Ogogo has been arrested.

On March 12 2008 15:15 Manifesto7 wrote:
Did they say his name? I cant find "이용범" anywhere in the article.

On March 12 2008 15:15 Manifesto7 wrote:
Did they say his name? I cant find "이용범" anywhere in the article.

On March 12 2008 15:18 Manifesto7 wrote:
THAT COULD BE ANYBODY!

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On March 12 2008 15:16 ATeddyBear wrote:
how can...wcg2003 champion be thief

On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
When you want a camera, you want a camera.

On March 12 2008 16:02 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Any pics of ogogo? I've never seen what he looks like.

On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
When you want a camera, you want a camera.

On November 30 2007 14:51 MarklarMarklar wrote:
now that you say that cloud i have always wondered what progamer will get arrested first

there should be a poll about whos the dodgiest progamer

On August 06 2004 01:13 Legionnaire wrote:
His father thinks he is the most amazing thing since sliced bread. And a part of his "destructive chemistry" was because his father kept asking for lots of money from the teams he joined.

Samsung needed new players now that a lot of the players got annoyed and left. And ogogo needed a team since not many wanted him.

on a side note, we had been in talks with getting ogogo (as he is a damn cool guy even though assem gets annoyed that he wont play with him as much as he used to!) and it was going pretty well, until they just stopped dead. (this was a few months ago)

When i asked about it, the above mentioned "destructive chemistry" was the reason for us not getting him. Thats why we picked up dream.t)siva once he decided to jump ship away from samsung (along with shinya and artofterran) As we needed at least one decent 1v1 zerg.

On March 12 2008 18:26 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
how depressing
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On March 12 2008 18:35 GongKyuckTerran wrote:


why is this depressing cuz he was wcg champion and great sc player years ago...
he stole,he caught and he will be punished.
many of us dont have money for most of the things,but still we dont broke into others people house and steal things...he isnt badass he is idiot.
badass for me is someone who give something good to people not steal from them..

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
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On March 12 2008 18:25 Physician wrote:
SunCow's bad influence during his stay in Korea..

I still remember Ogogo left keyboard hand video; first time I had ever seen fingers move so fast at Starcraft.
http://bwchart.teamliquid.net/img/ultima/ultima.wmv (last 40 secs or so of movie)

On March 12 2008 22:06 Masashige wrote:
This is what happens to kids who replace their lives with gaming..

On March 12 2008 22:08 Manifesto7 wrote:


That's right, cause all us TL.net guys go and rip off cameras when we are not posting here.

Or, perhaps the two are unrelated.

On March 12 2008 22:12 Masashige wrote:


It's ok to be a gamer, but kids who get too into it tend to have warped minds =/

I have a relative who's 26 who dropped out of college twice (even tho he got into a better school the second time!) and now goes to county. Plays WoW all day. Thinks everything is all good as long as his chars are godly and shit. Has not held a job yet in his life. What also sucks is that his parents are rich (one is a bank manager, the other is a CEO of a big time japanese car company *guess*).

On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

I agree.

On March 12 2008 22:19 Frits wrote:


Please for the love of god stop.

Playing it as a job and making money is not the same as sitting around playing wow all day like a lazy scumbag. This has nothing to do with warped minds and shit, name 1 other (ex)progamer who has done something similar.

On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?

Idiot..

On March 12 2008 22:25 Masashige wrote:


Well its not like progamers go from being highschool academic allstars to progamers. They start as addicts and finish as addicts.

On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?

Idiot..

On March 12 2008 22:40 teamsolid wrote:

"Iloveoov picked up Starcraft in his last year of middle school (9th grade). Prior to that he was one of the top students in his school, placing in the top ten every time."
Dumbass.

On March 12 2008 22:40 dinmsab wrote:


Agreed, they make start of as addicts but once they turn pro, the fun probably starts to go away. Still, no reason to call him an idiot...

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
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On March 12 2008 22:12 Masashige wrote:


It's ok to be a gamer, but kids who get too into it tend to have warped minds =/

I have a relative who's 26 who dropped out of college twice (even tho he got into a better school the second time!) and now goes to county. Plays WoW all day. Thinks everything is all good as long as his chars are godly and shit. Has not held a job yet in his life. What also sucks is that his parents are rich (one is a bank manager, the other is a CEO of a big time japanese car company *guess*).

On March 12 2008 16:09 ram wrote:
Damn, a second topic, that really needs carlo's opinion! Someone post on GSI forums, he might still be visiting there daily

On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:

What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end.

On March 12 2008 23:27 intrigue wrote:

that's like saying 'pro-wrestling is a dead end' or 'being a bmx stuntman is a dead end.' it doesn't matter that careers like these don't have very practical applications outside of their circles. they're niche 'sports' and have their own fanbases with a pretty decent profit for those involved - why does it sound like you think everything outside of academia or traditional career routes are bad? do you honestly think savior is going to quit starcraft after it dies, be left with no options, and become a hopeless degenerate? a progamer already has on his resume something most people would die to have - proof of potential to succeed, proof of dedication and determination, and proof that they can survive in an intense, disciplined competitive environment.

i think you are confusing the stereotypical image of a fat wow player in a basement somewhere, sitting in his pjs ordering takeout with the sharp modern progamer. iirc the younger players still in school like flash and sea still maintain (or had, not sure if sea is still in school) top marks in their classes.

On March 12 2008 22:43 Masashige wrote:


I don't disagree with the fact that the fun goes away once gaming becomes your job. Doesn't change the fact that pro-gaming is a fruitless career path.

On March 12 2008 22:22 micronesia wrote:

I don't. BTW were you aiming for funny or temp ban?

On March 13 2008 00:38 Gaetele wrote:


Flash is top in his class and he's also the top Terran currently in the progaming scene. He's balancing his high school career and Starcraft perfectly and he excels in both.

On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:
It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft.

On March 13 2008 02:21 Xeris wrote:


I think you have no idea how different schooling is in other countries than in the US. Being the top of your class in asian countries even as early as middle school is no easy feat.

On March 13 2008 02:03 Live2Win wrote:

Well your relative is just a classic example of an addiction.

It's not necessarilly a "gamer" thing, it's just an addiction, like drugs and alcohol.

Also, in Korea, Progaming is as much of a dead-end as other sports. Perhaps not as big as the mainstream sports like soccer or golf, but ex-tennis players do end up in similar situations, where they invest so much in that career but just don't go far with it.

In fact it's like that for most sports. It's not just a "gaming thing"... it's a natural outcome for any sport.

On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:

It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft.

On March 13 2008 02:51 LosingID8 wrote:
you underestimate the korean school system

On March 13 2008 02:37 Masashige wrote:


Like I said, I'm going to be a little biased. I don't consider sports and progaming to be in the same (or similar) category.

On March 12 2008 22:43 Masashige wrote:


I don't disagree with the fact that the fun goes away once gaming becomes your job. Doesn't change the fact that pro-gaming is a fruitless career path.

On March 13 2008 02:37 Masashige wrote:


Like I said, I'm going to be a little biased. I don't consider sports and progaming to be in the same (or similar) category.

On March 13 2008 04:28 Wasabi wrote:
Progaming? Fruitless? Did people forget that Shinhan Bank, one of the largest banks in South Korea, was interested in hiring them because of their dexterity and fast reflexes?

On March 13 2008 06:05 randombum wrote:
Erm... Am I the only person who doesn't know/care who ogogo was?

Before I get banned I would like to say

On March 13 2008 06:05 randombum wrote:
Erm... Am I the only person who doesn't know/care who ogogo was?

On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
When you want a camera, you want a camera.

On March 13 2008 04:28 Wasabi wrote:
Progaming? Fruitless? Did people forget that Shinhan Bank, one of the largest banks in South Korea, was interested in hiring them because of their dexterity and fast reflexes?

On March 13 2008 08:14 Xeris wrote:
I think anyone who has the willpower and desire/motivation to get to the TOP of anything, whether it is progaming or otherwise, can do it in any other facet of life they are interested in.

On March 12 2008 16:49 Meh wrote:
A lot of good books have been written in prison, I'm sure alot of Starcraft could be played too!

On March 13 2008 06:47 Darkmole wrote:
Ogogo was amazing :D he was an average player then i guess he became a progamer :D He won the WCG 2003 when he was an average player right?

On March 13 2008 06:36 drop wrote:


Ogogo was a zerg player with very good mutalisk control. He was one of the few that could play well on island maps - he made other (mostly european however) players look like complete newbs when he dominated them on "impossible to win" island maps mostly due his trademark muta micro (some sort of July zerg prototype, or follower of Yellows muta-harrass tactics).
On normal maps he was an "average" progamer zerg, playing mostly the now forgotten low-econ lurker-ling strat in ZvT, mass mutas in ZvZ (with ability to snipe the scourge) and pretty traditional ZvP (I think there was a replay where he massed mutas vs protoss and killed few archons - pretty entertaining).

Ogogo produced some quality replays - like a game where he managed to stop an early bunker rush on LT 6/12 (during the era when terrans said that TvZ is easy - "just bunker rush and FE" - who said that btw?).

He often played with European players, due to lack of korean training partners.

On March 13 2008 02:54 tomatriedes wrote:
I want to see a mugshot of him!

On March 13 2008 09:28 Wasabi wrote:


And what does Bill Gates have anything to do with this? Bill Gates is one in a million (billion, really) miracle. You don't see anyone who try to be like him and become as successful as he is, do you?

On March 13 2008 09:28 Wasabi wrote:


How about you come back and read your post and say if this has anything to do with what I'm trying to say? And what does Bill Gates have anything to do with this? Bill Gates is one in a million (billion, really) miracle. You don't see anyone who try to be like him and become as successful as he is, do you? While in my *true* scenario (yes, Shinhan did say that progamers are skilled with computers and would like to give them jobs in the banking industry), there are many progamers, while many aren't successful, a job opputunity such as what Shinhan was offering is not limited to only those who are successful, thus include people who have never achieved anything. Besides, most progamers are within 15-20 years of age, which is still very young to have any true potential in a proper working setting. They have a whole decade ahead of them to try to switch professions, and get back to college.

Progaming also gives the players publicity. Techinically, they are employed by the company sponsoring them. Just putting that in thier resume, not to mention the possibility of being hired by those same companies outside of their progaming team, is a big bonus.

On March 13 2008 08:18 Masashige wrote:

I think it's much easier for kids to be into gaming or things they enjoy as opposed to studying for school.

On March 12 2008 19:26 Plexa wrote:
wow?
retiring isn't enough for progamers anymore? now they have to goto prison too?!
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Korean Prison System Progaming Team !!

On March 13 2008 08:29 psyCrowe wrote:
to the guy who said he had some quality replays
i can agree to that, grrr vs ogogo on blade storm IS, and will forever be one of my fav replays.. but i guess Grrr is more famous for that one to be honest :p

On March 13 2008 08:56 cujo2k wrote:

no way was he an 'average' player, he was pretty damn good. An average player wouldn't win WCG/korean prelims.. although I think in 2003 the korean prelims were online and had a lot of wintrading.. cant remember.

I think he used defilers a lot in ZvT when it was fairly unpopular to do so at the time(2003)

On March 13 2008 08:18 Masashige wrote:

I think it's much easier for kids to be into gaming or things they enjoy as opposed to studying for school.

On March 13 2008 11:50 The Storyteller wrote:


I think you missed the point. The point was not that kids find STARTING gaming easy, it was that kids who reach the TOP of the gaming have the willpower to succeed at anything.

On March 12 2008 15:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
The house he robbed is close to wear i live boo.

On March 13 2008 12:21 Luddite wrote:

Wouldn't it be kinda funny though to be robbed by a starcraft player?
You'd have to say something like "wow 300 robberies per minute" or "hanna dul set OGOGO STEALING"

On March 13 2008 02:37 Masashige wrote:


Like I said, I'm going to be a little biased. I don't consider sports and progaming to be in the same (or similar) category.

On March 13 2008 16:14 KawaiiRice wrote:
He needed a place to plug in all his APM, and microing money out of his empty ATM just didn't cut it.
Ogogo: ZOMG BRUTE FORCE MANUALLY! 389416248716501924612

On March 13 2008 15:14 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:

???????

it doesnt really matter what you consider sport and progaming to be. he gave a very good example. the same type of dead end happens in every sport, especially in tennis, where you need to be around the top 150 in the world to make a living. the rest of the players have pretty much invested their lives into something they wont be able to make a career out of.

you cant just be a fucktard and refute his perfectly reasonable example by saying 'im going to be biased'.

On March 13 2008 11:23 RowdierBob wrote:


I think the game you're referring to (Grr does a lot of sexy defending with DArchons vs waves of Ultra/Ling) was vs ZergLee, not Ogogo.

On March 13 2008 17:53 Masashige wrote:

Hitting a dead end in an actual sport is not nearly as bad as hitting a dead end in a bullshit 'e-sport' like gaming. Some of you just game too much to realize my point. The fact that you guys are majorly upset about some random ass 'ex progamer' stealing like he's made somethin of himself. That's what's sad.

On March 13 2008 19:17 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:

i'd like to ask you why it isnt as bad, even though youre banned. plz make a new account and answer. you cant make dumb, opinionated statements, saying one thing is worse than another without any reasoning.

On March 13 2008 19:17 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:

i'd like to ask you why it isnt as bad, even though youre banned. plz make a new account and answer. you cant make dumb, opinionated statements, saying one thing is worse than another without any reasoning.

On March 14 2008 16:00 TeHTerraNAeriAL wrote:
See if ogogo was a toss user he could have an arbiter recall him out of jail. You wonder why there's so many toss users on iccup... FOR THIS EXACT SITUATION.

On March 14 2008 16:10 [X]Ken_D wrote:


You forget he can burrow or have an overload float him out.

On March 12 2008 16:49 Meh wrote:
A lot of good books have been written in prison, I'm sure alot of Starcraft could be played too!