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On December 07 2008 08:23 inReacH wrote:
Doing this is passive.. it's not like it takes time away from other things..
After 4 days I can already competently play SC and WC.. I'm not as fast but I will be very soon.
Also in your first paragraph you again talk about possible problems as though you cannot think it out and determine if that will be the case. Anyways there are already left handed progamers currently without custom keys playing on the brutal default settings..
But seriously you talk about problems like they are this mythic thing that will suddenly come out of nowhere.. don't ever aspire to become a scientist.
Lol what is with this attitude dude? That's like the 3rd time you've taken a personal shot at me because I pointed out a fault of your idea.
There's a reason there's such a thing called UNFORESEEN PROBLEMS. Because you don't fucking forsee them. I shouldn't become a scientist? What are you fucking talking about. Are you seriously not even open to the idea that upon further use of this setup you may run into some problems you didn't even think of? I'm not suggesting that a warp gate to another dimension will open up in your bedroom because you use the keyboard a different way, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, it will be harder to do other things in the game.
You come up with an idea quoting a mechanic used in WC3, but do anyone WC3 players use this? Don't you think if it was really that good of an idea, someone would have done it in that game.
Next time you are facing critcism of an idea, don't lash out at the people doing it, it just makes you look like an asshole.
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Your posts just seem quite poorly thought out, as though someone who is already pro can afford to handicap themselves at that time.
How you use your keyboard is a foundation, before the game is released is the only time decisions like this can be made.
Sorry if I got too personal but it's v frusterating.
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On December 08 2008 07:48 inReacH wrote:
Your posts just seem quite poorly thought out, as though someone who is already pro can afford to handicap themselves at that time.
How you use your keyboard is a foundation, before the game is released is the only time decisions like this can be made.
Sorry if I got too personal but it's v frusterating.
lol wut. You are going to decide the foundation of the game before it is release? Well, Blizzard decided the foundation of TvP before it was released and you know what that was? Biomech.
That's what happens when you decide the foundation of something before it has even been played on a large scale. You are really just taking personal shots at people criticizing you in a theorycrafting thread with no real valid base.
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On December 08 2008 08:00 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 07:48 inReacH wrote:
Your posts just seem quite poorly thought out, as though someone who is already pro can afford to handicap themselves at that time.
How you use your keyboard is a foundation, before the game is released is the only time decisions like this can be made.
Sorry if I got too personal but it's v frusterating. lol wut. You are going to decide the foundation of the game before it is release? Well, Blizzard decided the foundation of TvP before it was released and you know what that was? Biomech. That's what happens when you decide the foundation of something before it has even been played on a large scale. You are really just taking personal shots at people criticizing you in a theorycrafting thread with no real valid base.
ahahaha ok
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On December 08 2008 07:48 inReacH wrote:
Your posts just seem quite poorly thought out, as though someone who is already pro can afford to handicap themselves at that time.
How you use your keyboard is a foundation, before the game is released is the only time decisions like this can be made.
Sorry if I got too personal but it's v frusterating.
For the 5th time. My point was that there are so many other things that people can improve on without the stress of relearning to use the mouse/keyboard, it seems like too much trouble. My point wasn't that a pro could afford to handicap himself, it was that I think this would only be a realistic way to improve if the only thing holding them back was the way they use the keyboard/mouse.
It's like, why go take lessons from Roger Federer if you are a beginning tennis player, when you would gain just as much just learning and improving the basics of your game from some local instructor. It just seems like overkill.
It would take a really dedicated person to do this specifically for starcraft, maybe 2-3 weeks at the shortest to get back around to the same level of proficiency with the mouse as before. And I'd argue you could improve your SC game more by spending those 2-3 weeks getting down to the nitty gritty details in your BOs and just general mechanics.
Sorry if I seemed lazy by saying there may be unforeseen problems with this, but I didn't really rack my brain thinking of possible ways this would be a detriment. But you really never know all the possible problems with something until you try it extensively. For all I know 3-4 months from now this will be fantastic for you. And for all you know in that same time you could find it very irritating to use.
For example, I just tried holding my hands that way for a few seconds. Do you find it annoying to use the 5-0 hotkeys with your pinky? If I recall one of the main reasons of doing this was to have your stronger fingers around the more used keys.
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On December 08 2008 13:40 lgdDante wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 07:48 inReacH wrote:
Your posts just seem quite poorly thought out, as though someone who is already pro can afford to handicap themselves at that time.
How you use your keyboard is a foundation, before the game is released is the only time decisions like this can be made.
Sorry if I got too personal but it's v frusterating. For the 5th time. My point was that there are so many other things that people can improve on without the stress of relearning to use the mouse/keyboard, it seems like too much trouble. My point wasn't that a pro could afford to handicap himself, it was that I think this would only be a realistic way to improve if the only thing holding them back was the way they use the keyboard/mouse. It's like, why go take lessons from Roger Federer if you are a beginning tennis player, when you would gain just as much just learning and improving the basics of your game from some local instructor. It just seems like overkill. It would take a really dedicated person to do this specifically for starcraft, maybe 2-3 weeks at the shortest to get back around to the same level of proficiency with the mouse as before. And I'd argue you could improve your SC game more by spending those 2-3 weeks getting down to the nitty gritty details in your BOs and just general mechanics. Sorry if I seemed lazy by saying there may be unforeseen problems with this, but I didn't really rack my brain thinking of possible ways this would be a detriment. But you really never know all the possible problems with something until you try it extensively. For all I know 3-4 months from now this will be fantastic for you. And for all you know in that same time you could find it very irritating to use. For example, I just tried holding my hands that way for a few seconds. Do you find it annoying to use the 5-0 hotkeys with your pinky? If I recall one of the main reasons of doing this was to have your stronger fingers around the more used keys.
It's not stressful it's fun and challenging and really satisfying to redo something a different way because you learn so much faster.
It's not just a way to improve it's a fundamental thing that once is overcome will make learning everything else easier.
Your tennis analogy is pretty poor.. a better one would be if Tennis 2 was coming out in 4 months and for some reason it was better to hold the racquet with your other hand and it takes by your account 2-3 weeks to learn it (though it will take a bit more) will it be worth it considering it will make learning and doing 50% of your game easier for the rest of your entire tennis career, would it be worth it? Again it's been only 5 days and I can already focus completely on my BO's or whatever because this change doesnt require focus, IT IS PASSIVE.
And FYI you won't need more than 5 numeral hotkeys for SC2
1units 2units 3 prod buildings 4 CC 5 tech buildings.
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On December 07 2008 02:32 SnowFalling wrote:1a2a3a shouldnt be hard to reach for all the toss players out there 
FUCKGSHFSDFIHJSRFOJFDF
please don't.... it got old way too long ago. if I were a mod i would be temp banning for this shit -_-
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On December 08 2008 15:34 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2008 02:32 SnowFalling wrote:1a2a3a shouldnt be hard to reach for all the toss players out there FUCKGSHFSDFIHJSRFOJFDF please don't.... it got old way too long ago. if I were a mod i would be temp banning for this shit -_-
TRUTH
It was never funny, the saddest thing is half of them don't know it's a joke and use it as an excuse when they lose to protoss.
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On December 08 2008 04:33 RaGe wrote:
if you're removing hindering keys, make sure to remove F1 too. It's one of the most mishit keys (if you use location hotkeys/want to cancel something using escape you can easily touch it)
on topic: you're going too far imo
I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't add useful functionality to F1 in SC2, also I play some WC3 still so I need it there.
Also.. no jokes.. I like many others was sloppy with the F keys with my left hand but they are much easier to push when you KB with your right hand.
As for going to far.. I quit my job to practice for a game that isn't out yet and will be playing like 100 hours a week of sc2 so compared to those this is really nothing.
Definitely true that if I wasn't going all in in many other ways that there would be no point in this change. Thanks for posting though you are probably right..
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All this is good, and I have been using a left handed mouse for years now, but I think I read an article talking about how progamers weren't allowed to remap their keys in matchups, I don't know if that is correct, I could use a confirmation on that.
Also, are there any left handed progamers out there right now? And is playing left handed really considered a blessing in regards to keymapping? I would love to know since I can't really see myself switching to playing right handed.
Also since StarCraft 2 will support remappable keys, will proleagues allow customized keybindings in competitive play? Either post or PM me if you know!
Thanks!
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