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most old school pros have stopped playing though
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United States3824 Posts
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years
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9070 Posts
Amazing observation about NaDa, never even came to my mind, I thought he was just a chump with a few badges
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MrHoon
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OMG NO WAI DUDE NADA IS CONSISTENT??!?!?!?!
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This thread is not worthy of NaDa. Do a proper write up, or don't do it at all.
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 NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3.
Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent).
If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
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July is still the most stable progamer.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances. If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
what
boxer and oov have had good recent performances?
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fuk yeah!
oov for his part in front and behind the scene, man's making news all the time
and boxer for his "showing up," yeah, that's boxer, he just needs to show up. When he doesn't, it's "Where's Boxer? Turn it offfff, Boxer's not on~~"
Look, as long as SC/progaming is alive, boxer's relevant.
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On November 11 2008 05:17 nK)Duke wrote:
July is still the most stable progamer.
UNSTABLE you mean T_T his performance ranges so much year to year. I'd say someone like Anytime or GGplay whos performance has always been about the same.Yanrc is also who who doesn't seem to perform well but it always ranked etc. I would also consider Sea stable. Frankly anyone that breaks 50% win ratio without winning anything big is stable performance cause that means they lack a dominance streak to inflate their % like Nada and Savior have.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
I agree with stork being pretty goddamn stable/consistent.
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I would say Stork is a pretty solid progamer. He always makes it pretty high up there in tourneys
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That's pretty impressive, but you have to realize that there are many other gamers who have consistently not been in the top 20 of KeSPA, and that they deserve credit too. There are hundreds of progamers who have not won anything significant year after year, without ever having gotten any recognition for it. Stability isn't easy, it takes effort and dedication.
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I think July is a player who can become incredibly hot when he really wants something (Like a golden mouse).
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On November 11 2008 05:13 cgrinker wrote:
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years
Moon makes $25,000 per month which equates to $300,000 per year from what I've heard.
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In a real fight between nada and july, there's not a slightly chance that nada would win.
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Stable =/= wins titles. July did nothing for a year and a half. Stork has only been around for like 3 or 4 years. Nada is the only player that can be counted on to consistently have a fighting chance in every single match he plays.
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I agree that Nada is more stable. He does appear a lot in Starleagues. He has appeared in all Starleagues in 2008 with the exception of Bacchus OSL
2008 EVER OnGameNet Starleague Ro16
2008 Incruit OnGameNet Starleague Ro36(I'll consider the Ro36 part of the OSL since thats what TLPD says  )
2008 GOMTV MBCGame Starleague Season 4 Ro8
2008 Arena MBCGame Starleague Ro16
2008 ClubDay MBCGame Starleague Ro8
If MSL rules stay the same, Nada will then be seeded to the next MSL's Ro32 
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United States3824 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:17 nK)Duke wrote:
July is still the most stable progamer.
I mean metaphorically not ability to stay rooted to the ground.
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On November 11 2008 05:41 nK)Duke wrote:
In a real fight between nada and july, there's not a slightly chance that nada would win.
NaDa isn't skinny like he used to be, he's been on a weight-gaining/muscle-building program for around 2 years now. He would fuck July's shit up REAL bad
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:41 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:13 cgrinker wrote:
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years Moon makes $25,000 per month which equates to $300,000 per year from what I've heard.
Salaries of progamers (can't verify the accuracy, but I suppose the numbers are still worth having):
http://weemee.com/weemee/issue/2
Keep in mind that these are salaries and don't take into account tournament winnings.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:
Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest.
Fucking loled.
wtf man ?
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wow Nada stomps on the rest... Shizzz He makes bank for playing sc...
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I'd have to agree that NaDa is indeed the most stable. To be playing for that long and relatively consistently show your face in top 16's is pretty impressive in my book.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
You talk about Shinhan 3 like it was ages ago. Honestly, in the history of a 10-year-old game, a year and a half isn't that long.
Stork's been consistent in his time, yes. How long has that been? He got his first silver in GOM MSL 2, which was barely more than a year ago. Stork being consistent for a year =/= Nada consistent for 5-6 years.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:54 cgrinker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:17 nK)Duke wrote:
July is still the most stable progamer. I mean metaphorically not ability to stay rooted to the ground.
Hahaha
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United States17042 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:41 nK)Duke wrote:
In a real fight between nada and july, there's not a slightly chance that nada would win.
TLPD says that nada has only lost twice out of the 10 total matches that they've had.
I think that nada is the most consistent every single season. Stork is also pretty good as well
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On November 11 2008 05:41 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:13 cgrinker wrote:
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years Moon makes $25,000 per month which equates to $300,000 per year from what I've heard.
??? I was told he was the highest paid WC3 player at $10,000 a month. Is this $25,000 averaging out his prize money throughout the year as well?
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
If you call nothing making it to the ro8 in the MSL, ok Nada has done nothing.
It is quite clear that Nada is still a very strong player, though free crushed him handily. How the hell is Oov relevent? He is RETIRED. July is slumping again. Savior is not in any leagues except for the GSL and is probably about to get knocked out of it by free. Boxer?? He has been losing to scrubs. Nada has been performing and performing and still performing, just check his recent games. Nada has losses, but many are to good players. When Nada faces people like Sangho, he usually wins.
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On November 11 2008 05:13 disciple wrote:
Amazing observation about NaDa, never even came to my mind, I thought he was just a chump with a few badges
LOL, good one! 
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On November 11 2008 05:38 Athos wrote:
I think July is a player who can become incredibly hot when he really wants something (Like a golden mouse).
or a twinkie
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iloveoov = 73 OSL matches
Reach = 103 OSL matches
NaDa = 108 OSL matches
July = 117 OSL matches
Boxer = 132 OSL matches
Yellow = 134 OSL matches
Conclusion: Yellow is the most stable progamer ;O!!
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United States47024 Posts
You really have to take in the amount of time that Nada's been around for this to seem impressive. His Starleague success began in 2002, so he's been consistently making (and doing well in) Starleagues for 6 years. Compare with other progamers:
Stork - first Starleague silver in 2007, around a little more than a year
Savior - first Starleague gold in 2005, 3 years
July - first Starleague gold in 2004, 4 years
iloveoov - first Starleague gold in 2003, retired in early 2008, 4 years
The only long-time "consistent" progamer that's been around longer than Nada is Boxer, and these days, its undeniable that Nada has been doing significantly better than Boxer in individual leagues.
On November 11 2008 06:22 Guybrush wrote:
iloveoov = 73 OSL matches
Reach = 103 OSL matches
NaDa = 108 OSL matches
July = 117 OSL matches
Boxer = 132 OSL matches
Yellow = 134 OSL matches
Conclusion: Yellow is the most stable progamer ;O!!
Nah, it just means that Yellow's lost more key Bo5s 2-3, while monster Terran, Mantoss, and NaDa have dominated more opponents 3-0.
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On November 11 2008 05:35 Racenilatr wrote:
I would say Stork is a pretty solid progamer. He always makes it pretty high up there in tourneys
When I read the thread title I was actaully expecting this to be about Stork, not Nada. I figured Nada would of dropped out of top 20 at some point over the years, guess I am worng.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On November 11 2008 06:24 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:35 Racenilatr wrote:
I would say Stork is a pretty solid progamer. He always makes it pretty high up there in tourneys When I read the thread title I was actaully expecting this to be about Stork, not Nada. I figured Nada would of dropped out of top 20 at some point over the years, guess I am worng.
Yes, you are wrong. I checked all rankings.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
Even in making finals Strok loses to NaDa.
NaDa made 4 OSL finals appearences and 6 MSL finals appearences = 10 finals in 6 years.
Stork made only 3 OSL finals and 1 MSL finals = 4 finals in 3 years. Even if you double this number to get 6 years of progaming as NaDa you will get only 8 finals.
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United States2186 Posts
I really don't see how this can be argued. Nada has the best mental strength of any pro ever and nobody even comes close to him in consistency. oov and Savior were not examples of consistency, they were the dominant ones (Nada was #3/4). I don't particularly like him because he's boring, but he has been an iconic Terran leader in so many different generations you can't possibly ignore him.
July has nothing on Nada. Golden mouse and a KTF championship is good but Nada has double the starleague titles, more second places, and more other random tourney victories, (Ghem, Chinese tourneys, some I'm forgetting. His TLPD has 17 top 3 finishes not including the foreign tournies. wow). July is still only 4th most accomplished player anyways, behind oov and then Savior.
oov is still relevant cause he's owning as coach and July did just win EVER 08. Savior did win Blizzcon against mediocre competition (Nada lol). Only Boxer is truly not doing anything this year, but that will all change in December.
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How are you all forgetting Rock? He consistently sucks. He also consistently makes it into the OSL and then consistently fails.
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Stork has been a consistent top 4 finisher i guess, he's really just consistency at such a high high level. plus he's amazing in proleague too.
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How about Stork?
He's been consistenly in Finals after Finals :p
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On November 11 2008 07:32 CDRdude wrote:
How are you all forgetting Rock? He consistently sucks. He also consistently makes it into the OSL and then consistently fails.
haha i was about to post this myself, its not just that he sucks its that pretty much every game he plays he plays the same (reaver to carrier) which to be fair to him is enough to qualify for everything but not enough to win anything. Stable consistency at its best
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On November 11 2008 05:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:41 GTR-2-Go wrote:On November 11 2008 05:13 cgrinker wrote:
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years Moon makes $25,000 per month which equates to $300,000 per year from what I've heard. Salaries of progamers (can't verify the accuracy, but I suppose the numbers are still worth having): http://weemee.com/weemee/issue/2Keep in mind that these are salaries and don't take into account tournament winnings.
Holy shit the SKT1 salary roll is like the Yankees of Starcraft. Big money, big fail.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
Define long after. Savior dropped out of top 20 3 months ago, and it wasnt that long after his slump, considering how his ZvP elo hit its peak midway through October of 2007.
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I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
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On November 11 2008 05:54 cgrinker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:17 nK)Duke wrote:
July is still the most stable progamer. I mean metaphorically not ability to stay rooted to the ground.
This made me chuckle a little.
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On November 11 2008 05:38 Athos wrote:
I think July is a player who can become incredibly hot when he really wants something (Like a golden mouse).
or cake
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On November 11 2008 05:41 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:13 cgrinker wrote:
I think that he is paid the most as well right? Like 800,000$ (equivalent) for three years Moon makes $25,000 per month which equates to $300,000 per year from what I've heard.
He earns like 9-10k/month, used to about 7k (2006/2007 or something).
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to say oov isnt the epitome of mental strength to me is ridiculous.
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Hey, don't forget about Reach. I mean, in the last few years he hasn't been good, but overall he has been very consistant.
From like, 2001 to 2005, Reach was on top of his game. Plus he made Daum 2007 OSL as well. Mantoss ftw
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well i gotta say this is a bad write up...
who cares if he stayed at the top 20 kespa ranking...
was he able to beat boxer 18 month #1 kespa ranking? no....
but he did have the highest points ever or something like that..
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CA10825 Posts
On November 11 2008 08:27 Darkmole wrote:
well i gotta say this is a bad write up...
who cares if he stayed at the top 20 kespa ranking...
was he able to beat boxer 18 month #1 kespa ranking? no....
but he did have the highest points ever or something like that..
sorry you're right. nada only had 17 months at number one. SO HORRIBLE RIGHT?
and don't forget his ridiculous 3-year streak or something ranked within the top 3 kespa.
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Is it that difficult to understand what the OP meant by stable?
Here's a hint, it doesn't mean "your favourite pro-gamer".
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i saw this thread name and immediately thought of nada
stork? wtf?
kid has been around for like a week
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 11 2008 08:37 travis wrote:
i saw this thread name and immediately thought of nada
stork? wtf?
kid has been around for like a week
Because most of the people in this thread haven't been following progaming for more than a couple years...
It's ridiculous to think anyone BUT Nada would have this title.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
LOL? Stork has been concistent for what? a year?
NaDa has been on top for over six years, dont even compare...
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Stork just had to get in his groove!
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On November 11 2008 08:12 Hyperbola wrote:
I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
Trophy-less...? You might want to check out the TLPD and look at the incredible amount of leagues he has either placed won, placed second, or third. You might also want to notice that NaDa won the golden mouse before July has.
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On November 11 2008 08:12 Hyperbola wrote:
I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
Are you legally retarded? HE HAS THE GOLDEN MOUSE + 3 msl champion pins
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well looking at how long stork and nada have been around. Stork has been stable 100% of his carear while nada has been.....idk? I wasnt around when nada started lol
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On November 11 2008 05:37 Djabanete wrote:
That's pretty impressive, but you have to realize that there are many other gamers who have consistently not been in the top 20 of KeSPA, and that they deserve credit too. There are hundreds of progamers who have not won anything significant year after year, without ever having gotten any recognition for it. Stability isn't easy, it takes effort and dedication.
yeah agreed, think about tossgirl, that is stable progamer, her rank and stats havent changed in years yet she is a progamer..
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 08:12 Hyperbola wrote:
I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
Go look up who won the first Golden Mouse ever and you'll see why this post fails.
This thread really makes me feel old. I still remember when oov and July were "those crazy new kids."
On November 11 2008 09:07 Racenilatr wrote:
well looking at how long stork and nada have been around. Stork has been stable 100% of his carear while nada has been.....idk? I wasnt around when nada started lol
Nada was arguably just as dominant in his prime as Stork is in his (relatively speaking of course, naturally the skill level has gone up, but Nada is one of the only pro gamers that's been able to match the meteoric rise in skill level).
As has been stated, Stork being stable for 100% of his career is impossible to compare to Nada, because his career has only been a small fraction of Nada's.
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On November 11 2008 09:09 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:37 Djabanete wrote:
That's pretty impressive, but you have to realize that there are many other gamers who have consistently not been in the top 20 of KeSPA, and that they deserve credit too. There are hundreds of progamers who have not won anything significant year after year, without ever having gotten any recognition for it. Stability isn't easy, it takes effort and dedication. yeah agreed, think about tossgirl, that is stable progamer, her rank and stats havent changed in years yet she is a progamer..
You can sorta assume that its someone whos "good" and that we like to watch methinks
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On November 11 2008 09:07 Racenilatr wrote:
well looking at how long stork and nada have been around. Stork has been stable 100% of his carear while nada has been.....idk? I wasnt around when nada started lol
What? Do you even know when Stork first came around? Stork has been around at LEAST since 2004.
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lol i actually have no clue what im talking about...i have a headache and im just stupid like that
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 09:24 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 09:07 Racenilatr wrote:
well looking at how long stork and nada have been around. Stork has been stable 100% of his carear while nada has been.....idk? I wasnt around when nada started lol What? Do you even know when Stork first came around? Stork has been around at LEAST since 2004.
He didn't get gold/silver in any Starleagues until 2007. In some sense, his career had a lot of build-up time.
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wcg doenst count as a starleague right?
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On November 11 2008 07:42 delanZia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:32 CDRdude wrote:
How are you all forgetting Rock? He consistently sucks. He also consistently makes it into the OSL and then consistently fails. haha i was about to post this myself, its not just that he sucks its that pretty much every game he plays he plays the same (reaver to carrier) which to be fair to him is enough to qualify for everything but not enough to win anything. Stable consistency at its best
That's a good point. Rock even plays more consistently than other pros (two base carrier PvT always makes the OSL). Also, his Kespa rank is more consistent than NaDa's. NaDa was in top 20 for a long time, so that's a range of 20 places. Rock has been between 30 and 19, a range of 11 places ^_^
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 09:30 Racenilatr wrote:
wcg doenst count as a starleague right?
No it doesn't. WCG games are also not KESPA ranked.
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On November 11 2008 05:15 Chef wrote:
This thread is not worthy of NaDa. Do a proper write up, or don't do it at all.
The OP did find an interesting fact (to the relatively new proscene followers at least). There are a million threads here that don't have a "proper" write up (and still generated some good discussion) so I think you should stop complaining.
Oh snap my 1000th post.
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On November 11 2008 05:12 amoxicilline wrote:
most old school pros have stopped playing though This speaks in favor of Nada, not against him. Most old school progamers retired because they couldn't compete with the new wave of progamers, so in that sense, they were forced to retire.
Nada is impressive in that he is able to consistently qualify for OSL and MSL even after playing for so long. I don't think any other progamer that started around the same time as Nada can say the same.
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Stork is pretty consistent. The man is beast.
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just wondering when is Nada going to get recruited to the army???
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On November 11 2008 08:27 Darkmole wrote:
well i gotta say this is a bad write up...
who cares if he stayed at the top 20 kespa ranking...
was he able to beat boxer 18 month #1 kespa ranking? no....
but he did have the highest points ever or something like that..
Actually Boxer was #1 for 17 months straight and NaDa 16 months straight.
Both were #1 for 17 months but one of NaDa's months as #1 was cut off from rest.
However, NaDa was in top 3 of Kespa ranking for 35 months, or nearly 3 years. No one else even comes close.
All these stats can be found here on TL.
Therefore, I also think NaDa has been the most stable player in history.
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On November 11 2008 09:18 TheYango wrote:
Nada was arguably just as dominant in his prime as Stork is in his (relatively speaking of course, naturally the skill level has gone up, but Nada is one of the only pro gamers that's been able to match the meteoric rise in skill level).
As has been stated, Stork being stable for 100% of his career is impossible to compare to Nada, because his career has only been a small fraction of Nada's.
nada was undoubtedly more dominant, it really was that ridiculous
not as ridiculous as savior though
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The most consistent player at the moment would be Stork.
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
Shinhan Masters.
Nada beat down a hot Iris and 3-1'ed savior.
He's been about 50-50 with savior ever since.
Made MSL quarters consistently and gets at least tv time on OSL which is damn impressive, despite the heavy amount of good tosses on the scene atm.
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Ok, everyone comparing other players stability to Nada's is because either they have a very short memory or just to new to the scene. Although it is relevant, just judging stableness by counting days is inaccurate.
What makes Nada the most stable progamer EVER, is that he was always there somewhere around the top through ALL different progaming stages. He is not from the old school age, the new school age, the macro age or the island maps age. He is part of all of them.
He was there when Z>>>P imba, when 2rax 1fac was standard BO for TvZ, he was there when they had retarded island maps like Paradoxx, he was there when FD in TvP became standard, and he is still here now when being a macro whore is the standard gaming style.
A lot of top pros have fallen or become average when the paradigms of some MUs changed, when the maps that allowed their unorthodox builds were replaced, etc... Not Nada. He adapted to every new age of SC with more or less success, but always managed to be considered a big threat.
That's why he is the most stable progamer. The change of a few variables in the game won't affect him like it does to others. He is rock solid, no matter what the changing times throw at him. He has lived through virtually every single revolution that came into SC since the beginning. Some gamers have survived through some eras, but no one has survived trough ALL of them. No one but Nada.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 11 2008 10:21 meegrean wrote:
The most consistent player at the moment would be Stork.
Oxymoron much?
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United States10774 Posts
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i think before he stopped playing BadFriend was pretty consistent; he was never top tier, but always high.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2008 11:49 OneOther wrote:
stork
Come back in 3-4 years, then we'll see.
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Stork is a fucking joke. This thread needs to be closed as Nada has to be the answer, the only answer.
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Batisterio-PiB
Brazil219 Posts
If oov didnt get injuried............I mean, i know Nada is the most stable progamer ever, but oov was a player that had respect until the retirement.....his wins wasnt a suprise even if the player was better
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
I just found that  ChoJJa was Top 20 KeSPA from the very beginning of the ranking system to the March 2007. It is 77 monthes. Before his sorrowful conflict with KTF he was the eldest stable progamer. He wasn't so successful as NaDa but he was older progamer, and he is one of the few zergs who was TOP 1 KeSPA.
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you all are forgetting a LOT of people. "stable" could also mean sucking all the time. i think there's a LOT of people who are constantly horrible.
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On November 11 2008 08:12 Hyperbola wrote:
I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
Do you even KNOW starcraft -_-
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When Nada started with SC/BW it was colorless and only made *beep-beep* sounds.
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Yeah TheRock is a good candidate.
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Nada = most stable programer. EZ! I first watched his replay on Lost Temple on the 1408 or kok.cpgl website.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
OMG ALL THESE NOOBS TALKIN SMACK ABOUT NADA lol
damn....
nada 4 lyf
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People should learn how to count.
((2008 - year when certain progamer started) * 12) - months he slumped = consistency.
But I won't even use that formula when I say that NaDa is more consistently top-tier than any other progamer in existence.
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On November 11 2008 05:13 MrHoon wrote:
OMG NO WAI DUDE NADA IS CONSISTENT??!?!?!?!
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noob pos t--> noob commments....
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I want to say nada. But my brain says OOV
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This isn't even a debate. RamenStyle laid it out:
On November 11 2008 11:31 RamenStyle wrote:
Ok, everyone comparing other players stability to Nada's is because either they have a very short memory or just to new to the scene.
Some gamers have survived through some eras, but no one has survived trough ALL of them. No one but Nada.
Honestly, no one even comes close. A period of dominance does not equate stability throughout one's career.
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On November 11 2008 08:37 travis wrote:
i saw this thread name and immediately thought of nada
stork? wtf?
kid has been around for like a week
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to write
There is no substitute for the man who maintains a ~60% overall win record over 7 goddamn years
On November 11 2008 08:12 Hyperbola wrote:
I don't see why July is not considered stable. He did win the golden mouse... I suppose Nada may have a good kespa score but that means nothing when he remains trophy-less.
get out
get out get out get out GET OUT
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When you look at how long Nada's been around, he's had to deal with and adapt to new strategies and styles of play for years and is still making the ro32s and ro16s consistently. That's pretty damn cool
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
Nada may not have won many titles lately but he is certainly the most consistent progamer of all time. "Top 20 doesn't mean jack", lmao. Ok so those guys are in the top 20 because they lose all the time? Give me a break. And obvioulsy Nada remained in the top long after his slump started as well(if it can even be called a slump for him). In fact it's never even mentioned that Nada is in a slump because he always consistenly qualifies for the OSL and MSL, unlike sAviOr as of late. So not only does Nada perform consistenly in Kespa he also qualifies for Star Leagues regularily as well. At this point I know I sound hugely biased but risingdragoon you are serioulsy underestimating such an accomplishment by Nada. And as far as your comment about Stork goes, you should change it to "Making the finals is what this man lives and dies for". Seeing as that's usually what he does in them. No offense Stork loL!
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Being "consistent" doesn't mean anything. Is it consistently bad? Consistently so-so? Consistently tops?
New players break out from the pack all the time, their low rank's not an indication of their form. If anyone want to argue a player's "consistent" he has to be consistently competitive. Again, Nada hasn't been competitive since Shinhan 3 (Masters is a for-kicks sponsor's event).
Does anyone care that someone's statistically in the top 20 when he can't play a good game of starcraft? I can only think of Boxer as kind of being the case, and even then he puts on shows from time to time.
Really, maybe only the top 7's an up-to-date indication of form + the occasional huge jump of 20/30 ranks from the bottom.
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On November 11 2008 05:44 Ry-Masta-T wrote:
Stable =/= wins titles. July did nothing for a year and a half. Stork has only been around for like 3 or 4 years. Nada is the only player that can be counted on to consistently have a fighting chance in every single match he plays.
except against free
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United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2008 11:05 omfghi2u2 wrote:except against free
On paper he still had a chance. Free happened to play like a baller. That doesn't change the fact that on paper, Nada had a fighting chance.
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What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank.
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Nada had a fighting chance against Free, in the last game they played Free just attacked at the perfect time catching Nada's army out of position just as he was about to push out preventing the push whilst Free expanded and macroed. If they played eachother again Nada would stall have a reasonable chance of taking him down imo.
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On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank.
good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way
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On November 11 2008 05:15 Chef wrote:
This thread is not worthy of NaDa. Do a proper write up, or don't do it at all.
Agreed
NaDa is a beast and I think a large reason he's done so well is his mechanics. Boxer relies on his strategic play and micro... his play style just isn't as suited towards a 'stable' career. The same can be said for a lot of other players as well.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2008 10:50 .risingdragoon wrote:
Being "consistent" doesn't mean anything. Is it consistently bad? Consistently so-so? Consistently tops?
New players break out from the pack all the time, their low rank's not an indication of their form. If anyone want to argue a player's "consistent" he has to be consistently competitive. Again, Nada hasn't been competitive since Shinhan 3 (Masters is a for-kicks sponsor's event).
Does anyone care that someone's statistically in the top 20 when he can't play a good game of starcraft? I can only think of Boxer as kind of being the case, and even then he puts on shows from time to time.
Really, maybe only the top 7's an up-to-date indication of form + the occasional huge jump of 20/30 ranks from the bottom.
Even if you consider that he hasn't "done anything" since Shinhan 3, that's still a successful career of 5 years, which is longer than pretty much any other player out there.
Regardless of how meaningful/less you think it is, it doesn't change the fact that he's the ONLY PLAYER TO DO IT.
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I'm surprised NaDa still can compete at rather high levels even to this day. Like, I still remember when I saw him on tv five years ago totally destroying shit.
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United States17042 Posts
On November 12 2008 11:27 vsrooks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:15 Chef wrote:
This thread is not worthy of NaDa. Do a proper write up, or don't do it at all. Agreed NaDa is a beast and I think a large reason he's done so well is his mechanics. Boxer relies on his strategic play and micro... his play style just isn't as suited towards a 'stable' career. The same can be said for a lot of other players as well.
His mechanics right now are the thing that's keeping him around, but he innovated as well. Tornado T, as well as skT were both popularized by him.
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When I saw the thread title I immediately thought NaDa. There's honestly no question about it ;p
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On November 11 2008 05:16 .risingdragoon wrote:NaDa hasn't done anything since losing to sAviOr in Shinhan 3. Top 20 doesn't mean jack, to be honest. sAviOr remained top long after his slump started. BoxeR/Oov/sAviOr/July are all relevent cus of their recent performances (well, boxeR's agelessly relevent). If you want stable, look at Stork. Making the finals is what this man lives for, the final man.
To be completely fair, neither has sAvior. And people still will take Nada or Savior over the best of them today, regardless of out of shape they are.
On November 12 2008 12:58 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:27 vsrooks wrote:On November 11 2008 05:15 Chef wrote:
This thread is not worthy of NaDa. Do a proper write up, or don't do it at all. Agreed NaDa is a beast and I think a large reason he's done so well is his mechanics. Boxer relies on his strategic play and micro... his play style just isn't as suited towards a 'stable' career. The same can be said for a lot of other players as well. His mechanics right now are the thing that's keeping him around, but he innovated as well. Tornado T, as well as skT were both popularized by him.
Perhaps, but not really. His mechanics aren't really up to what they used to be so it's certainly not keeping him competitive. And the original Tornado T and SK Terran are about as useful as Gartimo's Goon/Zeal innovations; there's so much more to the builds than the simple one-sentence justice we give them.
I would say that more likely his game sense, experience, and the willingness to play nonstandard is what's keeping him most competitive at this point.
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On November 12 2008 11:23 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank. good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way
OWNED
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 12 2008 16:30 only_human89 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:23 IdrA wrote:On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank. good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way OWNED
For the love of god, who seriously says "OWNED" anymore?
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On November 12 2008 16:35 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 16:30 only_human89 wrote:On November 12 2008 11:23 IdrA wrote:On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank. good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way OWNED For the love of god, who seriously says "OWNED" anymore?
You need to play more video games
PWNED
newb
L2Knowledge plz
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On November 12 2008 18:00 MYM.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 16:35 EvilTeletubby wrote:On November 12 2008 16:30 only_human89 wrote:On November 12 2008 11:23 IdrA wrote:On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank. good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way OWNED For the love of god, who seriously says "OWNED" anymore? You need to play more video games PWNED newb L2Knowledge plz
Or maybe you should stop playing with 12 year olds :D.
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savior probably.. iloveoov was too tho.
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Most stable progamer is rock
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Actually, Best is the most stable consistant progamer of ALL TIME. Thank you for listening.
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On November 12 2008 11:23 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:14 .risingdragoon wrote:
What paper? I didn't know SC's playable "on paper?"
That's the whole point isn't it? Top 20 sounds good but doesn't mean he'll win against someone of lower rank. good thing they just randomly assign the top 20 and it isnt earned in some way
Like the power rank!
+ Show Spoiler +Joke
But yeah, I never really realized NaDa did this well. I find it pretty amazing.
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of course nada is the greatest, most accomplished and most consistent pro ever. but since 07, the most consistent players have been jaedong/stork, the two guys with the highest winning % since that time I believe.
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Well yeah, I'd agree with you, nada is the only one with 3 osls and msls.
I don't know how many semi-finals/finals he has appeared on but I think that boxer can contest with that, Legend of Fall is more of a Curse for him, hehe.
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Most dominant of all times - Oov
Most charismatic of all times - Boxer
Most acomplished of all times - Nada
Most consistently competitive of all times - Nada
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The most consistent pro gamer is Mumjung. He has always sucked.
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On November 12 2008 20:43 1tym wrote:
Most dominant of all times - Oov
Most charismatic of all times - Boxer
Most acomplished of all times - Nada
Most consistently competitive of all times - Nada
and now close this thread
otherwise 1000 new teamliquid users will spawn who werent even around at NaDas time and post shit..
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On November 12 2008 22:46 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 20:43 1tym wrote:
Most dominant of all times - Oov
Most charismatic of all times - Boxer
Most acomplished of all times - Nada
Most consistently competitive of all times - Nada and now close this thread otherwise 1000 new teamliquid users will spawn who werent even around at NaDas time and post shit..
Word
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Katowice25012 Posts
On November 12 2008 22:10 DrainX wrote:
The most consistent pro gamer is Mumjung. He has always sucked.
This is a solid point
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For the people who don't understand and think Nada is not consistent at all:
Nada can beat all of the people some of the time
and can beat some of the people all of the time
But noone else can do that 7 fucking years straight
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NaDa kicks fucking ass, yes. But we already knew that.
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i wouldnt call that consistent, back when he won stuff he was the best, having a high chance of winning no matter who he plays. Now he loses in the quarterfinals of some tournament, or doesnt even make the qualification. if he loses the qualification game, but wins 4 other games in proleague or whereever, his winning percentage is still 80% but you shouldnt be calling that consistent
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On November 12 2008 11:05 omfghi2u2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:44 Ry-Masta-T wrote:
Stable =/= wins titles. July did nothing for a year and a half. Stork has only been around for like 3 or 4 years. Nada is the only player that can be counted on to consistently have a fighting chance in every single match he plays. except against free
:p
Nada hands down
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U cannot compare now and then. Last time there are little good progamers so 1 player tends to be dominant for long. Nada's skill have not dropped but the rest have got better. Nowadays, players in top 30 kespa can do the tricks nada,boxer,iloveoov,july used to do. In the past, they pioneered some style thats why they dominate. Starcraft evolution has slowed down as the game is ageing. Now it all depend on which player make mistake first to decide a game. If stork used the present skill to go back to the past and start the career same time as nada, he would be the 1 dominating and not nada.
So any dominance in the past is due to pioneering but we have to give credit to that.
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On November 13 2008 02:12 Baddieko wrote:
U cannot compare now and then. Last time there are little good progamers so 1 player tends to be dominant for long. Nada's skill have not dropped but the rest have got better. Nowadays, players in top 30 kespa can do the tricks nada,boxer,iloveoov,july used to do. In the past, they pioneered some style thats why they dominate. Starcraft evolution has slowed down as the game is ageing. Now it all depend on which player make mistake first to decide a game. If stork used the present skill to go back to the past and start the career same time as nada, he would be the 1 dominating and not nada.
So any dominance in the past is due to pioneering but we have to give credit to that.
thats just evolution of the game yo
that happens in anything that is competitive
what you are saying would mean that the past should never be compared to the present in an evolving sport
which maybe is right but we are doing it anyways so there is nothing to gain from pointing this out
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On November 11 2008 05:54 cgrinker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:17 nK)Duke wrote:
July is still the most stable progamer. I mean metaphorically not ability to stay rooted to the ground.
lol
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CA10825 Posts
On November 13 2008 01:20 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
i wouldnt call that consistent, back when he won stuff he was the best, having a high chance of winning no matter who he plays. Now he loses in the quarterfinals of some tournament, or doesnt even make the qualification. if he loses the qualification game, but wins 4 other games in proleague or whereever, his winning percentage is still 80% but you shouldnt be calling that consistent
you make it sound as if making it into the quarterfinals of a league isn't an accomplishment.
how many players that were active in 2002 regularly qualify for one if not both individual leagues every single season? guess who he was playing back in 2002:
ChRh, TheMarine, IntoTheRain, Oddysay, GARIMTO, JinNam, HOT-Forever, Zeus, fOru, Grrrr..., SoNiC)BlacK, YellOw, Sync, SonJjang, JinSoO, )Is(City just to name a few.
How many of them even play professionally anymore?
just in the past couple years alone he has qualified for:
MSL: GOMTV S2, S3, S4, Arena 2008, ClubDay 2008
OSL: Daum, EVER 2007, EVER 2008, Incruit
how many players can maintain a 60% win rate for over a period of nearly 7 years?
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On November 13 2008 01:20 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
i wouldnt call that consistent, back when he won stuff he was the best, having a high chance of winning no matter who he plays. Now he loses in the quarterfinals of some tournament, or doesnt even make the qualification. if he loses the qualification game, but wins 4 other games in proleague or whereever, his winning percentage is still 80% but you shouldnt be calling that consistent
LOL wut?
Not many players make it to the quarterfinals of the MSL, and the MSL isn't just "some touarnament". Even Jaedong failed to make the OSL qualifications, and I don't think anyone can say that Jaedong isn't one of the strongest players of today.
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On November 11 2008 05:41 nK)Duke wrote:
In a real fight between nada and july, there's not a slightly chance that nada would win.
LOL
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United States17042 Posts
On November 13 2008 05:46 xhuwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 05:41 nK)Duke wrote:
In a real fight between nada and july, there's not a slightly chance that nada would win. LOL
wtf? please either read the rest of the thread, or look at tlpd and see how good nada is against july.
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Swear to god goodfriend was most stable lol, just stablly sucking.
I'd rather to have a progammer than goes in a "OWNAGE" "slump" "OWNAGE" "slump" cycle than someone who consistently do medeocre.
That that nada is medeocre...
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Like july, he'd be sucking n sucking and all of a sudden KABOOM rape best hardcore. What show!
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Oh, I meant in a physical fight between July and Nada. I guess July could just sit on him.
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United States17042 Posts
On November 13 2008 05:01 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2008 01:20 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
i wouldnt call that consistent, back when he won stuff he was the best, having a high chance of winning no matter who he plays. Now he loses in the quarterfinals of some tournament, or doesnt even make the qualification. if he loses the qualification game, but wins 4 other games in proleague or whereever, his winning percentage is still 80% but you shouldnt be calling that consistent you make it sound as if making it into the quarterfinals of a league isn't an accomplishment. how many players that were active in 2002 regularly qualify for one if not both individual leagues every single season? guess who he was playing back in 2002: ChRh, TheMarine, IntoTheRain, Oddysay, GARIMTO, JinNam, HOT-Forever, Zeus, fOru, Grrrr..., SoNiC)BlacK, YellOw, Sync, SonJjang, JinSoO, )Is(City just to name a few. How many of them even play professionally anymore? just in the past couple years alone he has qualified for: MSL: GOMTV S2, S3, S4, Arena 2008, ClubDay 2008 OSL: Daum, EVER 2007, EVER 2008, Incruit how many players can maintain a 60% win rate for over a period of nearly 7 years?
Just for fun, and to back up the point, here's a link that should set your head spinning as to how long nada has been playing: (and actually, how long boxer has been playing as well ><;
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=711
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United States47024 Posts
Wow, such old maps.
I don't think I ever even played on the original Gaema Gowon.
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On November 12 2008 22:10 DrainX wrote:
The most consistent pro gamer is Mumjung. He has always sucked.
lmao
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Of the list that losing made, Yellow, IntotheRainbow, and fOru (and perhaps HOT, depending on where he is in his ACE service) are still playing. He left out Boxer, but Nada and Boxer are the only ones that play competitively now days.
And fOru and HOT don't really count because they've had their stays extended because of Ace. same with Yellow, bummer IntotheRainbow's career is probably at an end.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
when i think of stable progamer i think of stork
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On November 13 2008 15:41 Rekrul wrote:
when i think of stable progamer i think of stork
ROFLMAO
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Just speculation, but I think FlaSh will be up there with them. He is only young now and while he has 'slumps' perhaps, that is just because he set the standard so high for a while there and everyone thought he was invincible. He has still maintained top10 in his worst slumps so he is another one to watch for consistency in the future, imo.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
NaDa is one of the few progamers who started to dominate right after their first appearance at the pro-scene. Yes, many players started to dominate after a couple of years of progaming and hard trainings, but NaDa became successful and dominating after his first televised game against ChRh.
For example, Stork started to play in 2005, but he started to dominate only in 2007 and he sucked for two years.
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Bisu who can say the same, but he is just a kid who is playing in Starcraft only for two years. Two years of being TOP 20 KeSPA and six years of being TOP 20 KeSPA - there is a huge difference, right?
