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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 07:28:28
December 16 2008 10:27 GMT
#1
SK Telecom T1
Matches 16
Set1 10-6
Set2 9-7
Set3 4-12
Set4 7-9
Ace 6-4
Games: 74

Notes: SKT1 seems to bring their strongest players first two sets and then sucks at rest of sets. Goes Ace match too many times.


Samsung KHAN
Matches 15
Set1 9-6
Set2 8-7
Set3 8-7
Set4 9-4
Ace 5-4
Games: 67

Notes: Very stable distribution of players per set.


OnGameNet SPARKYZ
Matches 16
Set1 9-7
Set2 10-6
Set3 10-6
Set4 4-10
Ace 7-4
Games: 73

Notes: Seems like they lack good Set4 player, but has good ACE match player.


Lecaf Oz
Matches 14
Set1 6-8
Set2 6-8
Set3 11-3
Set4 6-5
Ace 4-2
Games: 59

Notes: Choking at first 2 sets but rest sets are more likely to win than lose.


KTF MagicNs
Matches 17
Set1 9-8
Set2 6-11
Set3 7-10
Set4 9-4
Ace 3-4
Games: 71

Notes: Strong Set4 player, rest are slight good and bad.


eSTRO
Matches 16
Set1 6-10
Set2 11-5
Set3 8-8
Set4 6-7
Ace 4-7
Games: 72

Notes: Strong Set2 player but their Set1 guy needs more cheering.


Woongjin Stars
Matches 16
Set1 7-9
Set2 5-11
Set3 11-5
Set4 8-5
Ace 3-3
Games: 67

Notes: Poor Set2 player but strong Set3, Set4 players.


WeMade FOX
Matches 16
Set1 7-9
Set2 6-10
Set3 9-7
Set4 6-7
Ace 3-4
Games: 68

Notes: Mediocre stats.


MBCGame HERO
Matches 15
Set1 11-4
Set2 10-5
Set3 5-10
Set4 8-5
Ace 4-5
Games: 67

Notes: Very good opener player and Set2 is good too, then suddenly Set3 needs more cheering.


STX SouL
Matches 17
Set1 6-11
Set2 9-8
Set3 12-5
Set4 7-7
Ace 7-5
Games: 77

Notes: Weak Set1 but strong Set3 player, rest are pretty good.


CJ Entus
Matches 15
Set1 10-5
Set2 10-5
Set3 6-9
Set4 3-8
Ace 2-3
Games: 61

Notes: Strong opener but then chokes.


Air Force ACE
Matches 17
Set1 5-12
Set2 5-12
Set3 4-13
Set4 4-6
Ace 0-3
Games: 64

Notes: Its ACE, they choke every set


Total games: 410
Updated 17.12.2008 (KHAN vs Stars)
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 16 2008 11:03 GMT
#2
i think the maps have something to do with the ordering. they dont just arbitrarily make a lineup and say you are 1, you are 2, regardless of map. so yes, these are pretty useless.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 11:34:45
December 16 2008 11:20 GMT
#3
On December 16 2008 20:03 29 fps wrote:
i think the maps have something to do with the ordering. they dont just arbitrarily make a lineup and say you are 1, you are 2, regardless of map. so yes, these are pretty useless.


Yeh, but it shows that team players do better if they are Set1 or Set2 regardless of maps. Kinda like if Sea loses Set3 but wins Set1 both having same map.

edit: Maps aren't same spot always, its kinda how team players sees the pressure as playing first set or 3rd etc.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 16 2008 11:24 GMT
#4
goddamn OGN is on fire.
dats racist
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
December 16 2008 11:42 GMT
#5
wtf...
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 16 2008 11:45 GMT
#6
I think there's going to be too much variance, BUT I really enjoyed looking at these numbers
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 16 2008 11:45 GMT
#7
lol cool stats
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 11:57:38
December 16 2008 11:55 GMT
#8
Predictions based on these stats:

Lecaf Oz vs KTF MagicNs
Game 1: (T)fOrGG < Medusa > (Z)[b]Luxury[/b]
Game 2: (Z)[b]Jaedong[/b] < Destination > (T)Flash (this is pretty even Lecaf Oz having slightly better Set2)
Game 3: (P)[b]Young[/b] < Neo Requiem > (P)Stats
Game 4: (P)BackHo < Colosseum II > (T)[b]SaiR[/b]
Closer: < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (If goes Ace match Lecaf is most likely to win)

Samsung KHAN vs Woongjin Stars
Game 1: (P)[b]Stork[/b] < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (Z)GGPlay
Game 2: (Z)[b]great[/b] < Andromeda > (P)free[gm]
Game 3: (Z)oDin < Rush Hour III > (T)[b]MVP[/b]
Game 4: (T)firebathero < Destination > (Z)[b]ZerO[/b] (could go either way, both having strong Set4)
Closer: < Neo Harmony > (if goes to Ace match Woongjin is slight favourite)

MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 16 2008 12:01 GMT
#9
On December 16 2008 20:55 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Predictions based on these stats:

Lecaf Oz vs KTF MagicNs
Game 1: (T)fOrGG < Medusa > (Z)[b]Luxury[/b]
Game 2: (Z)[b]Jaedong[/b] < Destination > (T)Flash (this is pretty even Lecaf Oz having slightly better Set2)
Game 3: (P)[b]Young[/b] < Neo Requiem > (P)Stats
Game 4: (P)BackHo < Colosseum II > (T)[b]SaiR[/b]
Closer: < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (If goes Ace match Lecaf is most likely to win)

wow honestly that is exactly how I think will really happen.
dats racist
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 16 2008 12:02 GMT
#10
And there is some logic for example Set3, its either Rush Hour 3 or Neo Requiem. So whoever has weak Set3, they don't handle old school maps that well.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 16 2008 12:21 GMT
#11
looks good other than Great over Free, but even that one has a darkhorse chance of happening.

Good stuff, this is actually really fun to look at.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 16 2008 12:28 GMT
#12
On December 16 2008 21:21 thedeadhaji wrote:
looks good other than Great over Free, but even that one has a darkhorse chance of happening.

Good stuff, this is actually really fun to look at.


Yeh these stats are always interesting. About Great vs Free, this could be close match as its Andromeda. Yeh have to see what happens.

Obviously sometimes players has to lose or win to keep up the stats
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
December 16 2008 12:47 GMT
#13
Most of lecaf's strong set 3 was from jaedong bashing Z skulls during first part of this proleague iirc.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
December 16 2008 13:07 GMT
#14
i find the ace stats not so "useless"


damn ace
Studying Chinese~
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 16 2008 13:22 GMT
#15
Unless I'm wrong, but aren't maps randomly picked? I'm sure teams choose players based on maps rather than position in the system. No point, for example, to have Flash always in the first 3 slots only to put a scrub for the 4th game.

I would like to see map distribution and player usage though.
Meh
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 16 2008 16:38 GMT
#16
bump
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 16 2008 16:52 GMT
#17
the KTF one makes alot of sense because the coach usually puts Lux and Flash 1st Set or 4th set regardless of map

Hence the reason why KTF has some 0:3s >.>
dats racist
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
December 16 2008 17:11 GMT
#18
On December 17 2008 01:52 MrHoon wrote:
the KTF one makes alot of sense because the coach usually puts Lux and Flash 1st Set or 4th set regardless of map

Hence the reason why KTF has some 0:3s >.>


Dammit, I was just about to say this. Flash is almost always fourth...it's the first thing I thought of when I saw the KTF list.
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 16 2008 17:17 GMT
#19
I would not consider these useless at all.

I wonder if the proggaming teams get these stats as well, it might help them to check on why are their players performing so good at the beginning and then at the middle/end of the CW always choke or have problems.

Pretty interesting to see CJ and MBC having so good starters and then choking on the 3rd/4th and 5th set .

Is this for this ProLeague season? (I mean, this is having 2v2 out of the context?)
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 16 2008 18:06 GMT
#20
On December 17 2008 02:17 funkie wrote:
I would not consider these useless at all.

I wonder if the proggaming teams get these stats as well, it might help them to check on why are their players performing so good at the beginning and then at the middle/end of the CW always choke or have problems.

Pretty interesting to see CJ and MBC having so good starters and then choking on the 3rd/4th and 5th set .

Is this for this ProLeague season? (I mean, this is having 2v2 out of the context?)


Proleague 08-09 all games played so far, latest MBC vs ACE included.
onihunter
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States515 Posts
December 17 2008 00:19 GMT
#21
I would say that the order of the maps matters more than the amount of pressure the player is feeling.
jaedong forever~
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
December 17 2008 00:20 GMT
#22
Stats are never uselss
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
December 17 2008 00:21 GMT
#23
On December 17 2008 09:20 IzzyCraft wrote:
(P)Stats is never uselss


fixed
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 00:22:46
December 17 2008 00:22 GMT
#24
On December 16 2008 19:27 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Air Force ACE
Matches 17
Set1 5-12
Set2 5-12
Set3 4-13
Set4 4-6
Ace 0-3
Games: 64

Notes: Its ACE, they choke every set


I was kind of waiting for this. Don't worry... Anytime and Mantoss will overpower, and they will soon be #1!


Lol at above.
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
December 17 2008 02:14 GMT
#25
I don't think these provide too much insight into the teams considering players are mostly sent out by maps, not Set #.

I think if you did team records by map it would be alot more interesting.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 17 2008 02:21 GMT
#26
KTF always sends out Lux or Flash for game 4. Nice compilation.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 07:30:07
December 17 2008 06:11 GMT
#27
On December 16 2008 20:55 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Predictions based on these stats:

Lecaf Oz vs KTF MagicNs
Game 1: (T)fOrGG < Medusa > (Z)[b]Luxury[/b]
Game 2: (Z)[b]Jaedong[/b] < Destination > (T)Flash (this is pretty even Lecaf Oz having slightly better Set2)
Game 3: (P)[b]Young[/b] < Neo Requiem > (P)Stats
Game 4: (P)BackHo < Colosseum II > (T)[b]SaiR[/b]
Closer: < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (If goes Ace match Lecaf is most likely to win)

Samsung KHAN vs Woongjin Stars
Game 1: (P)[b]Stork[/b] < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (Z)GGPlay
Game 2: (Z)[b]great[/b] < Andromeda > (P)free[gm]
Game 3: (Z)oDin < Rush Hour III > (T)[b]MVP[/b]
Game 4: (T)firebathero < Destination > (Z)[b]ZerO[/b] (could go either way, both having strong Set4)
Closer: < Neo Harmony > (if goes to Ace match Woongjin is slight favourite)



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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 06:46:37
December 17 2008 06:41 GMT
#28

GANDHISAUCE
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
December 17 2008 06:57 GMT
#29
Notes: Its ACE, they choke every set

LOL
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
December 17 2008 07:49 GMT
#30
find it really weird skt has played the max number of non-ace games
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 17 2008 12:59 GMT
#31
On December 17 2008 16:49 Tropics wrote:
find it really weird skt has played the max number of non-ace games


Hah because their zergs were weak first part of this season.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-18 20:30:46
December 18 2008 20:30 GMT
#32
Predictions (which some case is clearly weird but statistics is statistics)

12/20/08

Lecaf Oz vs OnGameNet SPARKYZ(on OGN)
(Z)(Z)Jaedong vs (Z)(Z)Clay on Destination (OGN to win)
(P)(P)BackHo vs (P)(P)Chalrenge on Medusa (OGN to win)
(T)(T)fOrGG vs (T)(T)Leta on Rush Hour 3 (Lecaf to win)
(T)(T)HiyA vs (Z)(Z)YellOw[ArnC] on Andromeda (Lecaf to win)
Final Match on Neo Harmony (OGN to win)

Samsung KHAN vs SK Telecom T1(on MBC)
(P)(P)JangBi vs (T)fantasy on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (SKT1 to win)
(Z)(Z)Hades vs (Z)(Z)Hyuk on Medusa (SKT1 to win)
(P)(P)Stork vs (P)(P)Bisu on Neo Requiem (KHAN to win)
(T)(T)firebathero vs (P)(P)BeSt on Destination (KHAN to win)
Final Match on Colosseum II (SKT1 to win)

12/21/08

WeMade FOX vs CJ Entus(on OGN)
(T)(T)BaBy vs (Z)(Z)sAviOr on New Neo Harmony (CJ to win)
(P)(P)Pure vs (T)(T)sKyHigh on Colosseum II (CJ to win)
(Z)(Z)keke vs (Z)(Z)EffOrt on Rush Hour 3 (WeMade to win)
(Z)(Z)Shine[Kal][/tlpd] vs (P)(P)Movie on Medusa (WeMade to win)
Final Match on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (WeMade to win)

eSTRO vs MBCGame HERO(on MBC)
(T)(T)Really vs (Z)(Z)Saint on Medusa (MBC to win)
(P)(P)SangHo vs (P)(P)Pusan on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (eSTRO to win)
(Z)(Z)hyvaa vs (P)(P)Jaehoon on Neo Requiem (eSTRO to win)
(P)(P)Tester vs (T)(T)Light on Neo Harmony (MBC to win)
Final Match on Andromeda (MBC to win)

12/22/08

Air Force ACE vs KTF MagicNs(on OGN)
(P)(P)Anytime vs (T)(T)Flash on Andromeda (KTF to win)
(T)(T)Casy vs (T)(T)SaiR on Neo Harmony (KTF to win)
(P)(P)Rage vs (P)(P)Violet on Neo Requiem (KTF to win)
(Z)(Z)MuMyung vs (Z)(Z)FireFist on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (KTF to win)
Final Match on Destination (KTF to win)

STX SouL vs Woongjin Stars(on MBC)
(Z)(Z)July vs (Z)(Z)GGPlay on Neo Harmony (Stars to win)
(T)(T)Notice vs (P)(P)GuemChi on Colosseum II (STX to win)
(T)(T)Hwasin vs (T)(T)PianO on Rush Hour 3 (STX to win)
(P)(P)Kal vs free on Medusa (Stars to win) (Stars to win)
Final Match on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (STX to win)

12/23/08

Lecaf Oz vs SK Telecom T1(on OGN)
(T)(T)HiyA vs (P)(P)BeSt on Andromeda (SKT1 to win)
(T)(T)fOrGG vs (Z)(Z)Hyuk on Neo Harmony (SKT1 to win)
(P)(P)Young vs (P)(P)Bisu on Neo Requiem (Lecaf to win)
(Z)(Z)Jaedong vs (T)fantasy on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (Lecaf to win)
Final Match on Destination (Lecaf to win)

Samsung KHAN vs OnGameNet SPARKYZ(on MBC)
(Z)(Z)Juni vs (Z)(Z)type-b on Colosseum II (KHAN to win)
(P)(P)Stork vs (P)(P)HakSoo on Neo Harmony (OGN to win)
(T)(T)firebathero vs (Z)(Z)YellOw[ArnC] on Rush Hour 3 (OGN to win)
(T)(T)FrOzean vs (T)(T)Leta on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (KHAN to win)
FinalMatch on Destination (OGN to win)

12/24/08

eSTRO vs CJ Entus(on OGN)
(T)(T)UpMagiC vs (Z)(Z)EffOrt on Medusa (CJ to win)
(T)(T)Really vs (T)(T)sKyHigh on Destination (eSTRO to win)
(Z)(Z)hyvaa vs (P)(P)Movie on Neo Requiem (eSTRO to win)
(P)(P)SangHo vs (T)(T)Iris on Colosseum II (eSTRO to win)
Final Match on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (CJ to win)

WeMade FOX vs MBCGame HERO(on MBC)
(T)(T)Mind vs (T)(T)Light on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (MBC to win)
(Z)(Z)RorO vs (Z)(Z)Shark on Andromeda (MBC to win)
(T)(T)NaDa vs (T)(T)Sea on Rush Hour 3 (MBC to win)
(P)(P)HerO vs (P)(P)Pusan on Destination (WeMade to win)
Final Match on Neo Harmony (MBC to win)
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