cant generelize and say he is the best vz cause there are 3 matches of vz
zvz tvz and pvz...... if u want to generelize i dont think flash will get to 2340 of jaedong zvz elo
and he allready broke the record for tvz elo
anyway flash is showing us some incredible performance that demonstrates how strong he is
he just doesnt lose !!!!
he may lose to jaedong and maybe a game to zero (probably not) but one thing he allmost never does was not losing to worse players
he keeps doing it , its just no one is better than him right now (few maybe on the same level )
thats why we see a long streak of wins and no silly loses while in other s class u see the occasional lose here and there that ruins a nice streak
go flash and go 2400 elo !!!
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 12 2009 21:56 GMT
#478
Just to see how Flash is ridiculously good compare his performance with any other T player.

vZ: Flash 2300, next highest current Elo: Midas (wtf?!) 2191
Comment: Midas hrardly plays these days. Where are the other "big" T names? Next is Sea with 2169. That's almost 150 Elo points behind :O

vT: Flash 2296, next highest current Elo: Fantasy 2169.
Comment: Again over 100 points behind...

vP: Flash 2186. next highest current Elo: 2161

So we see that Flash is a level above any T player these days.

Not to mention that his play just looks ridiculous good these days. He is sth like 21-2 in last 23 games...

I hope he will continue like this. Obviously matches against Jaedong and Zero will be a big test for him. Both are really good (Zero has been pretty hot recently, and Jaedong is just Jaedong). I really hope for some amazing game there.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51711 Posts
December 12 2009 21:57 GMT
#479
midas was literally a beast tvz until a man named ma jaeyoon ruined his life.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-12 22:10:43
December 12 2009 22:09 GMT
#480
On December 13 2009 06:57 GTR wrote:
midas was literally a beast tvz until a man named ma jaeyoon ruined his life.


I know,but it was years before... These days sadly enough he isn't doing that well anymore... I was actually shocked to see that he has still 2nd highest TvZ elo while he hasn't been playing much and doing quite poorly before...
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