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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 16 2007 11:53 GMT
#61
lol this shit is like the sorta shit me and my friends would argue over for hours on end back in 5th grade -__- when it was still sc vanilla or w/e.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
July 16 2007 12:06 GMT
#62
Really stupid question
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Skittled
Profile Joined July 2007
United States160 Posts
July 16 2007 12:37 GMT
#63
close thread.

so dumb... rofl. you'd see this conversation in a public channel and everyone of you would jump at the chance to rip on them.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 16 2007 16:57 GMT
#64
I think DA beats wraith. You are all forgetting about feedback. (It works with an AoE, right?)
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SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 16 2007 17:11 GMT
#65
nah feedback wont work on wraith. You have to be able to see it and once the wraith runs out of mana and becomes visible the feedback wont do enough damage and wraith will have killed it by then
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
July 16 2007 18:35 GMT
#66
I'm surprised no one has brought up the science vessel. It can kill any zerg unit, even if it's burrowed. It can kill DTs and HTs. Also, it will tie vs DA, since it can just keep EMPing the DA before the DA has enough mana to use mind control. It can also run away from most things that could kill it like dragoon, carrier, BC, etc.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
-Groove
Profile Joined July 2007
34 Posts
July 16 2007 19:02 GMT
#67
Heres a better question, what is the single most COST EFFECTIVE unit in 1v1?
For thisdoesntreallyfuckingmatter purposes, lets say 1gas = 2minerals?
Diff categories
DA is excluded
Cloaked units are excluded

Air vs Air
Air vs Ground
Ground vs Ground

-Groove
ygor
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Slovakia246 Posts
July 16 2007 19:04 GMT
#68
Following this discussion, it seems to me, that the game you are talking about must be pretty much balanced.
GodsDevil[5thF]
Profile Joined February 2006
Romania622 Posts
July 16 2007 19:09 GMT
#69
DarkArhon , mc = gg :D
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
July 16 2007 19:22 GMT
#70
On July 17 2007 04:09 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote:
DarkArhon , mc = gg :D

no, cloaked wraith kills it.
And all is illuminated.
_Grazze_
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-16 20:16:41
July 16 2007 20:16 GMT
#71
a wraith with interceptors + mc + nuke + cloak, hmm ...

Wrathierghoarcho
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-16 21:23:55
July 16 2007 21:23 GMT
#72
On July 17 2007 03:35 Luddite wrote:
I'm surprised no one has brought up the science vessel. It can kill any zerg unit, even if it's burrowed. It can kill DTs and HTs. Also, it will tie vs DA, since it can just keep EMPing the DA before the DA has enough mana to use mind control. It can also run away from most things that could kill it like dragoon, carrier, BC, etc.


DA can just use feedback to slowly kill the vessel ;O
also EMP missile travels slow and not that great range so MC would probably hit first

it's decent but for example the DA is basically beating everything it does and more, and running away isn't a great strategy if it's not super fast and can't heal/regen
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-16 21:34:45
July 16 2007 21:33 GMT
#73
On July 16 2007 13:39 CrownRoyal wrote:
it's not even a competition, a cloaked wraith wins every fight it gets in.


against a full energy templar and someone who can aim pretty okay?
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
July 16 2007 21:35 GMT
#74
Cloaked wraith ez.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 16 2007 21:44 GMT
#75
Missile Turret pwns your cloaked wraith.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23382 Posts
July 16 2007 21:44 GMT
#76
Drone like eri said.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
July 16 2007 21:53 GMT
#77
anything cloaked i guess...
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Fox
Profile Joined September 2002
United States408 Posts
July 16 2007 22:36 GMT
#78
On July 16 2007 13:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the drone can tie or beat every unit too

burrow vs all cept vessel and templar
build building vs those
;(

if you want a serious answer, without special abilities or micro im fairly confident the archon wins 1v1 vs anything, even bc.
with special abilities, dark archon beats mostly everything, with exception of wraith that has enough mana to kill it off without uncloaking.

with micro and without special abilities, carrier should beat all.


pfft you said you can build vs those two. So are we assuming that money is involved!

if that's the case probe can build shit if he can hid from that slow moving carrier. Make like cannons and stuff!
I am so fast I can see my own ear.
Luckystoops
Profile Joined May 2007
13 Posts
July 17 2007 00:37 GMT
#79
On July 16 2007 13:45 fonger wrote:
Dark archon with mind control?


=) I think he is right.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-17 00:52:46
July 17 2007 00:51 GMT
#80
Aerial vs Ground

Archon vs Battlecruiser ----- Archon
Archon vs Carrier--------- Archon
Archon vs Guardian ------- Archon
Archon vs Cloaked Wraith ----- Archon ( wraiths mana can't last long enough will get down to 50 hp / 10 on archon. the chon will shoot 5 times and seal GG)
Archon vs Sci Vessle ----- CLOSE but too bad irradiate doesnt kill a chon EMP for the GG on shield. Goes to Archon

Air vs Ground winner : Archon

Ground vs Ground

Archon vs Reaver --- Archon
Archon vs Siege tank --- Archon
Archon vs Dark Templar --- Dark Templar
Dark Templar vs HT --- 50/50 Psi storm have 4 shots.
HT vs Hydralisk --- HT
2 lings vs HT --- HT
HT vs Archon --- Archon
Ghost vs Archon --- If goes has nuke its win. If not still win.--- Ghost
Ghost vs DT --- Nuke, otherwise 25/75.
Ghost vs HT --- HT

Ground vs Ground winner: TIE: Archon/DarkTemplar

Air vs Air

BattleCruiser vs Carrier--- Battlecruiser( yamato anyone?)
BattleCruiser vs Cloaked Wraith --- 250 mana is just too much for the BC to handle, GG Wraith
Cloaked Wraith vs Carrier --- 250 mana is just too much for the Carrier, GG Wraith
Devourer vs BattleCruiser --- BattleCruiser ( yamato?)
Devourer vs Carrier --- Carrier, 8 intercepters are just too much for this zerg unit.
Scout vs BattleCruiser --- BattleCruiser, 500 HP is just too much for the slow attacking powerunit Scout... and theres yamato
Corsair vs Scout --- Scout, without its pack, corsairs are useless vs this titan
Wraith vs Scout --- Wraith, cloak is just too much
Wraith vs Corsair --- Wraith, Cloak is just too much
Wraith vs Devourer --- Cloak is just too much

Mothership vs All Air units ---- Mothership, black hole is just too imba for these m/u's.

Air vs Air Winner: Wraith


4 Champions

Archon
Archon/DarkTemplar
Wraith
MotherShip


EDIT: WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.

Dark Archon > All. Mind Control is too imba, even for the mothership to handle.



Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
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