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FlaSh Explains Why There is No Protoss Bonjwas

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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1534 Posts
May 22 2023 19:52 GMT
#1

TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-22 20:40:37
May 22 2023 20:03 GMT
#2
TOSIS VINDICATED

im tired of seeing skinny FlaSh vids, show us some new fat FlaSh content plz 🎣
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3208 Posts
May 22 2023 20:28 GMT
#3
Well he didn't "explain" did he? Just gave an assumption.

At least he admitted maps were shit for ZvT
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10443 Posts
May 22 2023 20:31 GMT
#4
Skill gap
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6990 Posts
May 22 2023 22:01 GMT
#5
Voldemort was different.
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1922 Posts
May 23 2023 00:36 GMT
#6
On May 23 2023 05:03 TT1 wrote:
TOSIS VINDICATED

im tired of seeing skinny FlaSh vids, show us some new fat FlaSh content plz 🎣

What new content? Flash is exiled for scamming his Korean viewers and misleading them.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
Postaljester_
Profile Joined April 2023
33 Posts
May 23 2023 00:38 GMT
#7
If flash goes and wins some asls as Protoss I’ll believe him. I have a hard time taking a crypto scammers opinion at face value.

TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10040 Posts
May 23 2023 01:02 GMT
#8
On May 23 2023 09:36 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2023 05:03 TT1 wrote:
TOSIS VINDICATED

im tired of seeing skinny FlaSh vids, show us some new fat FlaSh content plz 🎣

What new content? Flash is exiled for scamming his Korean viewers and misleading them.


🕵️ i.e: what's his ladder smurf 🕵️, we need fresh JNN content🕵️, time to start digging on YGOSU🕵️
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3208 Posts
May 23 2023 01:26 GMT
#9
The problem here is that he has to give explanation as to why Protoss (all Protoss players!!!) has skill issue.

Saying "skill issue" itself is not an explanation. It's already the conclusion.

It's just like me saying "Tesagi". I need to provide something to back it up. Otherwise it's worthless.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44020 Posts
May 23 2023 01:50 GMT
#10
On May 23 2023 09:38 Postaljester_ wrote:
If flash goes and wins some asls as Protoss I’ll believe him. I have a hard time taking a crypto scammers opinion at face value.


Yeah, the assertion is that the more talented players all happened to pick Terran (extremely unlikely over a large sample size) and that they could have just as easily used that same talent to dominate with Protoss. And yet somehow none of them did.

If it's true then go do it.
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
May 23 2023 03:01 GMT
#11
On May 23 2023 10:26 TMNT wrote:
The problem here is that he has to give explanation as to why Protoss (all Protoss players!!!) has skill issue.

Saying "skill issue" itself is not an explanation. It's already the conclusion.

It's just like me saying "Tesagi". I need to provide something to back it up. Otherwise it's worthless.

You can't provide Tesagi is real

Flash's provided skill issue which existed from all race. (1), there's lots of Terrans Bonjwas, (2) SaviOr beat all those Terrans Bonjwas (Nada, iloveoov, Boxer), (3) Bisu beat SaviOr. From (1), (2), (3) maybe Protoss is the best race, huh?

Protoss has few champions titles, it's not they never/can't win any tournament/leagues. If Protoss players improve their skill, they will take more. You should complain Bisu, Stork, Best, Snow, Mini... than race, map, meta.

Maybe you will say I just say about some players, it's not a total picture of StarCraft for 25 years. If you want to see real StarCraft, let's look at medium level players, example D-B rank on ladder. You will see how Protoss crushed the others race or at least you will see StarCraft is the best balance game ever.

Don't just look at ASL, OSL, MSL, BSL, Proleage... it's so small compared to total picture of StarCraft. However, Terran dominates OSL, Zerg dominates MSL and Protoss dominates BSL.
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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
May 23 2023 03:27 GMT
#12
--- Nuked ---
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3208 Posts
May 23 2023 03:33 GMT
#13
What Flash said about Protoss in this video is no more eloquent than what LUCKY NOOB wrote in his "shitty thread".

I'll wait to see if the mod closes it as well.
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
May 23 2023 03:59 GMT
#14
On May 23 2023 10:50 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2023 09:38 Postaljester_ wrote:
If flash goes and wins some asls as Protoss I’ll believe him. I have a hard time taking a crypto scammers opinion at face value.


Yeah, the assertion is that the more talented players all happened to pick Terran (extremely unlikely over a large sample size) and that they could have just as easily used that same talent to dominate with Protoss. And yet somehow none of them did.

If it's true then go do it.
There's an alternative line of thought explaining for why all the best players picked Terran, which is that it's not random. Instead, it's because they're the strongest players that they could see that they'd be most successful by picking Terran because Terran is the strongest race.

Put another way, "No good players play Protoss," can be explained as "Good players are intentionally choosing races other than Protoss because they can see that Protoss is weak," instead of "it just so happens that the good players all chose Terran or Zerg."
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia478 Posts
May 23 2023 04:21 GMT
#15
I am 100% certain that Flash would never be able to be as successful with P.
j.r.r.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
331 Posts
May 23 2023 04:28 GMT
#16
I think Bonyth drew a few graphs that just ring really true. Skill vs win-rate follows different curves for each race, and once you get to the absolute highest levels protoss starts falling off.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1718 Posts
May 23 2023 06:59 GMT
#17
Everything about this video is perfect.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
May 23 2023 07:03 GMT
#18
*yawn*
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
May 23 2023 07:03 GMT
#19
On May 23 2023 13:21 Rainalcar wrote:
I am 100% certain that Flash would never be able to be as successful with P.

zero doubt about that
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3208 Posts
May 23 2023 08:24 GMT
#20
I would add that Flash's logic was wrong when he used Savior as an example to prove that Terran is not stronger.

Of course it's skill that helped Savior beat all those Terrans, but it could also mean that Terran is stronger but Savior was able to overcome that balance issue with his skill.

Same thing can be said for Bisu when he overcame the odds in the PvZ matchup despite Zerg being "stronger" in this matchup.

This is the same guy who downplayed Jangbi's OSL titles after losing to him.

And the whole Bonjwas argument is stupid anyway. The thing has a sample of 5 and dated back like 20 years ago. Bonjwa doesn't even mean the best player of all time. It's just they are the best during their time. 3 or 4 out of the 5 Bonjwas would get totally destroyed in modern BW.
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