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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end.
that's like saying 'pro-wrestling is a dead end' or 'being a bmx stuntman is a dead end.' it doesn't matter that careers like these don't have very practical applications outside of their circles. they're niche 'sports' and have their own fanbases with a pretty decent profit for those involved - why does it sound like you think everything outside of academia or traditional career routes are bad? do you honestly think savior is going to quit starcraft after it dies, be left with no options, and become a hopeless degenerate? a progamer already has on his resume something most people would die to have - proof of potential to succeed, proof of dedication and determination, and proof that they can survive in an intense, disciplined competitive environment.
i think you are confusing the stereotypical image of a fat wow player in a basement somewhere, sitting in his pjs ordering takeout with the sharp modern progamer. iirc the younger players still in school like flash and sea still maintain (or had, not sure if sea is still in school) top marks in their classes.
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On March 12 2008 23:27 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end. that's like saying 'pro-wrestling is a dead end' or 'being a bmx stuntman is a dead end.' it doesn't matter that careers like these don't have very practical applications outside of their circles. they're niche 'sports' and have their own fanbases with a pretty decent profit for those involved - why does it sound like you think everything outside of academia or traditional career routes are bad? do you honestly think savior is going to quit starcraft after it dies, be left with no options, and become a hopeless degenerate? a progamer already has on his resume something most people would die to have - proof of potential to succeed, proof of dedication and determination, and proof that they can survive in an intense, disciplined competitive environment. i think you are confusing the stereotypical image of a fat wow player in a basement somewhere, sitting in his pjs ordering takeout with the sharp modern progamer. iirc the younger players still in school like flash and sea still maintain (or had, not sure if sea is still in school) top marks in their classes.
I definitely agree with intrigue here. Starcraft, at least in korea, is becoming something like pro basketball (or any other game) in the other parts parts of the world. That argument is just like saying NBA players (at least the bench players) don't have anything to do after they get old or just and can't pace the young ones anymore.
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United States24805 Posts
This is getting into the discussion of how imortant it is for college athletes to take their studies seriously. If you truly make it to the nba and are an all star for 10 years, honestly, you won't need to work again as long as you don't do anything stupid. But that can get kinda boring, and for everyone else, you need to have some more long term plans. The same applies to Korean progaming in sc.... but that doesn't mean that progamers should be stereotyped, or at least not without some legitamite rather than theoretical evidence.
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I dont think its fair to compare SC pro gamers to NBA players... the difference in income is just too HUGE.
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On March 12 2008 22:43 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:40 dinmsab wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. Agreed, they make start of as addicts but once they turn pro, the fun probably starts to go away. Still, no reason to call him an idiot... I don't disagree with the fact that the fun goes away once gaming becomes your job. Doesn't change the fact that pro-gaming is a fruitless career path.
Flash is top in his class and he's also the top Terran currently in the progaming scene. He's balancing his high school career and Starcraft perfectly and he excels in both.
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On March 12 2008 22:22 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:On March 12 2008 15:38 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
When you want a camera, you want a camera. I agree. I don't. BTW were you aiming for funny or temp ban?
No he just asked for a bit of brain ^^
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On March 13 2008 00:38 Gaetele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:43 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:40 dinmsab wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. Agreed, they make start of as addicts but once they turn pro, the fun probably starts to go away. Still, no reason to call him an idiot... I don't disagree with the fact that the fun goes away once gaming becomes your job. Doesn't change the fact that pro-gaming is a fruitless career path. Flash is top in his class and he's also the top Terran currently in the progaming scene. He's balancing his high school career and Starcraft perfectly and he excels in both.
Some people are born talented, most of us arent. Even Boxer himself was once a cybercafe bum...
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end.
Well your relative is just a classic example of an addiction.
It's not necessarilly a "gamer" thing, it's just an addiction, like drugs and alcohol.
Also, in Korea, Progaming is as much of a dead-end as other sports. Perhaps not as big as the mainstream sports like soccer or golf, but ex-tennis players do end up in similar situations, where they invest so much in that career but just don't go far with it.
In fact it's like that for most sports. It's not just a "gaming thing"... it's a natural outcome for any sport.
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edit: Nah, too easy to make a cheap shot on this one.
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On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:
It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft.
I think you have no idea how different schooling is in other countries than in the US. Being the top of your class in asian countries even as early as middle school is no easy feat.
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On March 13 2008 02:21 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:
It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft. I think you have no idea how different schooling is in other countries than in the US. Being the top of your class in asian countries even as early as middle school is no easy feat.
I'm Taiwanese. I think I know a little bit ;\
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On March 13 2008 02:03 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end. Well your relative is just a classic example of an addiction. It's not necessarilly a "gamer" thing, it's just an addiction, like drugs and alcohol. Also, in Korea, Progaming is as much of a dead-end as other sports. Perhaps not as big as the mainstream sports like soccer or golf, but ex-tennis players do end up in similar situations, where they invest so much in that career but just don't go far with it. In fact it's like that for most sports. It's not just a "gaming thing"... it's a natural outcome for any sport.
Like I said, I'm going to be a little biased. I don't consider sports and progaming to be in the same (or similar) category.
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CA10835 Posts
On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:40 teamsolid wrote:On March 12 2008 22:25 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:19 Frits wrote:On March 12 2008 22:12 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:08 Manifesto7 wrote:On March 12 2008 22:06 Masashige wrote:
This is what happens to kids who replace their lives with gaming.. That's right, cause all us TL.net guys go and rip off cameras when we are not posting here. Or, perhaps the two are unrelated. It's ok to be a gamer, but kids who get too into it tend to have warped minds =/ I have a relative who's 26 who dropped out of college twice (even tho he got into a better school the second time!) and now goes to county. Plays WoW all day. Thinks everything is all good as long as his chars are godly and shit. Has not held a job yet in his life. What also sucks is that his parents are rich (one is a bank manager, the other is a CEO of a big time japanese car company *guess*). Please for the love of god stop. Playing it as a job and making money is not the same as sitting around playing wow all day like a lazy scumbag. This has nothing to do with warped minds and shit, name 1 other (ex)progamer who has done something similar. Well its not like progamers go from being highschool academic allstars to progamers. They start as addicts and finish as addicts. "Iloveoov picked up Starcraft in his last year of middle school (9th grade). Prior to that he was one of the top students in his school, placing in the top ten every time." Dumbass. It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft. you underestimate the korean school system
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I want to see a photo of him!
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On March 13 2008 02:51 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:42 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:40 teamsolid wrote:On March 12 2008 22:25 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:19 Frits wrote:On March 12 2008 22:12 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:08 Manifesto7 wrote:On March 12 2008 22:06 Masashige wrote:
This is what happens to kids who replace their lives with gaming.. That's right, cause all us TL.net guys go and rip off cameras when we are not posting here. Or, perhaps the two are unrelated. It's ok to be a gamer, but kids who get too into it tend to have warped minds =/ I have a relative who's 26 who dropped out of college twice (even tho he got into a better school the second time!) and now goes to county. Plays WoW all day. Thinks everything is all good as long as his chars are godly and shit. Has not held a job yet in his life. What also sucks is that his parents are rich (one is a bank manager, the other is a CEO of a big time japanese car company *guess*). Please for the love of god stop. Playing it as a job and making money is not the same as sitting around playing wow all day like a lazy scumbag. This has nothing to do with warped minds and shit, name 1 other (ex)progamer who has done something similar. Well its not like progamers go from being highschool academic allstars to progamers. They start as addicts and finish as addicts. "Iloveoov picked up Starcraft in his last year of middle school (9th grade). Prior to that he was one of the top students in his school, placing in the top ten every time." Dumbass. It's easy to do well in middle school. I'm pretty sure his grades plumetted once he picked up starcraft. you underestimate the korean school system
How different is it compared to the taiwanese school system?
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On March 13 2008 02:37 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2008 02:03 Live2Win wrote:On March 12 2008 22:39 Masashige wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. What I was saying in the first place is that I'm not surprised ogogo would steal. Progaming is a dead-end. Well your relative is just a classic example of an addiction. It's not necessarilly a "gamer" thing, it's just an addiction, like drugs and alcohol. Also, in Korea, Progaming is as much of a dead-end as other sports. Perhaps not as big as the mainstream sports like soccer or golf, but ex-tennis players do end up in similar situations, where they invest so much in that career but just don't go far with it. In fact it's like that for most sports. It's not just a "gaming thing"... it's a natural outcome for any sport. Like I said, I'm going to be a little biased. I don't consider sports and progaming to be in the same (or similar) category.
What are you doing on this website? It's a progaming website. Do you go on golf/basketball/soccer/hockey/football/tennis/chess/lasertag/pingpong/mahjong forums and tell everyone there that their passion is useless and a dead end? The worst part is that you chose this event to bring up your opinion on how valid progaming is as a life style. That's like news reporters blaming school shootings on cs:s or something.
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On March 12 2008 22:43 Masashige wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 22:40 dinmsab wrote:On March 12 2008 22:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
stfu masashige ?
im pretty sure there are many pro gamers who dont like this game that much anymore.. they arent addictet to it at all anymore.. They just have to play it as their WORK.
Would you call any person addictet to ''whatever they are doing as their job'' just because they are doing it always and on a daily basis ?
Idiot.. Agreed, they make start of as addicts but once they turn pro, the fun probably starts to go away. Still, no reason to call him an idiot... I don't disagree with the fact that the fun goes away once gaming becomes your job. Doesn't change the fact that pro-gaming is a fruitless career path.
The people who always opt for the best career choices from a purely long-term financial perspective are in the extreme minority. Most people compromise money so that they can have an easier, more likeable and/or more comfortable job. It's true that being an e-Sports player is quite an extreme, having a relatively low average salary considering how unstable the career is. But if the player has a passion for that career, then it'll be a fruitful experience for him. And as others have already noted, the quality of an e-Sports career is only increasing. Salaries, benefits and number of jobs are all increasing and options for a successful career switch for when a player is done competing are expanding.
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ogogo just headbutted matterazi.
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