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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 08 2008 23:08 GMT
#1
so i searched trough forums for answer, but didnt seem to find any. So its basically same problem several ppl have had, without getting any decent answers.

I can only play with 1 other person, if theres any more ppl they all show up with 2 green bars and it lags horribly bad once the game starts.
There is nothing wrong with my comp, it works perfectly well when i play WoW. I formated my hardisk earlier this week. I was so looking forward to play 3v3 again after a long time. This is after i got a new connection, witch is really good. I really dont know what to do.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 08 2008 23:27 GMT
#2
D-Link router?
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 08 2008 23:39 GMT
#3
Sounds like a router problem. This happened to me on a regular basis before I opened ports 6112-6119.
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
May 08 2008 23:58 GMT
#4
www.portforward.com

though, if you've got a 'NETGEAR' router, it will never work -_-
Oh no
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
May 09 2008 00:06 GMT
#5
sigh, i don't want to read a manual to learn how to do this, too much work, ill just stick to my 1v1's.
I wrote a song once.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 09 2008 00:12 GMT
#6
On May 09 2008 08:58 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
www.portforward.com

though, if you've got a 'NETGEAR' router, it will never work -_-



Why won't it work if it's a Netgear router?
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
May 09 2008 00:19 GMT
#7
Tighten up your range oop and try 4betting light.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24768 Posts
May 09 2008 00:22 GMT
#8
On May 09 2008 08:08 ThePhan2m wrote:
so i searched trough forums for answer, but didnt seem to find any. So its basically same problem several ppl have had, without getting any decent answers.

I can only play with 1 other person, if theres any more ppl they all show up with 2 green bars and it lags horribly bad once the game starts.
There is nothing wrong with my comp, it works perfectly well when i play WoW. I formated my hardisk earlier this week. I was so looking forward to play 3v3 again after a long time. This is after i got a new connection, witch is really good. I really dont know what to do.

You can't play WoW AND Starcraft... you'll have to choose.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 00:25 GMT
#9
On May 09 2008 09:22 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 08:08 ThePhan2m wrote:
so i searched trough forums for answer, but didnt seem to find any. So its basically same problem several ppl have had, without getting any decent answers.

I can only play with 1 other person, if theres any more ppl they all show up with 2 green bars and it lags horribly bad once the game starts.
There is nothing wrong with my comp, it works perfectly well when i play WoW. I formated my hardisk earlier this week. I was so looking forward to play 3v3 again after a long time. This is after i got a new connection, witch is really good. I really dont know what to do.

You can't play WoW AND Starcraft... you'll have to choose.


says who? When im bored of WoW i play starcraft couple of games!
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24768 Posts
May 09 2008 00:37 GMT
#10
On May 09 2008 09:25 ThePhan2m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 09:22 micronesia wrote:
On May 09 2008 08:08 ThePhan2m wrote:
so i searched trough forums for answer, but didnt seem to find any. So its basically same problem several ppl have had, without getting any decent answers.

I can only play with 1 other person, if theres any more ppl they all show up with 2 green bars and it lags horribly bad once the game starts.
There is nothing wrong with my comp, it works perfectly well when i play WoW. I formated my hardisk earlier this week. I was so looking forward to play 3v3 again after a long time. This is after i got a new connection, witch is really good. I really dont know what to do.

You can't play WoW AND Starcraft... you'll have to choose.


says who? When im bored of WoW i play starcraft couple of games!

I hope you at least scrape your shoes on the floor mat before walking in. Don't want to track any shit in...
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Steelflight-Rx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1389 Posts
May 09 2008 00:40 GMT
#11
rofl
yubee wrote: you know? it's a great night you should all smile no matter what harddships, because grass grows and the sky is blue and it's a good life.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 01:18 GMT
#12
On May 09 2008 09:37 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 09:25 ThePhan2m wrote:
On May 09 2008 09:22 micronesia wrote:
On May 09 2008 08:08 ThePhan2m wrote:
so i searched trough forums for answer, but didnt seem to find any. So its basically same problem several ppl have had, without getting any decent answers.

I can only play with 1 other person, if theres any more ppl they all show up with 2 green bars and it lags horribly bad once the game starts.
There is nothing wrong with my comp, it works perfectly well when i play WoW. I formated my hardisk earlier this week. I was so looking forward to play 3v3 again after a long time. This is after i got a new connection, witch is really good. I really dont know what to do.

You can't play WoW AND Starcraft... you'll have to choose.


says who? When im bored of WoW i play starcraft couple of games!

I hope you at least scrape your shoes on the floor mat before walking in. Don't want to track any shit in...

lol, what kind of shit do you think i bring in?
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
May 09 2008 01:28 GMT
#13
Its not hard to change the port that sc uses i think you can easly do it though choaslaucher under the settings tabs before the way i did it was though the regestry. But just change it to like 6113 or something also do you share a router? becuase then you defendtlly have to change the ports so you guys dont clash
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-09 02:15:42
May 09 2008 01:31 GMT
#14
OK, so I did everything on the guide. Once i get into my routers options and add those ports. I findt out they already have auto put up a whole bunch games and stuff. So i select starcraft, witch has ports 6112-6119 and 4000-4000. And i add WoW aswell, since i play it. and Bittorrent. since i figure its kinda logical, and me just beeing stupid enough to not check it out before.
SO i go back, start BW and once i enter, like every move i do message like "waiting for response from battle.net" comes up. Cant do shit now! makes it worse. I've tried rebooting, and tried to put back on automatic ip on ip setup, cuz thats what the guide said I should do if somthing went wrong. Restarted comp again after that, still not working. Any TIPS?
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 01:31 GMT
#15
No i dont share router, I have my own.
glaex
Profile Joined July 2005
United States304 Posts
May 09 2008 02:21 GMT
#16
find the reset button on your router and use it. start over and just focus on getting sc working. you can fuck with bit torrent after that. if you made any registy changes unmake them. aftery you make and save changes power cycle the router before before checking to see if it worked. ive goten this to work with 2wire and dlink routers easily. If you have a dd-wrt based router you can get instructions here

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54793
god im such a cheap whore
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 02:25 GMT
#17
i have a pretty standard router. thomson speedtouch780WLT. ill try what you said
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
May 09 2008 02:27 GMT
#18
On May 09 2008 09:12 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 08:58 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
www.portforward.com

though, if you've got a 'NETGEAR' router, it will never work -_-



Why won't it work if it's a Netgear router?


Because Netgears are fucking useless boxes.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-09 02:43:23
May 09 2008 02:43 GMT
#19
If you don't share a router then why are you using one?

If nothing works, try the DMZ function (if your router supports it).
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
May 09 2008 03:17 GMT
#20
Some of my friends and I independently have the same problem; don't know of a solution. It's not a port forwarding issue.

Old threads on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=55198
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=All&topic_id=53525&show_part=
I BELIEVE IN CAPITAL LETTER PUNISHMENT!!!!!
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
May 09 2008 05:37 GMT
#21
On May 09 2008 09:12 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 08:58 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
www.portforward.com

though, if you've got a 'NETGEAR' router, it will never work -_-



Why won't it work if it's a Netgear router?

Maybe other people have had better luck than me, however, with my experience with netgear routers (and i mean strictly their routers, the switches are sexbombs), is that no matter how hard you try to port forward (and i'm a software developer, this stuff is engrained in my head so i'm not overlooking anything, trust me), StarCraft just doesn't fucking work. It's almost as if the router is opening the port but still doing something to stop it from completely working.
Not only that, but the firmware is RIDDLED with spelling mistakes. Quality for the win?
I just hate netgear, it can suck my balls and suck them again and more.
Oh no
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 10:51 GMT
#22
On May 09 2008 11:21 glaex wrote:
find the reset button on your router and use it. start over and just focus on getting sc working. you can fuck with bit torrent after that. if you made any registy changes unmake them. aftery you make and save changes power cycle the router before before checking to see if it worked. ive goten this to work with 2wire and dlink routers easily. If you have a dd-wrt based router you can get instructions here

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54793


so i tried everything like that. Resetting router, trying again etc, not working still. Getting "Waiting for response from battle.net". Even WoW lags now.
Put everything back now, works as before, execpt msn wont start for some wierd reason.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 10:53 GMT
#23
On May 09 2008 11:43 Smorrie wrote:
If you don't share a router then why are you using one?

If nothing works, try the DMZ function (if your router supports it).

what is DMZ?
and isnt not having a router compromising sequrity of my computer?
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
May 09 2008 13:55 GMT
#24
fuk bill gates. brb another 1v1
I wrote a song once.
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
May 09 2008 14:37 GMT
#25
You life on a farm don't yopu? if so go push that big fat cow off the line.
XK ßubonic
jambonkingcool
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada186 Posts
May 09 2008 14:40 GMT
#26
I have kind of the same problem too. I can play / host any game, with any number of players, but when my roommate tries to join the game it lags horribly until one of us leave. I already tried the DWORD Game data port file trick, but it didn't change anything. I use a Linksys router. Does anyone have a solution for me? Thanks
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
May 09 2008 14:42 GMT
#27
On May 09 2008 19:53 ThePhan2m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 11:43 Smorrie wrote:
If you don't share a router then why are you using one?

If nothing works, try the DMZ function (if your router supports it).

what is DMZ?
and isnt not having a router compromising sequrity of my computer?


I think it stands for DeMilitarized Zone its a firewall config for LANs. By removing it all firewall protection would be gone. I would use only if necessary.
XK ßubonic
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
May 09 2008 14:47 GMT
#28
On May 09 2008 23:42 Bub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2008 19:53 ThePhan2m wrote:
On May 09 2008 11:43 Smorrie wrote:
If you don't share a router then why are you using one?

If nothing works, try the DMZ function (if your router supports it).

what is DMZ?
and isnt not having a router compromising sequrity of my computer?


I think it stands for DeMilitarized Zone its a firewall config for LANs. By removing it all firewall protection would be gone. I would use only if necessary.


who needs protection anyway -_-;
its me
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
May 09 2008 15:15 GMT
#29
I might have the same problem as you, ThePhan2m. Right now I am getting internet through Nextgentel and have a speedtouch (don't remember the exact model) DSL modem/router. Even if I have the right port forward info in it, it will still give me problems in games with more than one opponent. The configuration thing for it is really simple and DMZ isn't an option. Looking through some forums online, I have found that it is a common problem that speedtouch, nextgentel and starcraft don't work well together. If you are getting internet through nextgentel and got the router through them, you might try calling their helpline and maybe arrange for them to send you a different brand router/modem. And try not to go too deeply into why, because they probably won't understand you.

Just be sure that you have tried it with the correct port forward configuration or with your computer in DMZ first or if your have a separate modem and router that you just plug your computer into the modem.

Right now I use VPN through my university to get around the problem.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
May 09 2008 16:07 GMT
#30
Only use DMZ if you have a softwarefirewall on your computer. Because it disables the firewall features of the router.
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Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
May 09 2008 17:27 GMT
#31
So you set up a static IP and forwarded ports to that IP and it still wont work?
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
May 09 2008 18:01 GMT
#32
On May 09 2008 23:37 Bub wrote:
You life on a farm don't yopu? if so go push that big fat cow off the line.


LMFAO @ that stupid ass comment...especially with "life"

I have a 2link router that i rarely come around these problems besides having to restart it like once a week.....
ya had ya shot kid!
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
May 09 2008 19:45 GMT
#33
On May 10 2008 02:27 Gandalf wrote:
So you set up a static IP and forwarded ports to that IP and it still wont work?

yes
gusbear
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
333 Posts
May 09 2008 21:28 GMT
#34
if you have tried rebooting router, loading defaults, upgrading firmware etc and still no luck, just connect direct to your modem when u need to play SC and get another router if u need it.
JellyCat
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada138 Posts
May 09 2008 21:50 GMT
#35
When it's not about port forwarding, it's usually a NAT problem i.e. your router is not doing NAT properly (wikipedia it if you want more info).

Most router have a nat loopback functionality that you can use through telnet.
Something like you run "cmd" then telnet ipaddressofrouter
You'll be ask for ID / pass
then for mine it's something like: :ip config natloopback=enabled

Seems like the speedtouch are really crap at that kind of things.
Hope that'll help
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 09 2008 22:32 GMT
#36
yes, i believe it has to do with NAT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation

if you have a netgear router like i do you will experience disconnects whenever your router randomly decides to stop accepting incoming packets from one source (opposing player).
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-10 20:04:35
May 10 2008 20:03 GMT
#37
On May 10 2008 06:50 JellyCat wrote:
When it's not about port forwarding, it's usually a NAT problem i.e. your router is not doing NAT properly (wikipedia it if you want more info).

Most router have a nat loopback functionality that you can use through telnet.
Something like you run "cmd" then telnet ipaddressofrouter
You'll be ask for ID / pass
then for mine it's something like: :ip config natloopback=enabled

Seems like the speedtouch are really crap at that kind of things.
Hope that'll help


So how exactly to you enable NAT loopback functionality?

I typed in "telnet 192.168.1.1" and it told me it was not a valid internal or external command.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
JellyCat
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada138 Posts
May 10 2008 21:34 GMT
#38
On May 11 2008 05:03 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2008 06:50 JellyCat wrote:
When it's not about port forwarding, it's usually a NAT problem i.e. your router is not doing NAT properly (wikipedia it if you want more info).

Most router have a nat loopback functionality that you can use through telnet.
Something like you run "cmd" then telnet ipaddressofrouter
You'll be ask for ID / pass
then for mine it's something like: :ip config natloopback=enabled

Seems like the speedtouch are really crap at that kind of things.
Hope that'll help


So how exactly to you enable NAT loopback functionality?

I typed in "telnet 192.168.1.1" and it told me it was not a valid internal or external command.


I'm not a router guru I just know enough to make mine work but still, trying to help:
-what's your router? (brand, model)
-are you sure you're routeur ip is 192.168.1.1 ?

On my router (a speedtouch 780 boxed by some ISP) I can:
- Start button then "run..." in windows
- Type in "cmd" and execute, a black window should open
- There you type "telnet ipaddress of router" (for me: telnet 192.168.1.254)
- It asks for id / pass (if you havent touch anything that should be administrator/administrator)
- Then ":ipconfig natloopback=enabled" (you can try out the help functions to find the nat one... depend of the brand / model)
- Then you save ":saveall" and "exit"
- Reboot router and you're ready to go (you still need forward rules btw)

There are a few other commands that can help if this is not enough.

Some router don't accept telnet unfortunately (some DLink....), i'm afraid there's not much you can do about it (the only last chance solutions are trying to use fix IP and if your router has starcraft preset rules not using them but creating a new rule manually OR using DMZ i.e. you've got you're real IP address directly (but you can't have more than one comp on the internet at a time...))
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 11 2008 04:24 GMT
#39
Mine is a Netgear WPN824v2

So I opened up the command window, typed in "telnet 192.168.1.1" but it doesn't ask me for a id/password. If I put in a colon, it just moves to the next line.
I'm 99% sure that 192.168.1.1 is my router IP. I use that to configure my portforward settings.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 11 2008 04:57 GMT
#40
[image loading]


There's why my cmd window looks like.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
glaex
Profile Joined July 2005
United States304 Posts
May 11 2008 05:12 GMT
#41
try just typing the telnet command into the run box. if that doesnt work go into administrator mode... vista ftl
god im such a cheap whore
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 11 2008 07:13 GMT
#42
On May 11 2008 14:12 glaex wrote:
try just typing the telnet command into the run box. if that doesnt work go into administrator mode... vista ftl


Tried it, again, doesn't recognize Telnet as a proper program.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
JellyCat
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada138 Posts
May 11 2008 11:05 GMT
#43
Didn't know Telnet was removed from Vista...

I uploaded mine from Windows: Telnet (click)
Hope it will work under Vista.

You can also google "telnet" to find other free clients (but possibly a little bit more complicated to use)
LeGeNdZs[FcG]
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada163 Posts
May 11 2008 12:32 GMT
#44
if you are using sympatico, go intenret connections create new connection enter your b1 username + password, the name of new connecion can be anything. Now make sure u have ur normla internet connection and "my new by default is called Broadband" probably bcus im DSL from sympatico. The game works normally and i can host, Each time u shut off modem, or restart your comp just re-connect this new connection and voila(its already been created it dont delete just turns off)

only for sympatico users using vista.

there is another way for xp, which is going into the modem picture and adding UDP and TCP ports 6112. ive never had to edit my firewall. adding ports to it did nothing. Best advice get rogers internet they are good for starcraft.
Protoss since october 2005, no more internet since may 24th 2008, quit broodwar internet still in for another 31 days after the contract terms end. <3 get to post still :D
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 13 2008 04:06 GMT
#45
Legendzs what's Symptico?

So I looked at the telenet thingy and the problem i run into is doesn't recognize "telenet 192.168.1.1" as a valid command. When i type in "o 6112" it replies with a "Could not open connection to host, on port 23: Connect failed".

On my Netgear WPM824v2 router, I've enabled my IP as a DMZ server, Disabled the SPI firewall, and Respond to to ping on port and all of them have failed. I'm still trying to use google to find a cohesive guide on how to enable NAT functionality.

I'll post screenies if anyone wants this.

Btw, thanks for everyone for putting up with the common lag problem banter. It's the highest level (from a techinical standpoint) thread on opening ports I've seen, and I'd hate to cause Jellycat (great shirt btw) a trouble that amounts to nothing.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-13 04:31:36
May 13 2008 04:31 GMT
#46
Anyways, from :
here

By default, Vista doesn't install the Telnet client. The client is for text-based communication with remote systems. You can install it by following these steps:

1. Click Start then select Control Panel.

2. Select Programs and Features.

3. Select Turn Windows features on or off.

4. Select the Telnet Client option.

5. Click OK.

6. A dialog box will appear to confirm installation. The telnet command should now be available.
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