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On March 16 2021 06:58 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2021 06:07 poiztdsha wrote:On March 16 2021 05:47 onlystar wrote:On March 15 2021 14:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/jb6Skur.png) I find this VERY sexy! this is just such a huge present to the community for 20 years we were able to CHOICE MATCHUP untill blizzard promptly decided to fuckus over in ranked while thinking for 2 years ''investigate '' implement race picking (assholes truelly) now change race to avoid a mirror matchup finally its back we get back what was taken from us with no reasoning You are not supposed to nitpick your matchup on ladder As long as it's for mirrors only it's fine imo, people should have the option to play the game however they want. We're talking about main matchups here, a lot of non-progamer tier players (who are still competitive) main race picked matchups instead of mirrors. Having a ladder that lets them practice the game however they see fit is fair. There's no real competitive edge for dodging mirrors other than it being for personal preference (many players find mirrors stale). If anything it's harder/less practice efficient (time-wise) to learn a 2nd race.
Yeah, in my opinion (which I guess should be obvious since I came up with this in the first place  ) this is a good compromise. You're not reducing the number of matchups you have to play, just picking a different matchup you find more enjoyable for the 3rd one. And indeed, playing 2 races is likely harder than playing just 1
On March 16 2021 07:16 WombaT wrote:
What happens if two queue with a no mirror option turned on? Is a digital coin flipped to decide say in a PvP situation with two who’ve ticked to off race mirrors who plays say PvZ and who plays ZvP or what have you?
I know it existed before but I like that it’s being implemented. I think Blizz have missed a trick in not enabling at least a little race picking, many people in many games will always have one matchup they hate so much that they don’t want to ladder, so I’m unsure why they force it.
I loathe SC2 PvZ with a burning passion for a decade, I don’t see how it makes ladder less legitimate if I could play my (rather worse) Terran if I rolled a Zerg
Keep up the good work!
It is indeed a coinflip, yeah (so one player plays their main race, the other gets the alternate).
I think one of the main concerns here (and why we went with this setup rather than allowing full racepicking) is just trying to make a simple UI for choosing these things. Another big concern is having a system that doesn't limit potential matches in matchmaking (e.g. if you and your opponent both racepick every matchup, we either need to make the matchmaker more selective, or we need to deal with cases where you and your opponent have no overlap). This setup makes it fairly simple both to understand (for players) and implement (for us) so it seemed like a good middle ground of possibilities.
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On March 15 2021 10:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 09:25 Mizconout wrote:
Is this a good idea? Are you not afraid of diluting the player base between all the servers.
This is fine for enthusiasts but for the general and casual player, I can't see this being successful.
Why not contact blizzard and work with them? If you say because this isn't the blizzard of old, maybe you're the own who lacks enough passion. Food for thought.
What the fuck is with this judgmental snooty ass attitude before you even get a response? How are you, someone who probably has never contributed a single thing to BW, suddenly the arbiter of who lacks passion? Wtf? Delete this shit. It's no wonder we have so few people who consistently provide content for the community, given that they have to present it to ungrateful fucks like you.
Mizcoconout brought up a legitimate concern of the likelihood of there being a smaller player base split between a new server. I don't think it warrants cursing him out over it.
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On March 16 2021 08:33 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2021 06:58 TT1 wrote:On March 16 2021 06:07 poiztdsha wrote:On March 16 2021 05:47 onlystar wrote:On March 15 2021 14:45 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:I find this VERY sexy! this is just such a huge present to the community for 20 years we were able to CHOICE MATCHUP untill blizzard promptly decided to fuckus over in ranked while thinking for 2 years ''investigate '' implement race picking (assholes truelly) now change race to avoid a mirror matchup finally its back we get back what was taken from us with no reasoning You are not supposed to nitpick your matchup on ladder As long as it's for mirrors only it's fine imo, people should have the option to play the game however they want. We're talking about main matchups here, a lot of non-progamer tier players (who are still competitive) main race picked matchups instead of mirrors. Having a ladder that lets them practice the game however they see fit is fair. There's no real competitive edge for dodging mirrors other than it being for personal preference (many players find mirrors stale). If anything it's harder/less practice efficient (time-wise) to learn a 2nd race. Yeah, in my opinion (which I guess should be obvious since I came up with this in the first place ) this is a good compromise. You're not reducing the number of matchups you have to play, just picking a different matchup you find more enjoyable for the 3rd one. And indeed, playing 2 races is likely harder than playing just 1
Oh the good old days of grinding ICCUP with one matchup and one all-in build on map on the week all day ;D
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On March 16 2021 11:26 Optimate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 10:01 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2021 09:25 Mizconout wrote:
Is this a good idea? Are you not afraid of diluting the player base between all the servers.
This is fine for enthusiasts but for the general and casual player, I can't see this being successful.
Why not contact blizzard and work with them? If you say because this isn't the blizzard of old, maybe you're the own who lacks enough passion. Food for thought.
What the fuck is with this judgmental snooty ass attitude before you even get a response? How are you, someone who probably has never contributed a single thing to BW, suddenly the arbiter of who lacks passion? Wtf? Delete this shit. It's no wonder we have so few people who consistently provide content for the community, given that they have to present it to ungrateful fucks like you. Mizcoconout brought up a legitimate concern of the likelihood of there being a smaller player base split between a new server. I don't think it warrants cursing him out over it.
If you have any reading comprehension in your skillset you'd understand that I was referring to the comment concerning passion for the scene.
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On March 16 2021 11:26 Optimate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2021 10:01 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2021 09:25 Mizconout wrote:
Is this a good idea? Are you not afraid of diluting the player base between all the servers.
This is fine for enthusiasts but for the general and casual player, I can't see this being successful.
Why not contact blizzard and work with them? If you say because this isn't the blizzard of old, maybe you're the own who lacks enough passion. Food for thought.
What the fuck is with this judgmental snooty ass attitude before you even get a response? How are you, someone who probably has never contributed a single thing to BW, suddenly the arbiter of who lacks passion? Wtf? Delete this shit. It's no wonder we have so few people who consistently provide content for the community, given that they have to present it to ungrateful fucks like you. Mizcoconout brought up a legitimate concern of the likelihood of there being a smaller player base split between a new server. I don't think it warrants cursing him out over it.
im sorry you only existed when sc:r came out
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On March 16 2021 17:47 iouztutrgsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2021 11:26 Optimate wrote:On March 15 2021 10:01 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2021 09:25 Mizconout wrote:
Is this a good idea? Are you not afraid of diluting the player base between all the servers.
This is fine for enthusiasts but for the general and casual player, I can't see this being successful.
Why not contact blizzard and work with them? If you say because this isn't the blizzard of old, maybe you're the own who lacks enough passion. Food for thought.
What the fuck is with this judgmental snooty ass attitude before you even get a response? How are you, someone who probably has never contributed a single thing to BW, suddenly the arbiter of who lacks passion? Wtf? Delete this shit. It's no wonder we have so few people who consistently provide content for the community, given that they have to present it to ungrateful fucks like you. Mizcoconout brought up a legitimate concern of the likelihood of there being a smaller player base split between a new server. I don't think it warrants cursing him out over it. Come on, whats wrong with threatening and intimidating other user? What do you think this is? A Forum on which people post different opinions? After all, the succes of the Foreigner Brood War Scene speaks for itself! Just look at the great things coming out of Iccup! No seriously, you should be grateful: They exported the brood war pros/personalities (IdrA etc) to korea, which then turned sc2 pro. This scene truely knows its doing. Big Shoutout on my end to Liquid´Drone for quoting my post as an "Degenerate Troll PBU" Good to see that an Moderator cant tell the difference. My post sparked another discussion. I will just continue
He didnt tho? he made a fair answer
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Norway28665 Posts
I didn't ban you and I have no idea what you are talking about. To my knowledge, I've never actually banned you - maybe that's wrong though because I have no idea what your original account was. I answered your post saying that your description of 'nitpick your matchup' is an inaccurate description of what is offered by shield battery.
I have played virtually every single ladder that has existed. I played the original battle.net ladder back in 1998. I played on Kali (although no ladder there). I played maven's ladder. I played cloud ladder, later cloira. I played gamei. I played wgtour. I played pgtour. I played iccup.
I've also played a myriad of tournaments and clan leagues - not gonna mention them all, but it's a triple digit number.
All of these allowed race picking. Literally every single one. Then Starcraft:Remastered is released, blizzard implements match making - which in many ways is just what we wanted. But they removed the opportunity to race pick, despite the fact that it has always been possible in the past. Fixing it was never difficult, and among non-korean players, race-picking the way SB implements it has always been reasonably popular, but blizzard still did not implement it. I call this incompetence, in the same way I call 'insisting that people should play on fast setting despite nobody anywhere doing this' (which blizzard was still doing in 2006) incompetence.
Coming back from being a previously banned user has always been possible on this website, btw. You just have to a) sit out your original ban length, b) change your ways, because otherwise you're gonna keep doing the shit that got you banned in the first place, and possibly c) (in egregious cases) apologize and show that you're a more mature person than you used to be. I'm guessing you never did either of these - which is why this account of yours is also gonna get axed soon.
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I mean I don't really play much anymore, but the only thing I don't like about race picking is that it basically takes me back to the iCCUP days where I never got to play my favourite matchup which was TvT.
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I mean, if race picking being allowed means you never get to play tvt, then that means race picking is extremely popular.
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I don't mind race picking but I worry a bit that at my level, where there is already an overwhelming amount of protoss players, race picking would bring a percentage of terran players to play protoss, so I might end up playing TvP an even larger amount of the time. This would force me to not participate in the ladder as much, otherwise my TvT would deteriorate, and it's also not as much fun to play only one matchup most of the time.
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only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to
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On March 17 2021 01:10 9-BiT wrote:
only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to
Double Digit IQ losers as Liquid.Ret? As Eriador who posted above?? Man i'll give u the benefit of the doubt here and assume your trolling.
Otherwise: No! Some of the best and not only a few foreigners have been and still are racepickers.
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On March 17 2021 02:19 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2021 01:10 9-BiT wrote:
only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to Double Digit IQ losers as Liquid.Ret? As Eriador who posted above?? Man i'll give u the benefit of the doubt here and assume your trolling. Otherwise: No! Some of the best and not only a few foreigners have been and still are racepickers.
He is always trolling.
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On March 17 2021 02:19 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2021 01:10 9-BiT wrote:
only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to Double Digit IQ losers as Liquid.Ret? As Eriador who posted above?? Man i'll give u the benefit of the doubt here and assume your trolling. Otherwise: No! Some of the best and not only a few foreigners have been and still are racepickers.
Yes
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On March 17 2021 02:24 9-BiT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2021 02:19 Cele wrote:On March 17 2021 01:10 9-BiT wrote:
only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to Double Digit IQ losers as Liquid.Ret? As Eriador who posted above?? Man i'll give u the benefit of the doubt here and assume your trolling. Otherwise: No! Some of the best and not only a few foreigners have been and still are racepickers. Yes
So mb contribute to the thread in the future and keep your kappas to discord! Thx
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On March 17 2021 02:19 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2021 01:10 9-BiT wrote:
only double digit IQ losers racepick, i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what they're up to Double Digit IQ losers as Liquid.Ret? As Eriador who posted above?? Man i'll give u the benefit of the doubt here and assume your trolling. Otherwise: No! Some of the best and not only a few foreigners have been and still are racepickers.
On March 18 2021 00:06 jghjghghjert wrote:
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need i say more? 
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