The problem here is that he has to give explanation as to why Protoss (all Protoss players!!!) has skill issue.

Saying "skill issue" itself is not an explanation. It's already the conclusion.

It's just like me saying "Tesagi". I need to provide something to back it up. Otherwise it's worthless.

KwarK

United States39687 Posts

May 23 2023 01:50 GMT

#10

On May 23 2023 09:38 Postaljester_ wrote:
If flash goes and wins some asls as Protoss I’ll believe him. I have a hard time taking a crypto scammers opinion at face value.

Yeah, the assertion is that the more talented players all happened to pick Terran (extremely unlikely over a large sample size) and that they could have just as easily used that same talent to dominate with Protoss. And yet somehow none of them did.

If it's true then go do it.

bovienchien

Vietnam1108 Posts

May 23 2023 03:01 GMT

#11

On May 23 2023 10:26 TMNT wrote:
The problem here is that he has to give explanation as to why Protoss (all Protoss players!!!) has skill issue.

Saying "skill issue" itself is not an explanation. It's already the conclusion.

It's just like me saying "Tesagi". I need to provide something to back it up. Otherwise it's worthless.

You can't provide Tesagi is real

Flash's provided skill issue which existed from all race. (1), there's lots of Terrans Bonjwas, (2) SaviOr beat all those Terrans Bonjwas (Nada, iloveoov, Boxer), (3) Bisu beat SaviOr. From (1), (2), (3) maybe Protoss is the best race, huh?

Protoss has few champions titles, it's not they never/can't win any tournament/leagues. If Protoss players improve their skill, they will take more. You should complain Bisu, Stork, Best, Snow, Mini... than race, map, meta.

Maybe you will say I just say about some players, it's not a total picture of StarCraft for 25 years. If you want to see real StarCraft, let's look at medium level players, example D-B rank on ladder. You will see how Protoss crushed the others race or at least you will see StarCraft is the best balance game ever.

Don't just look at ASL, OSL, MSL, BSL, Proleage... it's so small compared to total picture of StarCraft. However, Terran dominates OSL, Zerg dominates MSL and Protoss dominates BSL.

Jumperer

United States1360 Posts

May 23 2023 03:27 GMT

#12

as I have said in the other thread, protoss is the easiest race and most overpowered race which drew the least skilled players. This is why they have less APM. Protoss don't win at the highest level not because their race is bad, but because the players are bad. Zerg and terran players are simply superior human beings and are built differently. If Flash was a protoss main he would've won 4 more OSLs/MSLs because protoss is the best race in the game as shown in the F-C rank ladder stats. Protoss always dominate if they are equally skilled as their opponent's race because they race is broken.

Artosis, the greatest RTS commentator/personality/streamer of all time and Flash, the greatest gamer of all time, all agree that protoss players are skillless apes. It's time to end all discussions and ban all protoss players from all tournaments. I'm going to listen to these 2 geniuses and their opinions over stupid protoss apes.

When B rank terran players switch to protoss they all become S protoss rank after 1 week. When B rank protoss players off-race at Z/T they become F rank players after a year.

Overpowered race, trash players.

TMNT

929 Posts

May 23 2023 03:33 GMT

#13

What Flash said about Protoss in this video is no more eloquent than what LUCKY NOOB wrote in his "shitty thread".

I'll wait to see if the mod closes it as well.

Kyadytim

United States844 Posts

May 23 2023 03:59 GMT

#14

On May 23 2023 10:50 KwarK wrote:

Show nested quote +

There's an alternative line of thought explaining for why all the best players picked Terran, which is that it's not random. Instead, it's because they're the strongest players that they could see that they'd be most successful by picking Terran because Terran is the strongest race.

Put another way, "No good players play Protoss," can be explained as "Good players are intentionally choosing races other than Protoss because they can see that Protoss is weak," instead of "it just so happens that the good players all chose Terran or Zerg."

Rainalcar

Croatia278 Posts

May 23 2023 04:21 GMT

#15

I am 100% certain that Flash would never be able to be as successful with P.

angry_maia

265 Posts

May 23 2023 04:28 GMT

#16

I think Bonyth drew a few graphs that just ring really true. Skill vs win-rate follows different curves for each race, and once you get to the absolute highest levels protoss starts falling off.

iFU.pauline

France1372 Posts

May 23 2023 06:59 GMT

#17

Everything about this video is perfect.

M3t4PhYzX

Poland3358 Posts

May 23 2023 07:03 GMT

#18

*yawn*

M3t4PhYzX

Poland3358 Posts

May 23 2023 07:03 GMT

#19

On May 23 2023 13:21 Rainalcar wrote:
I am 100% certain that Flash would never be able to be as successful with P.

zero doubt about that

TMNT

929 Posts

May 23 2023 08:24 GMT

#20

I would add that Flash's logic was wrong when he used Savior as an example to prove that Terran is not stronger.

Of course it's skill that helped Savior beat all those Terrans, but it could also mean that Terran is stronger but Savior was able to overcome that balance issue with his skill.

Same thing can be said for Bisu when he overcame the odds in the PvZ matchup despite Zerg being "stronger" in this matchup.

This is the same guy who downplayed Jangbi's OSL titles after losing to him.

And the whole Bonjwas argument is stupid anyway. The thing has a sample of 5 and dated back like 20 years ago. Bonjwa doesn't even mean the best player of all time. It's just they are the best during their time. 3 or 4 out of the 5 Bonjwas would get totally destroyed in modern BW.

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