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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States906 Posts
June 08 2022 02:37 GMT
#1
I'm using a brace, but when I really focus I tend to still tighten up my right wrist (dominant hand). I've done forearm exercises, so they are in good shape, my grip strength is stronger than before, but it doesn't mean my wrist is less sore when playing.

Anyone have suggestions?
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
392 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-08 05:13:20
June 08 2022 05:11 GMT
#2
I play terran and had wrist issues for years, especially playing bio.

this mouse fixed it for me. the pinky-finger rest is a godsend and fixed the pain.



https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/peripheral/mice/mm720/



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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
June 08 2022 08:13 GMT
#3
How is your posture? Your problem is likely caused by your posture and also not being relaxed.
Rest. Breaks. Train yourself to be relaxed.

Google about proper posture: table height, chair height, arm rests. Even mouse and keyboard matter.
You want your lower arm to be about horizontal and your elbow to be somewhere around 90~110°
Get your armrest on the same level as your table or a fraction higher, keep your wrist off the table, rest your hand on your palm, keep about a tennis ball width between elbows and ur sides.

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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States906 Posts
June 13 2022 04:03 GMT
#4
On June 08 2022 17:13 Peeano wrote:
How is your posture? Your problem is likely caused by your posture and also not being relaxed.
Rest. Breaks. Train yourself to be relaxed.

Google about proper posture: table height, chair height, arm rests. Even mouse and keyboard matter.
You want your lower arm to be about horizontal and your elbow to be somewhere around 90~110°
Get your armrest on the same level as your table or a fraction higher, keep your wrist off the table, rest your hand on your palm, keep about a tennis ball width between elbows and ur sides.

+ Show Spoiler [posture example] +
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I tried to adjust to my best ability already, but I still iron grip the mouse when the game gets tense anyway

I'm looking into more ergonomic mice right now
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
June 13 2022 05:56 GMT
#5
Tankgirl is exactly my issue too. Its the pinky flying or being in a weird position that makes it hurt.

In a long game the hand gets fatigued and ends up not being accurate or moving at all.
-.-
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines530 Posts
June 13 2022 23:37 GMT
#6
most people rest the entire weight of their mouse hand around where the pisiform bone is, and pivot from there to move the mouse, try cushioning it. i've seen sc2 players use wrist-sweatbands to cushion this area, you could also double-up or triple-up mouse pads for more cushion
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16672 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-14 06:54:55
June 14 2022 06:01 GMT
#7
Find a good orthopaedic surgeon who is connected to a good physiotherapy clinic. Also , RSI is too vague. Pinpoint whether your issue is tendon, ligament, or the sheath surrounding a tendon.

Do you have tendonitis or tenosynovitis or an inflamed ligament? Any structural damage?

Stop getting amateur advice from web forums and talk to a Doctor. Get a precise diagnosis of exactly what is wrong. A decent DR is usually an excellent diagnostician. Even if you disagree with the DRs course of treatment... a super precise accurate diagnosis is your first requirement.
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-14 12:27:41
June 14 2022 11:10 GMT
#8
My RSI healed completely doing 3 things:

1) Ergonomics. Like Peeano said, ergonomics matter. I put a pillow on the back of the seat to help my back posture. I raised the height of chair so the armrests matched my desk height, and I put extra padding on my armrests.

2) Mouse Usage. I used to use a Razer mouse at 1800 dpi. I got a new mouse and larger mouse pad, and now run at 1000 dpi. I also switched my middle mouse click to one of the side buttons to reduce finger travel on the mouse.

3) Rest. You won't like this tip. My wrist got so bad I had to my mouse with my left hand only for 8 months while my right wrist healed, which meant no PC gaming was possible. And after that I used the mouse right-handed for games ONLY for a further 4 months. For desktop usage I switched back to my left hand & limited my game time to no more than 4 hours per day.

If your wrist issue is indeed major and you can't play without near-constant pain the #3 tip will be your best option.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1069 Posts
June 14 2022 13:35 GMT
#9
good advice in this thread. overall ergonomics are important. your whole body, not just your wrist / arm posture

I suffered RSI years ago. it's not a quick fix, but here are some things that helped me:

a Steelcase leather desk chair. this is a "buy-it-for-life" item. it was too expensive for me to buy brand new, but if you can get a refurbished one at a good price, get one. it's built like a tank and gives so much support. I removed the arm rests and disabled the recliner lock so that the chair is always moving with my back when I adjust

a height-adjustable desk. I built one using a Danish LINAK frame and an oak table top. this frame is specially designed for transforming into a standing desk, although it's well worth it just for making small adjustments while sitting down

correct monitor height and tilt are important. your eyes should be aligned with the center of your screen when you're sitting relaxed in your chair. also, everything the teacher told you in school is wrong. it's awful to sit upright at a 90-degree angle. you should be reclined at 130-degrees so that your hips and legs can take some of the pressure, and this also puts your arms, wrists and shoulders at the correct angle when using a mouse!

as for the mouse itself, I had problems using the old G9X mouse because it was so small in my hand. it was forcing me to grip way too tightly. I switched to a G203 which is bigger in size and naturally occupies my whole hand.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States906 Posts
June 15 2022 05:17 GMT
#10
On June 14 2022 15:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Find a good orthopaedic surgeon who is connected to a good physiotherapy clinic. Also , RSI is too vague. Pinpoint whether your issue is tendon, ligament, or the sheath surrounding a tendon.

Do you have tendonitis or tenosynovitis or an inflamed ligament? Any structural damage?

Stop getting amateur advice from web forums and talk to a Doctor. Get a precise diagnosis of exactly what is wrong. A decent DR is usually an excellent diagnostician. Even if you disagree with the DRs course of treatment... a super precise accurate diagnosis is your first requirement.



I already talked to a doctor, got X rays, I have tendonitis in the wrist, I got shockwave therapy, surgery not suggested

Anyway, I need something to prevent the issue from reoccurring since after I get any therapy using my wrist will make it flame up again
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
June 15 2022 09:07 GMT
#11
On June 15 2022 14:17 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2022 15:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Find a good orthopaedic surgeon who is connected to a good physiotherapy clinic. Also , RSI is too vague. Pinpoint whether your issue is tendon, ligament, or the sheath surrounding a tendon.

Do you have tendonitis or tenosynovitis or an inflamed ligament? Any structural damage?

Stop getting amateur advice from web forums and talk to a Doctor. Get a precise diagnosis of exactly what is wrong. A decent DR is usually an excellent diagnostician. Even if you disagree with the DRs course of treatment... a super precise accurate diagnosis is your first requirement.



I already talked to a doctor, got X rays, I have tendonitis in the wrist, I got shockwave therapy, surgery not suggested

Anyway, I need something to prevent the issue from reoccurring since after I get any therapy using my wrist will make it flame up again


Then I recommend avoiding StarCraft and any PC gaming until your wrist fully heals. Especially if you are still getting the therapies. Tendonitis doesn't go away easily and can flare up doing even light activities.

Use the mouse in your other hand like I did. It will take some adapting but IMHO it's worth it in the long run if it helps the healing process go more smoothly.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States906 Posts
June 15 2022 09:17 GMT
#12
On June 15 2022 18:07 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 14:17 iopq wrote:
On June 14 2022 15:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Find a good orthopaedic surgeon who is connected to a good physiotherapy clinic. Also , RSI is too vague. Pinpoint whether your issue is tendon, ligament, or the sheath surrounding a tendon.

Do you have tendonitis or tenosynovitis or an inflamed ligament? Any structural damage?

Stop getting amateur advice from web forums and talk to a Doctor. Get a precise diagnosis of exactly what is wrong. A decent DR is usually an excellent diagnostician. Even if you disagree with the DRs course of treatment... a super precise accurate diagnosis is your first requirement.



I already talked to a doctor, got X rays, I have tendonitis in the wrist, I got shockwave therapy, surgery not suggested

Anyway, I need something to prevent the issue from reoccurring since after I get any therapy using my wrist will make it flame up again


Then I recommend avoiding StarCraft and any PC gaming until your wrist fully heals. Especially if you are still getting the therapies. Tendonitis doesn't go away easily and can flare up doing even light activities.

Use the mouse in your other hand like I did. It will take some adapting but IMHO it's worth it in the long run if it helps the healing process go more smoothly.


I already did stop for a few months, I'm asking for advice how to prevent it from happening again, since if I go back to the exact same pattern I will get the same results
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