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Hi!
Some years ago Sclegacy held a similar contest, where the goal was to reach the 200/200 population limit as fast as possible. The map was Lost Temple, the records back then were the following:
Zerg - Tessai 9:45
Terran - Beast 8:58
Protoss - l.y.forever 8:36
I've recently held a similar contest at replays.hu, this time Tau Cross was used. Probably due to map difference, all the previous records were broken:
Zerg - tA-r.skyline 9:31
Terran - Overlord[uUc] 8:48
Protoss - Overlord[uUc] 8:31
Can you beat those? The rules are the following:
-You can use any starting position on Tau Cross 1.1. Please use only this version (you can download it from here http://sc.replays.hu/maps.php?dl=398 ) to avoid eventual differences between different versions. So please no WGT or ICCUP versions.
-Use fastest speed on multiplayer. In order to avoid the computer bugging you, close the computer slot during the countdown.
-The time that counts is the one shown in the replay, when the population counter shows 200/200.
-If you managed to broke one of the records, prove it by uploading the replay. I will update this post with the current records.
Current records:
Zerg - deekin 9:31
Terran - deekin 8:45
Protoss - wonders 8:22
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Is there a way to verify the contest participants are using fastest speed rather than normal or slower? If it's just replays unless the result is something like 800 APM how would we know?
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51644 Posts
are you allowed to use oblivion?
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On December 28 2007 07:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Is there a way to verify the contest participants are using fastest speed rather than normal or slower? If it's just replays unless the result is something like 800 APM how would we know?
In the game lobby of the replay, doesnt it say "game speed" on the right side under map preview?
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On December 28 2007 07:36 GTR-2-Go wrote:
are you allowed to use oblivion?
Isn't that called hacking? 
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On December 28 2007 07:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
In the game lobby of the replay, doesnt it say "game speed" on the right side under map preview?
Yeah it does, and I believe it runs the replay at whatever speed the game was played at.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
not only that but the time counts up at a fixed rate
so a game played on slowest that looks to have lasted 10 minutes will show like 40 on the replay timer
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oh, this seems like fun! Let's get the theorycrafting going! 
I just tried with zerg, building only drones and got an embarrasing 10.54 at the first try.  Maybe you want to tech up to ultras or something to get more supply per larva? Or go drones but excecute better? What is the best method to use?
EDIT: 9.06 with protoss. 5 nexus into around 10 gateways zealots. I think it is important to get the maynards perfect.
EDIT2: I'm did two more runs with zerg and i got 10.09 and 10.12 with drones only.
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as far as i know, only drones were built...
but there were close results with ultra and muta(!) builds in this contest.
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just some pieces of advice; you can play without an opponent by creating a multiplayer game and closing the comp during countdown (you will have to press continue at the beginning tho), and don't altq as soon as you reach 200/200, as replays cut off precious fragments of a second from the game, so you might end up not reaching the limit in the replay
edit: I see it's already been mentioned in the OP, sorry
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does it matter what you mass?
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
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On December 28 2007 08:33 deekin wrote:
just some pieces of advice; you can play without an opponent by creating a multiplayer game and closing the comp during countdown (you will have to press continue at the beginning tho), and don't altq as soon as you reach 200/200, as replays cut off precious fragments of a second from the game, so you might end up not reaching the limit in the replay
edit: I see it's already been mentioned in the OP, sorry
deekin, did you use only drones, right?
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You should use only overlords.
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It doesn't matter which units you use. For zerg theoretically ultras have the best building time / supply ratio, and they were actually used by Pezsmapatkany in getting the same time as deekin (tA-r.skyline). Of course using Oblivion is out of question, I guess it was meant to be a joke.
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On December 28 2007 08:50 Overlord wrote:
Doesn't matter which units do you use. For zerg theoretically ultras have the best building time / supply ratio, and they were actually used by Pezsmapatkany in getting the same time as deekin (tA-r.skyline). Of course using Oblivion is out of question, I guess it was meant to be a joke.
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but look for your location after reading your last sentence. Before I even looked, I knew you were from that land :o
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Nvm. I read first sentence, not last.
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wo how the fuck did he manage 8:36, with toss. Best I could do was 9:20. Will keep trying though ofc ;D!
edit: an improvment of 9:12 but bleh's fast that boy!
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On December 28 2007 08:58 ilovezil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 08:50 Overlord wrote:
Doesn't matter which units do you use. For zerg theoretically ultras have the best building time / supply ratio, and they were actually used by Pezsmapatkany in getting the same time as deekin (tA-r.skyline). Of course using Oblivion is out of question, I guess it was meant to be a joke. I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but look for your location after reading your last sentence. Before I even looked, I knew you were from that land :o
Dammit, when will TL realize that we Romanians are being sarcastic when we're pretending not to get sarcasm. So the joke is actually on you! See the irony? Or are you also being sarcastic by pretending you don't know we are?
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On December 28 2007 10:42 Doctorasul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 08:58 ilovezil wrote:On December 28 2007 08:50 Overlord wrote:
Doesn't matter which units do you use. For zerg theoretically ultras have the best building time / supply ratio, and they were actually used by Pezsmapatkany in getting the same time as deekin (tA-r.skyline). Of course using Oblivion is out of question, I guess it was meant to be a joke. I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but look for your location after reading your last sentence. Before I even looked, I knew you were from that land :o Dammit, when will TL realize that we Romanians are being sarcastic when we're pretending not to get sarcasm. So the joke is actually on you! See the irony? Or are you also being sarcastic by pretending you don't know we are?
Nope, I didn't know.
EDIT: I was being sarcastic, of course.
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On December 28 2007 10:42 Doctorasul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 08:58 ilovezil wrote:On December 28 2007 08:50 Overlord wrote:
Doesn't matter which units do you use. For zerg theoretically ultras have the best building time / supply ratio, and they were actually used by Pezsmapatkany in getting the same time as deekin (tA-r.skyline). Of course using Oblivion is out of question, I guess it was meant to be a joke. I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but look for your location after reading your last sentence. Before I even looked, I knew you were from that land :o Dammit, when will TL realize that we Romanians are being sarcastic when we're pretending not to get sarcasm. So the joke is actually on you! See the irony? Or are you also being sarcastic by pretending you don't know we are?
I understand all the Romanian comments now! Life just made loads more sense
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On December 28 2007 07:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Is there a way to verify the contest participants are using fastest speed rather than normal or slower? If it's just replays unless the result is something like 800 APM how would we know?
Why would the apm matter?
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On December 28 2007 11:04 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 07:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Is there a way to verify the contest participants are using fastest speed rather than normal or slower? If it's just replays unless the result is something like 800 APM how would we know? Why would the apm matter?
If the apm was some unreachably large amount, it would most likely mean that the replay was being played at a faster speed than the game itself were played.
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I don't like doing it with drones/probes or what not simply because it has no real purpose or value in-game. I can max a 3 base Protoss army of zealots, dragoons, high templar, archons and obs in 11 minutes with upgrades, and I think that is worth more than having 200 drones at 9 minutes.
Just a comment on the whole contest I guess <<
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Noone said it has purpose in real-game situations. It's a whole different type of challenge.
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On December 28 2007 11:09 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 11:04 il0seonpurpose wrote:On December 28 2007 07:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Is there a way to verify the contest participants are using fastest speed rather than normal or slower? If it's just replays unless the result is something like 800 APM how would we know? Why would the apm matter? If the apm was some unreachably large amount, it would most likely mean that the replay was being played at a faster speed than the game itself were played.
To clarify, apm is calculated based on the length the game would be if it were played on fastest speed. A 10 minute game played at normal speed (half the speed of fastest, I think) will be counted as 5 minutes long by BWChart, etc, resulting in double the apm.
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lol i suck, 10:36 only had about 10 gates with 4 nexus'
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
9:30, 4 nexus, boy this is challenging
I'm torn between the "build gates first and then start massing" or "build gates and train at the same time".
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On December 28 2007 12:13 GrandInquisitor wrote:
9:30, 4 nexus, boy this is challenging
I'm torn between the "build gates first and then start massing" or "build gates and train at the same time".
ahaha yeah i was thinking the same thing, for a minute while my 2 gates were up i wasn't building anything
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On December 28 2007 12:13 GrandInquisitor wrote:
9:30, 4 nexus, boy this is challenging
I'm torn between the "build gates first and then start massing" or "build gates and train at the same time".
I did a chunk of time better with 5 nexus! But boy was I ever putting hundreds of apm to use...
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
damn it nony you're going to make me have to go back and try harder! fuck starcraft, every time i think i'm done a new hook reminds me of how much i like it
also looking at these replays in bwchart is so lol
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yeah 9:48 now :o thjat was with 6 nexii
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What do you think is the best strategy for terran? I tried just massing barracks and making tons of scvs and marines, which is ok since you don't need to spend time getting gas, but I would imagine larger units could use up the supply faster. Idk, I suck at this though.
EDIT: New challenge, be the fastest to mine every mineral on bgh.
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i got 8:54 with protoss first try =/ ima try again with terran this time
edit: got 9:17 with terran first try ><
got 10:03 with zerg.. wow i suck lol
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9:32 with T, gonna try a few more times tomorrow
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On December 28 2007 12:42 Lemonwalrus wrote:What do you think is the best strategy for terran? I tried just massing barracks and making tons of scvs and marines, which is ok since you don't need to spend time getting gas, but I would imagine larger units could use up the supply faster. Idk, I suck at this though. EDIT: New challenge, be the fastest to mine every mineral on bgh.
vultures
its probably a variation of getting 2 expansions and massing from 9-10 factories, in whatever order you think is best
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
I tried, and I got 10:13 with 5 facs and non stop scv and vults. It doens't work well
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
10:01 with just probes
(Someone save me~!)
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
10:23 with probes and zeals.... wtf? How did that happen? I guess cause supply got caught
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so what your saying is we cannot use lastshadows version of taucross....?
damn.
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If I close the computer slot during the countdown I get a draw as soon as the game starts.
Got 8:45 with 6 nexus then 15 gate zeal on the first try, build could use a little refinement though as my 5th and 6th nexuses were built when I had 800 minerals.
Edit: never occurred to me that I could click "continue playing".
Edit: Got 8:34 with 5 nexus then zeals, it seems to be just a bit better than 6 nexus mostly because the 6th base is so far away that the maynard time is too costly. Anyway this seems to be the limit with protoss, I tried 4 times and couldn't improve on this. It really pays to build all the pylons first, then all the gates, then the zeals, and build all zeals at once. Otherwise it's annoying searching through gates to find which of them aren't producing. Rep here:
http://download.yousendit.com/B1F502D924EE4E64
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got a 8:46 with terran, can't go below 8:33 with toss tho
edit: two more tries, 8:39 with terran
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Braavos36401 Posts
Overlord can you post your reps for the fastest times?
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what's the challenge then? everyone would just copy the BOs, hoping to get a second ahead
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8:25 with toss, with pretty much perfect execution, don't think it's humanly possible to do it any faster
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On December 28 2007 21:49 deekin wrote:
what's the challenge then? everyone would just copy the BOs, hoping to get a second ahead
what's your statement without proof for verification? i can just state some bs here and post that same excuse so here i go.
i got 8:34 with terran and i cant post reps cuz people will copy my BO
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truth is, there was the exact same contest held in the hungarian community, you can find all my replays of that competition.
uploaded the latest replays on rapidshare to avoid bloodshed clicky
please watch them only if you have completely run out of ideas, it took me quite some time to come up with the optimal builds. that doesn't mean there's no faster way of course, just that i don't know of any
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27 seconds later after making a post you post again saying you got 8:25 with toss?
We Need Replays!!
edit: how about you just give us the link to it? you really expect us to google "hungarian tournament sc bw fastest max" and find your replays?
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don't know why you're acting so hostile
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On December 28 2007 22:19 BlueRoyaL wrote:
27 seconds later after making a post you post again saying you got 8:25 with toss?
We Need Replays!!
edit: how about you just give us the link to it? you really expect us to google "hungarian tournament sc bw fastest max" and find your replays?
That are 27 minutes,
On the topic I cant beat 10 minutes mark. WTF
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sorry if i came out as hostile. but i'm just a bit skeptical about what you're saying. you have 8 posts and 6 of them were from this thread so i don't really think anyone here knows you well enough to believe what you're saying without proof.
what's the point of saying you beat the times in this contest when you're breaking the rules
"-If you managed to broke one of the records, prove it by uploading the replay. I will update this post with the current records."
i'll believe you when i see your replays. if you really have them like you said you did from the hungarian community tournament, you might as well post them. don't reply with another excuse or it'll be obvious you're faking it, or atleast that's my take on it.
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i had edited my post above, there's a link with the most recent replays. i still believe posting them to be a mistake, since people WILL copy the BOs no matter what, but as you are so impatient there you go. i first sent them to overlord so that he could check them and update the OP, but he doesn't seem to be around a computer i guess.
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The replays DO exist of course, but I thought it would be better/more fun/more productive to let people try out their own ideas first. Anyway, for the scepical ones:
Zerg http://sc.replays.hu/repek.php?repid=5545
Terran http://sc.replays.hu/repek.php?repid=5571
Protoss http://sc.replays.hu/repek.php?repid=5591
On a side note, I totally agree with deekin. I've spend several hours in finding the optimal timings for starting factories/supply depots/gateways/pylons, because that's what matters the most. As far as I can see, he used very similar timings but better execution than me (maybe I'm wrong - if yes, sorry), so if you wanna experiment and come up with the best solution on your own, don't watch the replays.
Actually, when I held the contest in the hungarian community, it had two stages for each race. In the first "secret stage", only the best times were available, but no replays. In the second "open stage" the replays of the best three times were released.
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On December 28 2007 15:00 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
so what your saying is we cannot use lastshadows version of taucross....?
damn.
Do you wanna provoke another "Romanians don't get our sophisticated sarcasm jokes" proof-comment? :D
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Why not post a screenshot from the replay, just at the point at which you hit 200/200.
Or we have to get some referees to judge this. But then again, its not like here is anything to win .
My first try was 9:20 with T with 3cc and vultures.
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lol so close yet so far =(
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Just a quick question for those of you that used/are using terran. Since you need to make a barracks anyway, are you also making marines from it the entire time, or is the money better spent on vultures? I am sure at some point the vultures would overtake the forgone minerals on the marines, but I am not sure if that would happen before or after you could reach 200/200.
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Alright I quit, I can't get less than 8:40 and it's driving me crazy.
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On December 29 2007 04:47 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Just a quick question for those of you that used/are using terran. Since you need to make a barracks anyway, are you also making marines from it the entire time, or is the money better spent on vultures? I am sure at some point the vultures would overtake the forgone minerals on the marines, but I am not sure if that would happen before or after you could reach 200/200.
I managed to beat deekin's first record (it was 8:51 iirc) by building some marines in the end, when the cash income reached that level that I could afford it.
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Beat the record with protoss! (got 8:24)
http://download.yousendit.com/AF9BCC7A08A9427B
The execution wasn't perfect and the time can still be improved.
It seems luck if you get your production just right or not, several times I've had almost perfect execution and had 197 supply at 8:20 with all gates and all nexuses producing, and at 8:27 or so when the round of zeals finally finishes I'd have 220 or so supply if the limit wasn't there.
Edit: 8:22 now
http://download.yousendit.com/B9FFAB1F01D5D3E2
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